2.6.27 kernel is a DISASTER!!!

Rulatir · 2008-10-16 23:22:57

Please make this sticky.

To everyone who is lucky not to have upgraded to 2.6.27 kernel: DON'T! Contrary to the mainpage announcement this upgrade is NOT smooth. It breaks LOTS of crucial things for lots of people, like connectivity with some modems (including still widely used SpeedTouch 330), various USB devices not working, radeon drivers not working, systems becoming unbootable. FAR from smooth. AVOID AT ALL COSTS! Wait for bugs to get fixed.

I feel we are having a problem with kernels not receiving enough testing before being moved to core. Kernels need an order of magnitude more testing than anything else. We need a separate repository for testing kernels.

toofishes · 2008-10-16 23:36:32

Rulatir wrote:

Please make this sticky.
To everyone who is lucky not to have upgraded to 2.6.27 kernel: DON'T! Contrary to the mainpage announcement this upgrade is NOT smooth. It breaks LOTS of crucial things for lots of people, like connectivity with some modems (including still widely used SpeedTouch 330), various USB devices not working, radeon drivers not working, systems becoming unbootable. FAR from smooth. AVOID AT ALL COSTS! Wait for bugs to get fixed.
I feel we are having a problem with kernels not receiving enough testing before being moved to core. Kernels need an order of magnitude more testing than anything else. We need a separate repository for testing kernels.

You do realize you just lost all credibility with anyone associated with Arch Linux development. You offered not a single actual suggestion in your rant. (Claiming we need a separate repository for testing kernels was not constructive. What will that even accomplish besides even fewer folks using that repository and testing it?)

Every single developer that tried this kernel before it moved to [core] had no problems. I'm sure quite a few other users tried it out as well, reported bugs to the bug tracker as they should have, and we got them fixed. Congrats on kissing your chance of help goodbye.

stonecrest · 2008-10-16 23:43:47

No problems here.

SkonesMickLoud · 2008-10-16 23:45:03

Upgrade was smooth as silk here.

moljac024 · 2008-10-16 23:59:10

toofishes wrote:

Rulatir wrote:
Please make this sticky.
To everyone who is lucky not to have upgraded to 2.6.27 kernel: DON'T! Contrary to the mainpage announcement this upgrade is NOT smooth. It breaks LOTS of crucial things for lots of people, like connectivity with some modems (including still widely used SpeedTouch 330), various USB devices not working, radeon drivers not working, systems becoming unbootable. FAR from smooth. AVOID AT ALL COSTS! Wait for bugs to get fixed.
I feel we are having a problem with kernels not receiving enough testing before being moved to core. Kernels need an order of magnitude more testing than anything else. We need a separate repository for testing kernels.
You do realize you just lost all credibility with anyone associated with Arch Linux development. You offered not a single actual suggestion in your rant. (Claiming we need a separate repository for testing kernels was not constructive. What will that even accomplish besides even fewer folks using that repository and testing it?)
Every single developer that tried this kernel before it moved to [core] had no problems. I'm sure quite a few other users tried it out as well, reported bugs to the bug tracker as they should have, and we got them fixed. Congrats on kissing your chance of help goodbye.

I don't think you should be so hard on him/her. I've seen quite a few people complaining about issues with the new kernel.
Although it's no fault of Arch, and it went smooth here as well.

Xyne · 2008-10-17 00:03:19

No problems here either.

Rulatir wrote:

It breaks LOTS of crucial things for lots of people, like connectivity with some modems (including still widely used SpeedTouch 330), various USB devices not working, radeon drivers not working, systems becoming unbootable.*

*citation needed

Mr.Elendig · 2008-10-17 00:11:24

Please make this sticky.

Why? It's just a rant, nothing constructive.

To everyone who is lucky not to have upgraded to 2.6.27 kernel: DON'T!

Too late, I did it the second it hit [testing].

Contrary to the mainpage announcement this upgrade is NOT smooth.

It was smooth for me

It breaks LOTS of crucial things for lots of people, like connectivity with some modems (including still widely used SpeedTouch 330)

Don't have one, so I can't comment

, various USB devices not working,

All my usb stuff are working, external hd and usb sticks, 3 different cameras, a Palm, keyboard, mouse and a usb snake light

radeon drivers not working,

AMD/ATI's fault, not arch, 8.10 will work with kernel 2.6.27

systems becoming unbootable.

All my 4 boxes boots fine.

FAR from smooth. AVOID AT ALL COSTS! Wait for bugs to get fixed.

How about all the bugs that the 2.6.27 kernel do fix? Like 'SIGWINCH' ? And how about the new features, like the extra modes for ext4, and the UBIFS filesystem?

Edit: Seems like I'm not the only one that likes the new kernel

I feel we are having a problem with kernels not receiving enough testing before being moved to core.

So, why didn't you help out with the testing of the kernel?

Kernels need an order of magnitude more testing than anything else.

I can only partly agree with that one. There are a lot of other packages that are just as important, and way more error prone.

We need a separate repository for testing kernels.

toofishes wrote:

What will that even accomplish besides even fewer folks using that repository and testing it?

+1

Last edited by Mr.Elendig (2008-10-17 00:17:23)

ozar · 2008-10-17 00:41:15

I keep several copies of backup partition images on hand at all times, so nothing is ever broken for long.

Didn't have any problems at all with this kernel, so no need to restore anything.

koch · 2008-10-17 00:45:31

moljac024 wrote:

I've seen quite a few people complaining about issues with the new kernel.

yeah, they complained because they had (serious) problems but they didn't do it in a way that is, let's say not very friendly.
i don't know if he posted his problems if he had some and i am too lazy to search but i think some people will not be very helpful with his future problems.

oh, update went smooth here.

fukawi2 · 2008-10-17 01:01:16

Upgrade went fine on my Laptop, Desktop, Server and HTPC. Apart from vbox on my desktop which I haven't gotten around to reinstalling yet so not sure if that's going to be a problem.

xvalentinex · 2008-10-17 01:07:56

Upgrade went fine on my two Arch machines. I'm using xf86-video-ati for my radeon card, and it hasn't had a single problem.

@fukawi2 - After upgrading I didn't have the vboxdrv module for the new kernel. I just ran vbox_build_module, and it was solved. I use virtualbox_bin from archlinuxfr, so I don't know if you have that utility.

Ghost1227 · 2008-10-17 01:19:10

No problems here... I like it.

overand · 2008-10-17 01:30:02

I upgraded...

My USB keyboard stopped working, as did both of my network interfaces - and the system reported that it was running 2.6.26
I was able to use the previous initrd file to get at least the keyboard to work, but other than that, no go. And I tried to re-install the kernel... and it didn't make anything better. In fact, it proably overwrote the previous initrd.

ASUS A8N-SLI Board, nForce 4
an LSPCI from inside Ubuntu (ergh)
05:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13)

I did my update with yaourt. I can try to provide more information - if anyone can ask. If anyone thinks I should, I can start a new thread, too.

I see a bunch of module-loading errors when the system starts- my guess being that I have 2.6.27 modules, and the system's actually running 2.6.26.

Last edited by overand (2008-10-17 01:30:57)

revellion · 2008-10-17 01:34:46

upgrade went smooth for me on 4 different systems. an old P4 box, Thinkpad T60p, an old 1Ghz Dell machine, an P4 HT 3.06Ghz box. no problems on any. except on the thinkpad a quickie due to snd-pcsp that i had to blacklist

overand wrote:

I upgraded...
My USB keyboard stopped working, as did both of my network interfaces - and the system reported that it was running 2.6.26
I was able to use the previous initrd file to get at least the keyboard to work, but other than that, no go. And I tried to re-install the kernel... and it didn't make anything better. In fact, it proably overwrote the previous initrd.
ASUS A8N-SLI Board, nForce 4
an LSPCI from inside Ubuntu (ergh)
05:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13)
I did my update with yaourt. I can try to provide more information - if anyone can ask. If anyone thinks I should, I can start a new thread, too.
I see a bunch of module-loading errors when the system starts- my guess being that I have 2.6.27 modules, and the system's actually running 2.6.26.

sounds like an incomplete upgrade. grab the install CD and chroot in and re-do the pacman -S kernel26 ?

Last edited by revellion (2008-10-17 01:36:59)

Inkaine · 2008-10-17 01:35:54

Mr.Elendig wrote:

radeon drivers not working,
AMD/ATI's fault, not arch, 8.10 will work with kernel 2.6.27

Thumbs up on your post. I couldn't have said that better so I leave any further comments on the original poster. Kernel upgrade went smooth for me despite running fglrx. And as you correctly said - it's entirely AMD/ATI's fault. But sadly contrary to your assumption Catalyst 8.10 does not provide support for the .27 kernel. Still, releases can't be pushed behind all the time just because some third party driver is lagging far behind in its support.

skottish · 2008-10-17 02:02:31

The only problems I had with this upgrade had absolutely nothing to do with Arch or it's devs. In fact, this is yet another simple kernel upgrade thanks to the devs.

sirocco · 2008-10-17 03:25:31

Xyne wrote:

*citation needed

Make search in bbs. At least one big problem - root on xfs with options.

smakked · 2008-10-17 03:50:37

ALl went well here on 2 laptops and 3 desktops all manor of hardware and wireless devices, everything still working.

Allan · 2008-10-17 04:27:46

Rulatir wrote:

Please make this sticky.

No, I make it closed instead...

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