Slow, buggy arch.

Toni.69 · 2024-08-27 01:22:15

Hello arch, this is the second post ive made to this sub, and the only one with a 'working' arch install.

I have a very good computer, and see no reason why this should happen. i know very, very little about arch.
If i knew what to look for, I would. If you need specific outputs or whatnot in a certain way, let me know how and I can get any information yall need to yous.

appreciate it!

Head_on_a_Stick · 2024-08-27 06:12:29

Is this a wind up?

Yous can post some actual bugs & benchmarks if yous is serious. D00d.

seth · 2024-08-27 07:39:00

Please don't paraphrase, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=57855
"good computer" and "slow, buggy" have no information value whatsoever. Less adjectives, more numbers, context, symptoms, …

However and wrt https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=295092 something seems *seriously* wrong with your entire installation.
For starters, post your complete system journal for the boot:

sudo journalctl -b | curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st

Toni.69 · 2024-08-28 21:51:37

seth wrote:

However and wrt https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=295092 something seems *seriously* wrong with your entire installation.

Well, I forgot i actually redid the install and got it to work better. this is a DIFFERENT INSTALL than the one you linked. i need to retire that post. What does wrt mean?

seth wrote:

For starters, post your complete system journal for the boot:
sudo journalctl -b | curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st

0x0.st/Xt5X.txt

seth wrote:

Please don't paraphrase, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=57855
"good computer" and "slow, buggy" have no information value whatsoever. Less adjectives, more numbers, context, symptoms, …

Understood, thank you.

Edit: not going to bump, adding symptoms and numbers and such in edit.

symptoms: common (near full, excluding mouse) freezing, KDE plasma, Firefox, Konsole, any other process becomes visually frozen, inputs seem to register. unsure if the keystrokes that register are queued in some way, or if its ONLY visually frozen and everything is going on in real time.

http://0x0.st/Xt5_.txt

Last edited by Toni.69 (2024-08-28 22:33:14)

seth · 2024-08-28 22:26:34

With regards to wrt: Wurlitzer.

Understood, thank you.

Still doesn't quantify anything.

Well, I forgot i actually redid the install and got it to work better. this is a DIFFERENT INSTALL than the one you linked.

Jul 08 16:49:42 overlord2 kernel: Linux version 6.9.4-arch1-1 (linux@archlinux) (gcc (GCC) 14.1.1 20240522, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.42.0) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed, 12 Jun 2024 20:17:17 +0000

The journal shows a boot that has been up for almost 2 months?
And you only just responded on the other thread?

Aug 27 01:26:20 overlord2 steam[11216]: x86_64-linux-gnu-capsule-capture-libs: warning: Dependencies of /usr/lib/libvulkan_radeon.so not found, ignoring: Missing dependencies: Could not find "libLLVM-17.so" in LD_LIBRARY_PATH "/home/toni/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32:/home/toni/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/panorama:/usr/lib32:/usr/lib/libfakeroot:/usr/lib", ld.so.cache, DT_RUNPATH or fallback /lib:/usr/lib

pacman -Qs vulkan llvm-libs

I have a very good computer

Jul 08 16:49:42 overlord2 kernel: smpboot: CPU0: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core Processor (family: 0x17, model: 0x8, stepping: 0x2)
Jul 08 16:51:50 overlord2 kwin_x11[1123]: OpenGL renderer string:                 AMD Radeon RX 6600 (radeonsi, navi23, LLVM 17.0.6, DRM 3.57, 6.9.4-arch1-1)

Next to the missing/broken vulkan installation: does the problem depend on the output configuration (amount of monitors/resolution) or the KWin compositor (SHIFT+alt+F12 toggles it)?

Edit: your system is most likely CPU limited, check whether you're running into full CPU usage when it's "slow" or "buggy".

Last edited by seth (2024-08-28 22:27:34)

Toni.69 · 2024-08-28 22:34:28

sorry I was editing the post to include everything you asked while trying not to bump

Toni.69 · 2024-08-28 23:03:35

seth wrote:

Still doesn't quantify anything.

Sorry, I was editing the first post to include it but it didnt commit so I'm rewriting as a reply.

seth wrote:

And you only just responded on the other thread?

I lost motivation for a while and forgot this is a new install, my apologies.

seth wrote:

I have a very good computer
Jul 08 16:49:42 overlord2 kernel: smpboot: CPU0: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core Processor (family: 0x17, model: 0x8, stepping: 0x2)
Jul 08 16:51:50 overlord2 kwin_x11[1123]: OpenGL renderer string:                 AMD Radeon RX 6600 (radeonsi, navi23, LLVM 17.0.6, DRM 3.57, 6.9.4-arch1-1)
My computer is very good for everything I need it to do. it's not top of the line but there shouldn't be issues with opening firefox or seemingly any program freezing.
seth wrote:
Next to the missing/broken vulkan installation: does the problem depend on the output configuration (amount of monitors/resolution) or the KWin compositor (SHIFT+alt+F12 toggles it)?
Edit: your system is most likely CPU limited, check whether you're running into full CPU usage when it's "slow" or "buggy".

sysmon shows me hovering at around 8 percent with jumps up to(The jumps have a max of) 25~ every 20~ seconds.

symptoms, programs that are relatively lightweight like firefox, system monitor, lutris, and even the start menu take up to tens of seconds to load. going between menus, or opening tabs in software like SysMon and Konsole and firefox also takes way long. websites also take a very long time to load, and I don't have this issue on any other OS on this pc.

If you need benchmarks, please direct me to a post on how i can get those ran.

seth · 2024-08-29 06:25:50

programs that are relatively lightweight like firefox

I don't have this issue on any other OS on this pc

3rd link below. Mandatory.
Disable it (it's NOT the BIOS setting!) and reboot windows and linux twice for voodo reasons.

seth wrote:

Next to the missing/broken vulkan installation: does the problem depend on the output configuration (amount of monitors/resolution) or the KWin compositor (SHIFT+alt+F12 toggles it)?

Also try running an openbox or icewm session and post your Xorg log, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#General

Edit: how are you playing any steam games on that system???
Unless you've been exaggerating for drama points, I don't think this is some hardware limitation if the CPU is idling.
However, check "top" whether that's actually true and "8-25% doesn't just mean that 1-4 cores are permanently maxed out.

Last edited by seth (2024-08-29 06:30:53)

Toni.69 · 2024-08-29 14:20:56

seth wrote:

Edit: how are you playing any steam games on that system???

Games like WOW Classic also have issues, but those run through lutris, so I'm not sure if that's included in "games" general.
Games take so long to start, and don't get the usage im used to on windows, so i honestly don't play games on my desktop . they run, but it takes way to long to start, even the launcher programs like steam.

is there another reason why you're asking how I play games on my install?

Unless you've been exaggerating for drama points, I don't think this is some hardware limitation if the CPU is idling.
However, check "top" whether that's actually true and "8-25% doesn't just mean that 1-4 cores are permanently maxed out.

Where do I check my top usage? The cores are NOT constantly maxed out. I can play steam games, but loadup times are DREADFULLY slow.
My boot is also very slow. takes about 5 minutes for me to get into my login gui. 5 minutes for my pc to actually turn off. it might be because of my drives being mounted weird but im not really sure where to check for any errors.

Last edited by Toni.69 (2024-08-30 01:01:00)

seth · 2024-08-29 15:32:28

You type "top" in an interactive shell.

But w/ the other symptoms, I'd almost say it's an IO issue - except there's no trace of that ni the journal.

is there another reason why you're asking how I play games on my install?

Because you said it's takes like 10 seconds to just show the plasma launcher and there#s a lot of steam stuff in the journal - if the system is so sluggish for basic tasks one would expect that starting superturboturkeypuncher³ takes half a day.

seth, multiple times wrote:

Next to the missing/broken vulkan installation: does the problem depend on the output configuration (amount of monitors/resolution) or the KWin compositor (SHIFT+alt+F12 toggles it)?

Toni.69 · 2024-09-11 02:50:38

seth wrote:

You type "top" in an interactive shell.

top - 01:02:36 up 52 days,  8:13,  1 user,  load average: 4.73, 7.69, 6.34
Tasks: 381 total,   3 running, 378 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s):  7.8 us,  3.1 sy,  6.7 ni, 79.0 id,  1.7 wa,  0.8 hi,  1.0 si,  0.0 st 
MiB Mem :  32010.6 total,   1453.7 free,   7346.4 used,  23932.0 buff/cache     
MiB Swap:  40960.0 total,  40956.7 free,      3.3 used.  24664.2 avail Mem

one would expect that starting superturboturkeypuncher³ takes half a day.

yeah, games boot. my thinking is that theres some delay in the visuals for the system, but in some ways it seems also like some sort of nonvisual freezing, eg. tabs taking a while to load, images loading slowly on YouTube.

seth, hopefully for the last time wrote:

Next to the missing/broken vulkan installation: does the problem depend on the output configuration (amount of monitors/resolution) or the KWin compositor (SHIFT+alt+F12 toggles it)?

sorry, I'm not sure what exactly you mean here, what exactly do you need me to do for you here to get you the information?

also, I ran

pacman -Qs vulkan llvm-libs

nothing came up.

seth · 2024-09-11 06:33:36

what exactly do you need me to do for you here to get you the information?

Remove all but one monitor and press Shift+Alt+F12 to disable transparency and shadows (the compsitor)

D'ohh - sorry.

pacman -Qs 'vulkan|llvm-libs'

eg. tabs taking a while to load, images loading slowly on YouTube.

Network issue?
Get ABBS - there's a simple speedtest in that script.

Toni.69 · 2024-10-11 00:59:22

seth wrote:

Remove all but one monitor and press Shift+Alt+F12 to disable transparency and shadows (the compsitor)

This made notification windows and all kde stuff load faster, and i believe other programs are also running smoother.

seth wrote:

pacman -Qs 'vulkan|llvm-libs'

local/goverlay 1.2-1
    A GUI to help manage Vulkan/OpenGL overlays
local/lib32-llvm-libs 18.1.8-1
    LLVM runtime libraries (32-bit)
local/lib32-vulkan-icd-loader 1.3.279-1
    Vulkan Installable Client Driver (ICD) Loader (32-bit)
local/lib32-vulkan-radeon 1:24.2.1-1
    Open-source Vulkan driver for AMD GPUs - 32-bit
local/llvm-libs 18.1.8-4
    LLVM runtime libraries
local/mangohud 0.7.2-1
    A Vulkan overlay layer for monitoring FPS, temperatures, CPU/GPU load and more.
local/qt6-shadertools 6.7.2-1 (qt6)
    Provides functionality for the shader pipeline that allows Qt Quick to operate on Vulkan, Metal, and
    Direct3D, in addition to OpenGL
local/spirv-tools 2024.2-1 (vulkan-devel)
    API and commands for processing SPIR-V modules
local/vulkan-headers 1:1.3.285-1 (vulkan-devel)
    Vulkan header files
local/vulkan-icd-loader 1.3.285-1
    Vulkan Installable Client Driver (ICD) Loader
local/vulkan-radeon 1:24.2.1-1
    Open-source Vulkan driver for AMD GPUs
local/vulkan-tools 1.3.269-1 (vulkan-devel)
    Vulkan Utilities and Tools

cryptearth · 2024-10-11 04:20:41

Toni.69 wrote:

top - 01:02:36 up 52 days,  8:13,  1 user,  load average: 4.73, 7.69, 6.34
Tasks: 381 total,   3 running, 378 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s):  7.8 us,  3.1 sy,  6.7 ni, 79.0 id,  1.7 wa,  0.8 hi,  1.0 si,  0.0 st 
MiB Mem :  32010.6 total,   1453.7 free,   7346.4 used,  23932.0 buff/cache     
MiB Swap:  40960.0 total,  40956.7 free,      3.3 used.  24664.2 avail Mem

*cough*
52 days uptime
avg load over 50%
almost full ram

i hope this was during sone heavy workload - otherwiee: what the hell?

first:
run a pacman -Syu system update and do a full reboot

"very good computer"
r5 2600
rx 6600

uhm - I have a r5 5600 with a rx 7700xt - and only see it as "well, hadn't more money"
but I would call neither system "good" - let alone "very"

maybe arch isn't the best choice for you as a limux novice - there're others that might fit you better and which should yeld you better out of the box experience
if you want to stick to arch there's a steep learning curve you have to get through - "I lost interest" doesn't go along well with vanilla arch

jl2 · 2024-10-11 07:33:17

Have you tried rebooting? even on linux this helps for unidentifiable stuff like this. It has been hinted some times, but you didn't seem to get it.

You have 12 threads, 32 gigs of ram, a OK gpu ... arch *should* run more than easily on that. even gaming (maybe not at max graphics settings) more or less OK. It isn't a "very good PC", it's a budget build, but why you all roasting him so much for that?

Last edited by jl2 (2024-10-11 07:34:10)

seth · 2024-10-11 08:08:03

This made notification windows and all kde stuff load faster, and i believe other programs are also running smoother.

seth wrote:

Also try running an openbox or icewm session and post your Xorg log, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#General

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Slow, buggy arch.

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