pacman removed during an update

hudson · 2004-07-16 18:31:05

OmFg, I did an ordinary update with pacman -Suy, didnt think so mutch about it, but then I wanted to install nvidia when i realized that I didnt have pacman. I checked /var/log/pacman.log and here is the result of that log file:

[07/14/04 18:28] installed alsa-oss (1.0.5-1)
[07/15/04 17:48] synchronizing package lists
[07/15/04 17:48] starting full system upgrade
[07/15/04 17:49] upgraded esd (0.2.33-2 -> 0.2.34-1)
[07/15/04 17:49] upgraded glib2 (2.4.2-1 -> 2.4.4-1)
[07/15/04 17:49] upgraded gtk2 (2.4.3-1 -> 2.4.4-1)
[07/15/04 17:49] warning: extracting /etc/rc.conf as /etc/rc.conf.pacnew
[07/15/04 17:49] warning: extracting /etc/rc.local as /etc/rc.local.pacnew
[07/15/04 17:49] upgraded initscripts (0.6-9 -> 0.7-2)
[07/15/04 18:01] warning: /etc/pacman.conf saved as /etc/pacman.conf.pacsave
[07/15/04 18:01] warning: /etc/makepkg.conf saved as /etc/makepkg.conf.pacsave
[07/15/04 18:01] warning: /etc/abs/abs.conf saved as /etc/abs/abs.conf.pacsave
[07/15/04 18:01] removed pacman (2.8-1)

Can someone explaine why my update removed pacman???? I will now try to install pacman again...im getting kinda off scared here, consider im a newbi

cheers
/Hud

hudson · 2004-07-16 18:52:28

I have no idea how to fix my pacman.... :cry:
Can someone plz help me...

Xentac · 2004-07-16 19:10:01

cd /
tar xzf /var/cache/pacman/pkg/pacman-2.8-1.pkg.tar.gz usr/bin/pacman
pacman -S pacman

hudson · 2004-07-16 19:29:30

thx a bunch

/Hud

apeiro · 2004-07-16 23:10:33

hudson wrote:

OmFg, I did an ordinary update with pacman -Suy, didnt think so mutch about it, but then I wanted to install nvidia when i realized that I didnt have pacman.

Hmm, that's a new one. During a --sysupgrade, pacman will only remove a package if it is being replaced by another package or if it needs to resolve conflicts (but then it asks permission first). During the confirmation phase (when it lists the targets and asks "Proceed with upgrade?") did it list pacman as a "Remove" target?

something like this?

Remove: pacman

Targets: other packages listed here

Proceed with upgrade? [Y/n]

sarah31 · 2004-07-17 02:09:45

this is rather disconcerting actually. what could have caused pacman to be removed? Have the servers been hacked or was there a bad call somewhere?

kakabaratruskia · 2004-07-17 02:15:45

sarah31 wrote:

this is rather disconcerting actually. what could have caused pacman to be removed? Have the servers been hacked or was there a bad call somewhere?

I was thinking about that, and it's pretty dangerous. I mean, let's suppose Judd had a nervous breakdown, and adds some malicious code to a package. It could fuck a lot of people. For example, he could change initscripts with empty files. You would just be screwed. I'm just using my imagination. Don't know if this is possible. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Haakon · 2004-07-17 02:41:03

It's perfectly possible, don't worry. It's also perfectly possible that next time you visit the doctor, that injection will actually be a poison that will kill you gradually and painfully within a day. Next time you go somewhere by plane, the pilot may be having a nervous breakdown and decide to commit kamikaze suicide. Next time you leave your child at the daycare center, the caretaker may be planning horrible things. Next time you lie unconscious for an operation, the surgeon could go crazy. Next time you Syu, a package could have an install script that automatically does 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda'. It may even be a package from one of the TURs, and not Judd at all.

All these things are possible, but we don't normally worry about them because we allow people to gain trust over time, so that we can let them do the things for us that they do best. It's a fundamental part of societal mechanics.

Do you have a problem with trust, or did you make that post just because you were bored?

(Edit: Added fitting link!)

sarah31 · 2004-07-17 02:50:19

i believe he was being sarcastic.

i do trust thedevs but being complacent that security cannot be broken is ... not very prudent.

kakabaratruskia · 2004-07-20 19:52:40

Haakon wrote:

It's perfectly possible, don't worry. It's also perfectly possible that next time you visit the doctor, that injection will actually be a poison that will kill you gradually and painfully within a day. Next time you go somewhere by plane, the pilot may be having a nervous breakdown and decide to commit kamikaze suicide. Next time you leave your child at the daycare center, the caretaker may be planning horrible things. Next time you lie unconscious for an operation, the surgeon could go crazy. Next time you Syu, a package could have an install script that automatically does 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda'. It may even be a package from one of the TURs, and not Judd at all.
All these things are possible, but we don't normally worry about them because we allow people to gain trust over time, so that we can let them do the things for us that they do best. It's a fundamental part of societal mechanics.
Do you have a problem with trust, or did you make that post just because you were bored?
(Edit: Added fitting link!)

I think I'll go for debian....

PS: I'm always bored...

hudson · 2004-07-21 20:04:13

apeiro, well I which I could say no, but im not 100% sure if the target was to remove pacman, but as sarah31 said, wat could have caused pacman to be removed. It was just an ordinary update, which I do at least every week, besides on the weekends when im a little paranoid and do it twice a day
Besides that im very found of arch, and want to learn more about it. To bad that there dont exist so much documentation about it...but hey wat is forum for . Being addicted to a OS doesnt mean that u have to be a non social.

/H

Dusty · 2004-11-02 16:21:57

pacman -Sf pacman

should reinstall the entire pacman package, of which abs is a part.

Dusty

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