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#1 2006-09-19 10:21:21

brain0
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New ISOs for i686

There are tons of known problems with the i686 0.7.2 installer. Most of them are related to hardware trouble, because the installer didn't have any real hardware detection.

tpowa has recently put some work into archboot and mkbootcd and created new isos. These use udev for autodetection, contain more tools than the original install cd, can also be used as a rescue disc for your system and have more up-to-date packages.
They also reflect some changes in the install script and afaik already use mkinitcpio by default instead of mkinitrd.

I've been recommending these to almost everyone on IRC for quite a while and they solve most of the problems of the 0.7.2 (and older) installer. As far as I know, the official x86_64 0.7.2 installer already uses the archboot-based CDs.

These isos have not yet been officially announced, but I still recommend to everyone using them instead of the official 0.7.2 CD, you will run into much less trouble. Download them at http://www.archlinux.org/~tpowa/newisos/

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#2 2006-09-21 03:12:33

once
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Re: New ISOs for i686

just one asking...

why not madwifi include? is any GPL cares? ubuntu does.

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#3 2006-09-21 09:47:34

Romashka
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Re: New ISOs for i686

IMHO these ISOs should be released as 0.7.3.
AFAIK X.X.x versioning was made exactly for this situation.

Of course, initscripts and filesystem packages should be modified.


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#4 2006-09-21 15:14:47

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Re: New ISOs for i686

Romashka wrote:

IMHO these ISOs should be released as 0.7.3.
AFAIK X.X.x versioning was made exactly for this situation.

Of course, initscripts and filesystem packages should be modified.

Well, I think they're waiting for kernel 2.6.18 to be in current with initcpio (and no more initrd/initramfs). It's a big change too.

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#5 2006-09-22 16:08:17

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Re: New ISOs for i686

I've tried the ftp iso for installing arch in a vm , and it does seem to be faster and working better.

I also like that the default GRUB menu.lst has both the normal and fallback mkinitcpio already in place.


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#6 2006-09-26 23:55:19

damjan
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Re: New ISOs for i686

A question..

Except for the partitioning and the creation of the filesystems... can the rest of an ArchLinux installation be made with pacman alone?
Or there is some other special setup that the installer does?

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#7 2006-09-27 07:48:32

brain0
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Re: New ISOs for i686

damjan wrote:

A question..

Except for the partitioning and the creation of the filesystems... can the rest of an ArchLinux installation be made with pacman alone?
Or there is some other special setup that the installer does?

You are right, the installer does not do much. It creates filesystems and uses pacman to install a base system.

It helps you further with these: It asks you to edit some important configuration files, installs a kernel, creates a sane grub configuration file and installs grub. I think that is all.

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#8 2006-09-29 13:55:21

tier
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Re: New ISOs for i686

Unfortunately, I even havn't manage to boot from current-0.7.2-20060927-i686.iso nor from ftp-0.7.2-20060927-i686.iso. It hangs while Isolinux loading. I tried different media - they all are OK but not boots.
I use Dell Latitude D400 laptop with external USB DVD-RW drive.

Official 0.7.2 ISO boots well but installer could not determine my DVD-Rom while chosing the installation source. Thus I had to try this new ISOs.

What can I do to resolve the problem?

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#9 2006-09-30 07:14:44

tpowa
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Re: New ISOs for i686

for boot try the ftp iso is enough the base and current iso only have the packages included, the boot process on them is all the same.
where does it exatcly hang?
any messages shown on screen?
i have no external drive so i can't test that

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#10 2006-10-01 13:13:57

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Re: New ISOs for i686

It sounds like tier might be having the same problem with the new 0.7.2 iso's as I just had.  I tried the base and ftp installs - and all threw the same error on boot:

isolinux: disk error 20, AX=42F3, drive EF.  Boot failed.  Press a key to retry.

I do not have an external drive -  this is on a pretty standard desktop machine.  I ended up just doing an ftp install with an old 0.7.1 disk I had laying around.  I found this post from 2004 regarding the 0.6 install with the same problem: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=6400  It was resolved by a bios downgrade.

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#11 2006-10-01 15:01:38

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Re: New ISOs for i686

i do get isolinux: disk error 20, AX=42F3, drive EF. Boot failed. Press a key to retry. too :-/


but i dont feel like downgradeing my bios smile
i just hope you guys can make this iso work soon smile


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#12 2006-10-01 15:04:23

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Re: New ISOs for i686

question to you guys, how new/old are those pcs?
does it load anything or fail immediatly?
does it load the kernel at least and then fail at initrd?

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#13 2006-10-01 15:06:27

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Re: New ISOs for i686

does it load anything or fail immediatly? YES
does it load the kernel at least and then fail at initrd? NO


Happy to The Arch Dev Team!!!!!!!! big_smile


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#14 2006-10-01 15:08:36

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Re: New ISOs for i686

if it doesn't start loading anything it sounds to me more like a isolinux/bios bug

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#15 2006-10-01 15:10:55

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Re: New ISOs for i686

But the http://www.archlinux.org/download/ from linux smile my PC is from year 2000 if you like to know more about my PC i can post a list with mainbord and stuff


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#16 2006-10-01 15:17:03

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Re: New ISOs for i686

do yousee the boot screen or does even this fail?
if also this fails i would blame it on bios in combination with isolinux or media is crap

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#17 2006-10-01 15:20:14

entvex
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Re: New ISOs for i686

yeah i see some kinda boot scren but its like only a messges saying boot

isolinux: disk error 20, AX=42F3, drive EF. Boot failed. Press a key to retry.

if you can call that a boot scren if you like to a can try brun a new cd but i dont think its the cd because one of my mates is getting the same error


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#18 2006-10-01 15:20:37

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#19 2006-10-01 15:26:04

webmaniac
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Re: New ISOs for i686

tpowa wrote:

if it doesn't start loading anything it sounds to me more like a isolinux/bios bug

it can't be a bios bug cause my pc i under 2 year, and have a updatede bios from year 2006 and iam getting the same error as everyone elese does ..

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#20 2006-10-01 15:26:26

tpowa
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Re: New ISOs for i686

ok just found that in a recent changelog of syslinux tools:
    * ISOLINUX: Fix bug which made "cd boot sectors" not work.
well i'll update isos soon then please try again smile

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#21 2006-10-01 15:29:24

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Re: New ISOs for i686

nice! mate!!!! please say when its up2date i wanna install arch now ;D


happy to help the arch dev team smile


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#22 2006-10-01 16:55:56

tpowa
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Re: New ISOs for i686

sigh after updatein isolinux binary i now discovered the error in old isos,
the boot.msg file was empty hmm this causes isolinux immediatly to stop.
expect new isos now really soon smile

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#23 2006-10-01 17:19:05

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Re: New ISOs for i686

Sounds good!! smile


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#24 2006-10-01 17:24:25

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Re: New ISOs for i686

Wooohoooo, good news! smile
I'd love to see more up2date isos too. Althogh my arch will stay a while of course, but new users should get a good feeling also with the install.

cheers,
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#25 2006-10-01 17:45:42

tpowa
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Re: New ISOs for i686

to see all the changes i have done read the readme.txt, i hope you like the changes i have done to the old setup.

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