No more Meego. Now... Tizen (?)

flamelab · 2011-09-28 13:25:40

https://www.tizen.org/
http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/28/meeg … sed-linux/

Teho · 2011-09-28 13:59:26

Moblin (2007-2009) -> MeeGo (2010-2011) -> Tizen (2012->) ...Intel's lack of vision is quite worrisome.

This is a big loss to Qt but yet another chance for truly open source mobile platform. If they have learned anything for their mistakes they should release first Tizen based phones before next summer...

Gusar · 2011-09-28 14:10:49

Teho wrote:

If they have learned anything for their mistakes

Yeah... do you think they actually have? Because I totally don't. That was literally the first thing on my mind: "They never learn..."

t4k1t · 2011-09-28 14:11:33

You forgot Maemo...

I wish they would stop renaming it and begin doing something.

Gusar · 2011-09-28 14:20:01

t4k1t wrote:

You forgot Maemo...

Maemo wasn't Intel's, it was Nokia's. But Nokia did the same screwed up lack of vision thing, that's why they're now Microsoft's ...

t4k1t · 2011-09-28 14:31:05

Maemo and Moblin were merged into Meego.

fsckd · 2011-09-29 01:44:30

Most random name ever.

theringmaster · 2011-09-29 01:49:30

This new project doesn't seem in any way, shape, or form to be related to moblin/meego. The aforementioned are true operating systems based on gtk standards and tizen is another html5 (reminds me of webos) mobile oriented os.

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Teho · 2011-09-29 07:52:51

If rumors are true, Nokia will release new Linux based OS code name Meltemi: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … lenews_wsj

It intended to replace S30/S40 on lower end phones. So... we could have one to to three new Linux based Mobile OSes next year: Tizen, Meltemi and maybe Bada (If it isn't merged with Tizen it would still be only natural for Samsung to stick on one kernel). I don't know about Firefox but they also have plans on their own mobile OS (obviosly Linux based). Then there is webOS and now that HP has new CEO who knows what might happen? It's nice that big companies put their thrust on Linux but it doesn't change the fact that this is total clusterfuck.

So... Nokia: Maemo (2003-2010) -> MeeGo (2010-2011) -> Meltemi (2012->).

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Awebb · 2011-09-29 08:35:21

As long as there is a penguin pulling the strings, I'll end up being very comfortable with sh+busybox anyway. I have moved a large quantity of daily things like file management to the terminal, as much on the tablet as on the desktop. Really, a tablet and a bluetooth keyboard... that's the kind of "netbook" I always wanted.

Those mobile OS thingies are only meant to push online application sales, they don't have our comfort in mind but our willingnes to spend money on crappy software. One good example why most mobile software sucks:

I like writing small portions of code on my tablet when I'm in the train or otherwise sitting around in idle. There are a few IDE grade text editors and some of them have line numbering. The line numbering isn't counted on every newline sign, it just numbers the lines on the display. Turn the tab and watch those numbers becoming pointless.

Yeah, we need better mobile applications. What we don't need is another platform making totally incompetent but early adopters rich to leave us users behind, with a crappy commercial package manager. So Intel, bring on the ads...

Teho · 2011-09-29 09:17:16

Awebb wrote:

Those mobile OS thingies are only meant to push online application sales, they don't have our comfort in mind but our willingnes to spend money on crappy software.

This is so true. It's quite ridiculous when people specualte new mobile platforms it always rises that they don't have engough apps to compete with Android or iOS which have over 200 000 in their repository. There are like 30 000 packages on Ubuntu that cover everything from documents and libaries to actual applications with user interfaces and you can do just about anything with it. There's no need for huge variety of apps but rather a few good ones but that obviosly conflicts with the intrest of big business. So it is nice to see high quality free and open source mobile apps popping up of which propably the best example is Plasma Active (KDE). A "small" set of powerful applications that can do almost everything their desktop counterparts can. It's still a bit of mystery what kind of role a non-HTML5-apps will have on Tizen

Leonid.I · 2011-09-30 21:07:13

My understanding is that all these smartphones are just ARM platforms. Linux runs on ARM, in fact I saw cases when people installed debian on their htc phones... inside a chroot on android. Hence, I don't think apps (or their quality) are the problem, but rather the closed drivers which preclude installation of "vanilla" linux on mobile devices... Basically, this is the lack of control: you can have an unlocked/rooted android 2.2 but there is no way you can update it to 3.1 (which you may want, because android releases sometimes greatly differ in quality).

From this perspective, and from my (mostly negative) experience with android < 3.0, I would prefer to either have an ability to install something like debian myself, or have a mature (and closed -- at least the likes of att can't deeply modify it like they do with android) platform, like blackberry os/windows mobile/ios.

ScionicSpectre · 2011-10-04 19:41:41

We have a great platform of technology without a good way to present it as a community. I think it would be prudent to look into organizing some organization like a GNU or GNOME around the concept of HIGs and a development model for mobile devices. A central project for the community to collaborate on. I'm not sure if Maemo, Meego, Moblin, or Tizen have ever been that, and depending on companies to decide when we have open software on our phones in a way we prefer (Android is questionably open- it isn't a great example of an open source platform and what it can do).

We have a lot of great designers in the community. I have an inkling that some day soon we will start to see a project emerge that can have the same force behind it as Linux and the 'desktop' did over the past 10 years. While I'm glad that we at least have Android, I think we can do better. We have a wonderful basis for a mobile OS in our platform- most of the work is done for us. The interface and applications are the most essential piece we have missing for a great smartphone OS.

I think the key is to stop relying on Samsung and Intel to dictate their vision for our community's involvement in smaller mobile devices. We can do so much better than that.

Teho · 2011-10-04 20:08:57

ScionicSpectre wrote:

I think the key is to stop relying on Samsung and Intel to dictate their vision for our community's involvement in smaller mobile devices. We can do so much better than that.

I think that the recently announced project mer is just about that:

Mer aims to be an open, inclusive, meritocratically governed and openly developed Core optimized for HTML5/QML/JS, providing a mobile-optimised base distribution for use by device manufacturers. The Core is based upon the work from the MeeGo project and hopefully, over time, to be sharing effort together with the Tizen project.
We have some clear goals:
To be openly developed and governed as a meritocracy
That the primary customers of the platform are device vendors - not end-users.
To have a device manufacturer oriented structure, processes and tools: make life easy for them
To provide a device oriented architecture
To be inclusive of technologies (such as MeeGo/Tizen/Qt/EFL/HTML5)
To innovate in the mobile OS space

More info:
http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego- … 84215.html
http://blog.rburchell.com/2011/10/meego … n-and.html
http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/where_is_the_ … in_mobile/
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/10/meegonext.html
Forum talk:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=32654
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78462

If mer is about the core then Plasma Active is perfect example of UX. The first stable release is 5 days away. It's not distant future, it's "now". Now we only need proper hardware support and we are good to go (at least video drivers are closed and I if I have understood correctly it's not exactly trivia task for community ports to use them)

karol · 2012-01-16 11:51:19

Looks like bada will be merged with Tizen http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/ … 13597.html

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