Where is empathy?

SyXbiT · 2009-06-16 23:54:10

thanks.
I just didn't know where to find the optional Deps
they aren't listed in AUT
thanks

wonder · 2009-06-17 09:13:37

@SyXbiT you can always use pacman.
pacman -Si empathy

Eiki · 2009-10-17 16:51:44

Hey, didn't want to start a new thread since my question is related to what's being talked about in this thread.

I'm trying to install the telepathy-haze package to connect to my AIM account with empathy but the package is dependent on me also installing pidgin, which is silly. Any help on how to get around this?

wonder · 2009-10-17 16:53:42

Eiki wrote:

Hey, didn't want to start a new thread since my question is related to what's being talked about in this thread.
I'm trying to install the telepathy-haze package to connect to my AIM account with empathy but the package is dependent on me also installing pidgin, which is silly. Any help on how to get around this?

you can use libpurple from aur or open a feature request asking for splitting pidgin in libpurple and pidgin.

Eiki · 2009-10-17 16:58:57

wonder wrote:

Eiki wrote:
Hey, didn't want to start a new thread since my question is related to what's being talked about in this thread.
I'm trying to install the telepathy-haze package to connect to my AIM account with empathy but the package is dependent on me also installing pidgin, which is silly. Any help on how to get around this?
you can use libpurple from aur or open a feature request asking for splitting pidgin in libpurple and pidgin.

Ah ok, thanks. Tried looking for telepathy-haze in the AUR but didn't find anything. Didn't know about libpurple.

Found this thread while waiting for a reply. Seems that someone has already tried to feature request that already but looks like it got deferred.

Anyways, thanks for the quick reply. Still learning the ropes around here.

Allan · 2009-10-17 17:10:33

I re-opened that bug report as the situation has changed since it was closed.

Eiki · 2009-10-17 17:54:36

Well I'm back. I got the libpurple.tar.gz from AUR but I keep getting an error message when running the makepkg command.

Here's the output. The juicy stuff doesn't come in until way at the bottom:

$ makepkg -s
==> Making package: libpurple 2.6.2-2 x86_64 (Sat Oct 17 12:40:58 CDT 2009)
==> Checking Runtime Dependencies...
==> Checking Buildtime Dependencies...
==> Retrieving Sources...
  -> Found pidgin-2.6.2.tar.gz in build dir
==> Validating source files with md5sums...
    pidgin-2.6.2.tar.gz ... Passed
==> Extracting Sources...
  -> Extracting pidgin-2.6.2.tar.gz with bsdtar
==> Removing existing pkg/ directory...
==> Entering fakeroot environment...
==> Starting build()...
checking build system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
checking host system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
checking target system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
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checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
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checking whether we are cross compiling... no
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checking for gconftool-2... /usr/bin/gconftool-2
Using config source xml:merged:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults for schema installation
Using $(sysconfdir)/gconf/schemas as install directory for schema files
checking for GSTREAMER... yes
checking for gst_registry_fork_set_enabled in -lgstreamer-0.10... yes
checking for GSTINTERFACES... yes
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checking for IDN... yes
checking for MEANWHILE... no
configure: error:
Meanwhile development headers not found.
Use --disable-meanwhile if you do not need meanwhile (Sametime) support.

/home/eiki/builds/libpurple/PKGBUILD: line 20: --disable-perl: command not found
==> ERROR: Build Failed.
    Aborting...

I checked and perl is installed so I'm not sure what that "--disable-perl: command not found" is all about, nor do I have any ideas about "Meanwhile development headers not found". Any help is appreciated.

wonder · 2009-10-17 18:01:03

remove that --disable-perl and add --disable-meanwhile

Eiki · 2009-10-17 18:18:45

Tried that but each time I ran the makepkg command I got the error "--disable-whatever: command not found". Went through one by one and removed each "--disable-*" line from the PKGBUILD to see if that would fix it but no dice. It even gave me that error with the --disable-meanwhile line.

wonder · 2009-10-17 18:32:56

Eiki wrote:

Tried that but each time I ran the makepkg command I got the error "--disable-whatever: command not found". Went through one by one and removed each "--disable-*" line from the PKGBUILD to see if that would fix it but no dice. It even gave me that error with the --disable-meanwhile line.

be sure that you split lines in configure well by adding \ at the end

./configure --prefix=/usr \
            --sysconfdir=/etc \
            --disable-perl \
            --disable-gtkui \
            --disable-consoleui \
            --disable-sm \
            --disable-gestures \
            --disable-screensaver \
            --disable-startup-notification \
            --disable-schemas-install \
            --disable-tcl \
            --disable-tk \
            --disable-nls \
            --without-x \
            --disable-vv \
            --disable-gstreamer \
            --disable-meanwhile \
            --disable-avahi \
            --disable-dbus  || return 1

Last edited by wonder (2009-10-17 18:46:27)

Eiki · 2009-10-17 18:41:24

wonder wrote:

be sure that you split lines in configure well by adding \ at the end

./configure --prefix=/usr \
            --sysconfdir=/etc
            --disable-perl \
            --disable-gtkui \
            --disable-consoleui \
            --disable-sm \
            --disable-gestures \
            --disable-screensaver \
            --disable-startup-notification \
            --disable-schemas-install \
            --disable-tcl \
            --disable-tk \
            --disable-nls \
            --without-x \
            --disable-vv \
            --disable-gstreamer \
            --disable-meanwhile \
            --disable-avahi \
            --disable-dbus  || return 1

that's how it looks by default

wonder · 2009-10-17 18:46:18

oh, i miss \ from --sysconfdir=/etc \ . that's why is not working. i've edited

Eiki · 2009-10-17 19:37:40

Success! That was what was missing. Something did seem a little off when that error message kept creeping up on line 20.

So now that libpurple's been installed, how do I get empathy to recognize it? It still says that no protocols are installed.

wonder · 2009-10-17 19:41:13

you install one of the telepathy package.
Optional Deps : telepathy-gabble: XMPP/Jabber support
telepathy-butterfly: MSN support
telepathy-idle: IRC support
telepathy-salut: Link-local XMPP support
telepathy-sofiasip: SIP support
telepathy-haze: libpurple support

for making pacman now to scream about pidgin, get telepathy-haze from abs and modify dependency from pidgin to libpurple.

Eiki · 2009-10-17 19:43:43

Ah ha, more to be done yet. Well I will have to try that later tonight. I'm off to work now.

And thank you once again for essentially holding my hand through this. It was very much appreciated.

UPDATE: Finally had a chance to finish this this morning and everything went smoothly. The forums and the wiki have been a tremendous help.

Last edited by Eiki (2009-10-19 23:40:02)

Nebulosa · 2009-10-21 06:30:25

Want use empathy, so I installing it:

$ install empathy
...
telepathy-mission-control-5.3.1-1 [0,28 MB] libnice-0.0.9-1 [0,27 MB] gstreamer0.10-python-0.10.16-1 [0,31 MB] farsight2-0.0.16-1 [0,27 MB] telepathy-farsight-0.0.12-1 [0,08 MB]
libwebkit-1.1.15.2-1 [6,31 MB] (WTF?? I don't want use adium skins ever!! 6mb!!) empathy-2.28.1-1 [2,83 MB]

...

> To use Empathy you need to install at least one Telepathy connection
manager.
>
telepathy-gabble: XMPP/Jabber support
telepathy-butterfly: MSN support
telepathy-idle: IRC support
telepathy-salut: Link-local XMPP support
telepathy-sofiasip: SIP support
telepathy-haze: libpurple support

Ok, I want use Jabber and ICQ and need to install telepathy-gabble telepathy-haze:

$ install telepathy-gabble telepathy-haze
....
telepathy-gabble-0.8.7-1 [0,30 MB] gtkspell-2.0.15-1.1 [0,03 MB]
silc-toolkit-1.1.9-1 [1,26 MB] pidgin-2.6.3-1 [9,52 MB] (o_O)
telepathy-haze-0.3.2-1 [0,04 MB]
...
Is that normal?...

Allan · 2009-10-21 06:35:03

Yes. telepathy-hase requires libpurple which is only distributed in the pidgin package.

pidgin is a candidate for package splitting, but I hear that is not particular simple due to is build system...

gog · 2009-10-21 07:16:13

moljac024 wrote:

Oh come on, seriously, are GNOME libs going to eat out your hard disk ?

I'm amused by the sexual connotation of this post and seriously considering making it my signature.

wonder · 2009-10-21 10:21:02

@Nebulosa i'm not going to remove libwebkit just because you don't need it. adium themes is a nice feature that all users wanted. i'm imaging what you have said if i enabled geolocation and map support ).
btw if you want that one to be optional dependency report upstream to make dinamic loading of libs

about pidgin, you can use libpurple from aur and recompile telepathy-haze.

Last edited by wonder (2009-10-21 11:20:15)

Nebulosa · 2009-10-21 16:53:17

If I have already installed pidgin... I can't imagine a reason to use empathy

I think it really bad idea (forget ICQ and telepathy-haze, normal people use Jabber only ) to make libwebkit as a dependence because of package size! It's bigger than all other packages! btw, geolocation and map support more acceptable because it's unique option of this IM.

Empathy is a simply and lightweight standard IM for Gnome or not?

wonder · 2009-10-21 16:55:27

Nebulosa wrote:

If I have already installed pidgin... I can't imagine a reason to use empathy
I think it really bad idea (forget ICQ and telepathy-haze, normal people use Jabber only ) to make libwebkit as a dependence because of package size! It's bigger than all other packages! btw, geolocation and map support more acceptable because it's unique option of this IM.
Empathy is a simply and lightweight standard IM for Gnome or not?

unique and is working only with xmpp. speaking about that, personally adium themes is in the same category and it has a purpose rather than geo and map which i think is useless.

yes empathy is a part of gnome.

EDIT: it is funny that you are arguing about libwebkit which is used by a lot more application in gnome. you know that geolocation and map support brings 2 more dependency to empathy which aren't used by any other package? geoclue and libchamplain

Last edited by wonder (2009-10-21 17:05:02)

Nebulosa · 2009-10-22 10:01:35

wonder wrote:

yes empathy is a part of gnome.

My question was "Empathy is really lightweight IM"?

wonder wrote:

EDIT: it is funny that you are arguing about libwebkit which is used by a lot more application in gnome.

Such as? Empathy?
I have already xulrunner which is used by other standard browser in Gnome: Epiphany. Web browser use web-engine it is quite logical. IM use another web-engine(!) for skins of other IM (!)...
Not so simple and lightweight, isn it?

Allan · 2009-10-22 10:09:32

Nebulosa wrote:

I have already xulrunner which is used by other standard browser in Gnome: Epiphany.

You need some fact checking...

> pacman -Si epiphany
...
Depends On     : libwebkit>=1.1.15.1  startup-notification>=0.10  
...

celettu · 2009-10-22 11:21:00

I was just about to say that...Epiphany switched to webkit since it's latest release...

Nebulosa · 2009-10-24 07:14:13

Allan wrote:

You need some fact checking...
Depends On : libwebkit>=1.1.15.1 startup-notification>=0.10

O_O Thanks for checking... I was wrong, shame on me. Anyway, I will use pidgin. Empathy is too heavy to my system.

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