Not a single package manager GUI?

jaideep_jdof · 2007-11-25 11:28:48

There is not a single package manager GUI for archlinux. The one provided in community repo jacman is quite unstable and the gtkpacman in aur can even search packages.

How about porting http://www.packagekit.org/index.html to archlinux.

Allan · 2007-11-25 11:39:15

I think someone is working on the pacman backend for that. Anyway, there will probably never be an official package manager GUI in Arch - its just not the Arch Way (TM).

baze · 2007-11-25 12:47:10

yep, someone started an alpm backend a while ago, but there i think only 3 things from the packagekit list have been implemented. it's even listed on their website somewhere.

jaideep_jdof · 2007-11-25 13:02:10

Allan wrote:

I think someone is working on the pacman backend for that. Anyway, there will probably never be an official package manager GUI in Arch - its just not the Arch Way (TM).

I know this is not the arch way, but its not that every person using archlinux believes in this principle. Its evident from the existence of projects like jacman and gtkpacman.

Allan · 2007-11-25 13:12:09

BTW - Jacman is supposed to be being updated soon - I saw a recent post on the forum by the author.

Ramses de Norre · 2007-11-25 13:16:28

jaideep_jdof wrote:

Allan wrote:
I think someone is working on the pacman backend for that. Anyway, there will probably never be an official package manager GUI in Arch - its just not the Arch Way (TM).
I know this is not the arch way, but its not that every person using archlinux believes in this principle. Its evident from the existence of projects like jacman and gtkpacman.

But if you use arch, you will have to cope with the vision of its developers... You are free to implement a GUI frontend to pacman, but it wont be the official package manager...

Phrodo_00 · 2007-11-25 17:14:40

also.... there are serious intentions of a packagekit alpm backend

phrakture · 2007-11-26 17:08:35

Phrodo_00 wrote:

also.... there are serious intentions of a packagekit alpm backend

o.O by who?

Cerebral · 2007-11-26 17:26:21

phrakture wrote:

Phrodo_00 wrote:
also.... there are serious intentions of a packagekit alpm backend
o.O by who?

I repeat this question. I was interested when I first heard about PackageKit, but I got much less interested after researching it a bit and being on their mailing list for a while. Regardless, my brief interest in the project doesn't constitute any official move by Arch.

dolby · 2007-11-26 17:26:52

IIRC nesl when he was a TU had told about doing so along with Dusty(?)

s/Dusty/Cerebral

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oliwer · 2007-11-27 09:15:34

Don't forget the frugalpkg port for ArchLinux ! It works great > http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=36696

nDray · 2007-11-27 09:30:48

console pacman is as easy/simple/fast as it could be. Browsing packages is a bit more confusing than it would with a graphical interface but, in last case, there is http://www.archlinux.org/packages/

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PJ · 2007-11-27 10:46:56

I haven't tried it yet but YAPG (Yet Another Pacman Gui) looks promising by the screenshots.

Phrodo_00 · 2007-11-27 12:53:17

Cerebral wrote:

phrakture wrote:
o.O by who?
I repeat this question. I was interested when I first heard about PackageKit, but I got much less interested after researching it a bit and being on their mailing list for a while. Regardless, my brief interest in the project doesn't constitute any official move by Arch.

yes I was thinking about you and the couple of packagekit topics that have appeared... and not thinking as seroius intentions from arch, but from, you know, some guy, you seemed pretty decided in that post, looks like I was wrong then... anyway, now that I know you aren't really interested and I'm starting vacation at university (and starting to work in a job if I can find one) I might aswell start taking a look at libalpm (why is it called like that?) and packagekit and see if I come out with something.

EDIT: however, some other guy nicknamed tradiaz said he was going to do it, not a lot about him has been heard though.

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shining · 2007-11-27 13:17:56

Phrodo_00 wrote:

yes I was thinking about you and the couple of packagekit topics that have appeared... and not thinking as seroius intentions from arch, but from, you know, some guy, you seemed pretty decided in that post, looks like I was wrong then... anyway, now that I know you aren't really interested and I'm starting vacation at university (and starting to work in a job if I can find one) I might aswell start taking a look at libalpm (why is it called like that?) and packagekit and see if I come out with something.

From http://www.archlinux.org/pacman/ :

As of version 3.0, pacman has been lib-ified, with a backend library named 'libalpm' (Arch Linux Package Management). Speed in some cases has been improved, and this should allow us in the future to speed development of alternative front ends.

EDIT: however, some other guy nicknamed tradiaz said he was going to do it, not a lot about him has been heard though.

There are two recent commits from him, you can see them in gitweb for example :
http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=packagekit.git
(look for alpm and the date of today)

But it looks far from complete if the table on the faq is uptodate:
http://www.packagekit.org/pk-faq.html

dolby · 2007-11-27 13:19:22

PJ wrote:

I haven't tried it yet but YAPG (Yet Another Pacman Gui) looks promising by the screenshots.

yet another pacman gui when there is none sounds like a dumb name. ppl need to be more imaginative
btw its in AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?d … 1&ID=11557

shining · 2007-11-27 13:27:13

Besides PackageKit, another decent idea might be to port the frugalware package manager.
Schpariel has apparently been working on it :
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … 63#p293563

PJ · 2007-11-27 14:09:10

Do anyone know what happend to Maelstrom and WhirlWind? I am not really a fan of .NET/Mono but WhirlWind looked like a nice GUI package manager (screenshots have been dead for a while now).
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=35368

shining · 2007-11-27 14:19:29

PJ wrote:

Do anyone know what happend to Maelstrom and WhirlWind? I am not really a fan of .NET/Mono but WhirlWind looked like a nice GUI package manager (screenshots have been dead for a while now).
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=35368

No, but why don't you ask him? Try sending him a mail :
http://www.archlinux.org/pipermail/pacm … 08979.html

PJ · 2007-11-27 14:23:51

shining wrote:

No, but why don't you ask him? Try sending him a mail :
http://www.archlinux.org/pipermail/pacm … 08979.html

I guess I could do that, but that will be later to day, I am busy with some other stuff at the moment.

Phrodo_00 · 2007-11-27 21:45:15

shining wrote:

From http://www.archlinux.org/pacman/ :
As of version 3.0, pacman has been lib-ified, with a backend library named 'libalpm' (Arch Linux Package Management). Speed in some cases has been improved, and this should allow us in the future to speed development of alternative front ends.

wow, thanks, I guess I skipped that paragraph completely

shining wrote:

There are two recent commits from him, you can see them in gitweb for example :
http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=packagekit.git
(look for alpm and the date of today)
But it looks far from complete if the table on the faq is uptodate:
http://www.packagekit.org/pk-faq.html

I see, once I have time (not before friday, it's final test time this week) I'll poke him around asking what/wether I should start researching to help.

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