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#1 2009-04-04 16:12:31

Goddard
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My i'm new to linux thread

big_smile Whats up!  I'm new to linux and new to Arch.   I like the control of linux and I also like how arch is forcing me to learn more command line and the configuration of the system.  I also like the fact your using PunBB haha I was around when that first started and I do PHP programming and am a fan of his work.  Any way the reason I'm posting this is because I will be asking various noobly questions and need some help to get the hang of this.  I will post my system specs just to get that out of the way to avoid confusion with my future questions.

System specs
AMD Athlon XP 2200+
Maxtor HD 30gb
512 MB of ram
CD/RW drive
(I don't know the network card I will have to look up the commands to find out if that's possible)

I have my computer hooked up through a linksys router and it seems Arch auto detected the correct IP and it matches the IP on my routing table, but it still isn't working.  I get unknown host when I try and ping Google or even my own gateway.

I have searched, but most posts just talk about editing the files and not actually explaining how.  Any ways I would like to take the journey of Arch and a Unix based os I am in another class that is explaining the basics of the command line and helping with commands, but if anyone wants to give me some additional guidance on where to start that would be appreciated.

I guess the first thing to do is get the networking figured out.

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#2 2009-04-04 16:22:12

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

I don't know if you've tried this already, but try ifconfig, then ifconfig eth0 (or whatever your network card is identified as) up, then dhcpcd eth0 (if your net-card is called eth0)

sorry if I couldn't help

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#3 2009-04-04 16:45:25

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

that worked perfect thanks man. so dhcpcd eth0 is what starts the network device?  it isn't started automatically?  how can I start it when it boots? or is this some kind of security feature?

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#4 2009-04-04 16:54:11

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

dhcpcd gets the dhcp info from a device. (the ip address and whatnot).
and  you're welcome smile

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#5 2009-04-04 16:59:39

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

check out netcfg http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_Profiles
or take a look at rc.conf, you can configure your network to start automatically at boot

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#6 2009-04-04 17:07:01

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread


Evil #archlinux@libera.chat channel op and general support dude.
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#7 2009-04-04 19:20:29

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

Goddard wrote:

that worked perfect thanks man. so dhcpcd eth0 is what starts the network device?  it isn't started automatically?  how can I start it when it boots? or is this some kind of security feature?

There is some kind of manual wink

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners_Guide

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Off … tall_Guide

I suggest you read those first. Then, if you have questions that cannot be solved by either searching this forum, searching the interwebs, or by reading manuals or configuration files, then you can post it smile. I hope you like Linux, and Arch, but even more, I hope that you understand this is no hotline. The really simple questions may not be that simple to someone that's new to anything Linux, but a lot of work has put into the links above and it would be disrespectful to the contributors to squarely disregard those smile.

3 out of 5 replies by other users in this topic have been links to the same place - the Wiki. I guess that says something wink.

Have fun.


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#8 2009-04-04 22:14:05

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

I know I know and I try not to ask questions that I can find the answers to and I almost slapped myself in the face when I saw that in the guide.  My bad.

Thanks for the help though.

I managed to update with pacman and I am going to try some other stuff.  I will keep my thread alive with noobly posts.  big_smile

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#9 2009-04-05 15:54:48

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

Alright I went through the beginners guide and everything worked well, but I did run into a few problems.  One, it wont let me run my root terminal in gnome if I am logged in as root or my user account.  Another thing is it did not load my network properly.  Since I can't get into the terminal it is stopping me from doing a lot and I don't have a text editor so I can't do anything in gnome...haha what do I do now?

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#10 2009-04-05 18:40:36

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

Are you saying you can't open the specific menu item "root terminal" or that you can't log into root at all?  ie, are you using

su -

to log into root from the terminal?  As for a text editor, you should have nano installed by default, which is a console based text editor.  You didn't install GNOME's text editor gedit?

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#11 2009-04-05 19:04:03

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

I suggest you to use Wicd (it needs dbus) instead of archlinux network manager

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#12 2009-04-05 19:25:48

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

iusedtohaveaneeepc wrote:

I suggest you to use Wicd (it needs dbus) instead of archlinux network manager

What he said!


Mr Green

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#13 2009-04-05 19:37:01

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

Sorry for the confusion.  No what I'm saying is that I made Gnome automatically boot at start up and I have no way of getting shell access or access to the command line since it wont let me use the menu item.  Unless anyone knows of another way which I am sure there is I just don't know it or what to say on how to search for it.

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#14 2009-04-05 19:47:39

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

Push Ctrl+Alt+F1 to go to the console, and log in there to fix things. Alt+F7 to go back to X.

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#15 2009-04-05 19:53:29

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

oh nice thanks...so simple to you guys, but I thought I had to reinstall haha.

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#16 2009-04-05 20:29:37

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

You should be aware that, as a first-time linux user, you are not included in the intermediate-to-advanced user group for which Arch Linux is intended. This does not necessarily mean that you have made the wrong choice, but it does mean that you are lacking a base level of knowledge that Arch users typically possess, as is abundantly clear from this thread. The practical affect of this will probably be simple questions left unanswered, or answered with little more than the usual RTFM advice.

It is fortunate that you are looking at this as a learning experience, but be sure to prepare yourself for a steep learning curve. Use the wiki, as already advised, and also every other resource you can find. To quote an old saying, "Google is your friend".

Finally - welcome to Arch.  I hope you can stick with it.

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#17 2009-04-23 00:27:38

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

Think I might of messed something up because I cant login to my terminal.  Any ideas?

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#18 2009-04-23 01:12:07

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

Any ideas what you did before it stopped working? Are you getting any error messages? Does it let you enter your username/password, but just not login? Your user or root?

Need to be more specific when asking questions... You can't just go to the doctor and say "it hurts" wink

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#19 2009-04-23 03:27:28

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

haha ok well pretty much its like this...I installed arch and it never worked since then hahah...it asked me for my "default' "keyring" and asks for a password then after that I say deny then it pops up with another prompt for a password to the "gnome-terminal"  I am using a user account not my root account.

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#20 2009-04-23 05:23:46

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

Well when you first installed, it sounds like you created a keyring to store your passwords in at some stage. You created the password for this at some stage.

When you try to open the terminal, that password will either be root's password, or your user's password. If it's asking for the "administrative" password, then it's wanting root's.

Remember, you can hit CTRL + ALT+ F1 to go to a CLI prompt.

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#21 2009-04-23 06:04:39

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

alright ...well I guess I have a "default" user? or group for the key ring because thats what the key ring is and I put in a password for that that seemed to work and now when I click on root terminal it opens up and i see it sitting in the task bar with a hour glass for my mouse but then it just closes...

any ideas?  Yeah i have been using that ctrl alt f1

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#22 2009-04-23 06:18:51

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

I suggest you start again, and follow the documentation more closely this time.

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#23 2009-04-23 07:16:33

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

In case of a renewed "this doesn't work" I would suggest you download the new Ubuntu 09.04 - (I'd of course suggest Kubuntu, but that is by the by) or Open Suse. They are ideally suited to somebody new to Linux and the best place to get your feet wet without compromising on functionality - install and you will find that everything just works smile

Just a subtle hint wink


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#24 2009-04-23 19:25:41

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

The best way to learn is by having lots of problems that force you to do something.

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#25 2009-04-24 02:15:38

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Re: My i'm new to linux thread

Is something wrong with pacman ?  I was attempting go setup my x and install pacman -S libgl and it connects and asks me if i want to proceed with install then when i push y and wait it comes up with a error and says it couldnt go through with the install something went wrong.

I went through the guide and did everything except for the sound install and sudo.

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