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#1 2023-11-09 13:57:09

hully
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Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

Why the wiki Installation guide do not mention archinstall?

I know it from Phoronix.

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#2 2023-11-09 14:05:01

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Re: Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

hully wrote:

Why the wiki Installation guide do not mention archinstall?

Why should it.  They are alternative approaches.  There are pages that link to both the installation guide and archinstall information so a reader could choose one or the other.

hully wrote:

I know it from Phoronix.

Generally this would indicate that something is either false, or grossly mischaracterized to the point of being pretty much false.  I guess this is an exception, as archinstall does indeed exist.  Though I suspect most of what phoronix would say about it is incorrect.


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#3 2023-11-09 14:31:53

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Re: Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

This has been already discussed but archinstall (like systemd-firstboot) is considered too specific to be included in the page.


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#4 2023-11-09 14:34:53

hully
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Re: Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

Why should it.  They are alternative approaches.  There are pages that link to both the installation guide and archinstall information so a reader could choose one or the other.

But a new user would go to archlinux.org, click on "Download", and then click on "Installation Guide".

He will be redirected  to the Installation guide wiki page.

With no mention of archinstall.

How the new user knows about archinstall?

Generally this would indicate that something is either false, or grossly mischaracterized to the point of being pretty much false.  I guess this is an exception, as archinstall does indeed exist.  Though I suspect most of what phoronix would say about it is incorrect.

I don't understand what is false or mischaracterized.

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#5 2023-11-09 14:44:30

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Re: Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

New users shouldn't use archinstall.


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#6 2023-11-09 14:47:31

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Re: Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

hully wrote:

How the new user knows about archinstall?

Archinstall is listed in Category:Installation process and the FAQ, which are respectively the third and fourth links in the installation guide.

WorMzy wrote:

New users shouldn't use archinstall.

To be completely fair, an exception would be if they have enough experience or time to do their research to understand each and every choice the installer will give them.

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#7 2023-11-09 15:07:33

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Re: Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

Erus_Iluvatar wrote:

an exception would be if they have enough experience or time to do their research to understand each and every choice the installer will give them.

At which point they're not gonna use archinstall for a single-system installation.

WorMzy wrote:

New users shouldn't use archinstall.

Ahemm… wink

I don't understand what is false or mischaracterized.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Arch-Linu … nstall-2.6

Archinstall 2.6 Released For Latest Easy-To-Use Arch Linux Installer

archinstall is not an "Easy-To-Use Arch Linux Installer"

The shouldland wiki wrote:

Note:
On the installation iso you might stumble over an "archinstall" binary.
In stark contrast to its suggestive name, it is NOT meant to be used by you to install archlinux on your individual system, but a framework to script your own local mass deployment.

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#8 2023-11-09 15:43:29

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Re: Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

hully wrote:

I don't understand what is false or mischaracterized.

I was referring to the source in general as being unreliable and the web equivalent of a tabloid.


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#9 2023-11-09 17:06:30

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Re: Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

WorMzy wrote:

New users shouldn't use archinstall.

One reason I remember archinstall's inception was justified with was that it increases accessibility and thus benefits handicapped users.
Do you think they are not handycapped on their first install for some reason? :-D


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#10 2023-11-09 17:14:25

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Re: Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

The installation guide explicitly links to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Instal … ty_options .

Are you sure new handicapped users are better off trying archinstall ?


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#11 2023-11-09 17:17:55

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Re: Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

Lone_Wolf wrote:

Are you sure new handicapped users are better off trying archinstall ?

Why would I be *sure* of something I did not even claim.
I recited the reasoning of a particular developer.
At any rate, I wouldn't know, since I am not currently affected by a handicap.


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#12 2023-11-09 17:19:31

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Re: Installation guide makes no mention of archinstall

(edit: cross posted with the above)

I think / hope schard was joking.  In some of the debates of the value of the automated installer, it was claimed that the automated installer somehow increased accessibility for people with disabilities (a claim I called out as bullshit).

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