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#1 2004-10-12 20:51:05

ghostwalker
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Blackbox 0.70beta2

HHey, I just compile the CVS, ie 0.70beta2 of Blackbox. Quick as the others and low comsumption of ram. Really easy to understand config files, menu, blackboxrc. It is great the original is back. I for one will be supporting this even if I can only by testing and providing feedback to the developer. It is also striving to compatible with the freedesktop.org standards also.....

Walt

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#2 2004-10-16 06:43:53

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

Here is a image of my desktop so far.

ss.jpeg

I really like Blackbox. I originally used it back in 99' while I was a Evergreen State College for one of my projects. I used Corel Linux w/Blackbox on a IBM 380ED Laptop. It was amazingly fast. I think IBM make the most linux friend laptop around.

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#3 2004-10-21 22:01:41

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

what's that little desklet thing you have in the corner?


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#4 2004-10-21 22:22:55

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#5 2004-10-22 08:29:22

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

the sreenshot looks pretty!
now, can I run apps like FireFox/Thunderbird/Gaim/amarok/Xchat in BlackBox?


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#6 2004-10-22 08:52:32

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

Mith wrote:

the sreenshot looks pretty!
now, can I run apps like FireFox/Thunderbird/Gaim/amarok/Xchat in BlackBox?

Sure you can... Why couldn't you? BlackBox is a WM for X. You can even run those progs without any WM/DE at all, just run X without a WM/DE. 8)

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#7 2004-10-22 09:36:55

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

Blackbox lead to flux, open and the other *box window managers. It is now NetWM complient (freedesktop.org). I also has a small foot print for memory usage and an really easy set of config files, tons of themes, etc. For usage with the 0.70beta2 there is even a theme conversion tool for converting pre 0.70beta2  themes to current.


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#8 2004-10-22 13:45:39

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

just got the devel tarball.. had to create a symlink from /usr/local/bin/blackbox to /usr/bin/blackbox to actually get it started..
let me just say the wiki page to blackbox sucks incredibly smile there are no dead links but the links actually contain no information..
I guess I'll keep messing with it for a while longer and give it a change, so hopefully I find some more info about how it works and what conf file is for what


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#9 2004-10-22 13:49:24

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

i have used blackbox now for half a year. i always come back to it. it is far and away my fav WM and i am psyched to know it is being developed again.

thanks for the info.


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#10 2004-10-22 13:55:57

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

i didnt know blackbox was still alive... huh.
personally I like the new fluxbox... though not a whole lot... i like the move to pixmap themes as the original window decoration buttons look like poo.

could anyone give me a concise explaination of what is new in this bb version?

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#11 2004-10-22 14:23:30

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

I don't know if there's more features, but this is what I see on the website:

Implements the new NetWM standard, overhauled style syntax and aspect features, advanced features and control over them. This release adds fixed Unicode support and 'Focus Last Window on Workspace' functionality.

I know it's a good thing, but it's still kind of a bummer that there's a dependency now.  blackbox was always the WM I knew I could get up and running fast with nothing but X if I needed.

What's the difference in resource usage looking like between 0.65 and this?

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#12 2004-10-22 19:12:19

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

I am not sure about what you say that there is a dependency? As far as I know there are dependency to run blackbox other that Xorg/Xfree and bbkeys for keys support. The resource differences I a not sure about because it has been a while since I used 0.65.

For setting it up you need a .blackboxrc file in you home directory:

session.screen0.slit.autoHide:    True
session.screen0.slit.direction:    Horizontal
session.screen0.slit.onTop:    True
session.screen0.slit.placement:    TopRight
session.screen0.toolbar.autoHide:    False
session.screen0.toolbar.onTop:    False
session.screen0.toolbar.placement:    BottomCenter
session.screen0.toolbar.widthPercent:    60
session.screen0.fullMaximization:    True
session.screen0.workspaceNames:    Workspace 1,Workspace 2,Workspace 3,Workspace 4
session.screen0.strftimeFormat:    %m.%d.%y %l:%M
session.screen0.workspaces:    4
session.screen0.opaqueMove:    True
session.screen0.slitPlacement:    TopRight
session.screen0.edgeSnapThreshold:    0
session.screen0.rowPlacementDirection:    LeftToRight
session.screen0.enableToolbar:    True
session.screen0.colPlacementDirection:    TopToBottom
session.screen0.disableBindingsWithScrollLock:    False
session.screen0.focusLastWindow:    True
session.screen0.toolbarOnTop:    True
session.screen0.focusModel:    ClickToFocus
session.screen0.focusNewWindows:    True
session.screen0.placementIgnoresShaded:    True
session.screen0.toolbarWidthPercent:    60
session.screen0.windowPlacement:    CascadePlacement
session.styleFile:    /usr/share/blackbox/styles/CleanSilver
session.doubleClickInterval:    250
session.cacheLife:    5
session.windowCycleModifier:    Control
session.maximumColors:    0
session.opaqueMove:    True
session.workspaceChangeModifier:    Control
session.colormapFocusModel:    Click
session.titlebarLayout:    CMIL
session.colorsPerChannel:    4
session.autoRaiseDelay:    100
session.menuFile:    /home/wnelson/.blackbox/menu
session.cacheMax:    200
session.imageDither:    FloydSteinbergDither

And a menu file in directory .blackbox

[begin] (BlackBox 0.70beta2)
    [exec] (Terminal) {aterm}
    [exec] (Mozilla-Firefox) {/opt/firefox/firefox}
    [exec] (Mozilla-Thunderbird) {/opt/mozilla-thunderbird/bin/thunderbird}

    [submenu] (Internet)
        [exec] (Mozilla-Firefox) {/opt/firefox/firefox}
        [exec] (Mozilla-Thunderbird) {/opt/mozilla-thunderbird/bin/thunderbird}
        [exec] (gFTP) {gftp}
    [end]

    [submenu] (Multimedia )
        [exec] (MP3 Player) {xmms}
        [exec] (Movie Player) {gmplayer}
        [exec] (Audio Mixer) {aterm -e alsamixer}
    [end]
   
    [submenu] (Office)
        [exec] (abiword) {abiword}
        [exec] (gnumeric) {gnumeric}
        [exec] (gedit) {gedit}
    [end]

    [submenu] (Games)
        [exec] (gtali) {/opt/gnome/bin/gtali}
        [exec] (foobillard) {foobillard}
    [end]

       
    [submenu] (Utils)
        [exec] (Terminal) {aterm}
        [exec] (Font selector) {xfontsel}
    [end]

    [nop] (----------)

    [submenu] (System)
        [submenu] (Information)
            [exec] (System monitor) {aterm -e top}
        [end]
    [end]

    [submenu] (BlackBox Config)
        [config] (Config)
        [workspaces] (Workspaces)
        [submenu] (Styles) {Choose a style...}
            [stylesdir] (/usr/share/blackbox/styles)
        [end]
        [submenu] (Operation)
            [reconfig] (Reconfigure)
            [restart] (Restart)
        [end]
        [exec] (Edit menu) {aterm -e joe $HOME/.blackbox/menu}
        [exec] (GTK-chtheme) {gtk-chtheme}

    [end]

[exit] (Exit)

[end]

This and adding the neccessary .xinitrc or .xsession I use .xinitrc personally.

# turn off screen blanking and turn on energy star features
xset s off
xset dpms 240 360 480

# export the current environment, in case it needs to be debugged
env > ~/.xenv

bsetbg -f /usr/share/wallpaper/marsrover.jpg &

# window shadow/faze
#transset .25 &
#xcompmgr -c &

bbkeys &
exec blackbox

Walt


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#13 2004-10-22 19:32:57

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

I was going by this from the webpage:

X11 compatible window system; libiconv (needed for Unicode support); XFT (optional, only if you want anti-aliased fonts and fontconfig support);

and I was referring to libiconv, since it didn't say optional, as XFT does. 

Re-reading it, it could be optional.  But from the way they've said it, that wasn't my first guess.

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#14 2004-10-22 22:59:05

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

fluxbox vs blackbox, wich is the best?


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#15 2004-10-24 08:40:37

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

fluxbox is better by far

fluxbox is essentially blackbox with none of the useless crap blackbox adds

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#16 2004-10-24 11:41:47

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

Who can it remove some of the stuff and remain 100% compatible?

What is FluxBox
Fluxbox Fluxbox is yet another windowmanager for X.
It's based on the Blackbox 0.61.1 code. Fluxbox looks like blackbox and handles styles, colors, window placement and similar thing exactly like blackbox (100% theme/style compability).

Walt


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#17 2004-10-24 22:31:01

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

Who said anything about it being 100 percent compatible.

Since your using arch, I would assume you like, light, flexible, fast type window managers.  Fluxbox, just drops all the useless crap that is in Blackbox to make it faster and lighter as a window manager.  Fluxbox and Blackbox are almost 100 percent compatible, since styling, keys, and windowing are done relatively the same.  But removing excess garbage from blackbox doesnt make it non-compatible

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#18 2004-10-25 07:49:29

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

Lets see. Blackbox no transparency, no icons-menus or icons-toolbar. Blackbox does not even have key support unless you use bbkeys. Fluxbox has all of the above. Flux and Openbox have a bit larger memory footprint. 
I am trying to make a choice between the two. And if you include openbox which has xml config files which is hard but not impossible to edit. All of the above are implementing most of the NetWM standards from freedesktop.org. 
I guess I will use each one for a couple of weeks to see which one I like the most.


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#19 2004-10-25 14:30:22

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

If you're looking into *box wm's, may I suggest the fabulous pekwm?

Ugly default theme, but great themability, xinerama support, tabbed windows and it's TINY.[/quote]

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#20 2004-10-25 16:42:29

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

beniro wrote:

If you're looking into *box wm's, may I suggest the fabulous pekwm?

Ugly default theme, but great themability, xinerama support, tabbed windows and it's TINY.

I would recommend OpenBox instead (and no, I don't intend to make this thread into a flamewar ^_^), since we still are talking about *boxes, and not the works of pekdon (the maker of pekwm).
and oh - pekdon is a nice fellow :]


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#21 2004-10-25 22:39:20

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

I would recommend OpenBox instead (and no, I don't intend to make this thread into a flamewar ^_^), since we still are talking about *boxes, and not the works of pekdon (the maker of pekwm).

Hey!  I know pekwm isn't exactly a *box, but it's my favorite of the bare wms with a plain root menu to launch apps from.  I think I was the one who mentioned *boxes specifically...no...

Out of the actual boxes, I think I like flux the best, although open and black are nice too.

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#22 2004-10-25 22:42:15

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

Right now my favorite is pekWM, but I like openbox.  I'm not quite happy with any window manager at the moment, but that might be saying more about me than anything else.  I think if you're a Linux newbie trying out a *box WM, Fluxbox or Blackbox are the way to go just due to seniority.  They've been around the longest, and so have the largest following that would be able to provide you with support.

I find pekWM a LOT easier to configure than flux or openbox though.  As far as providing powerful tools at your fingertips, it wins hands down IMHO.  It's easy to completely configure mouse actions and autoproperties for certain windows and the docs are good.  The CVS version is great, but most of the themes that are out there are incompatible.  Fixing the syntax or converting the images in the themes generally is easy though.

Anyway, just my 7 cents.


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#23 2004-10-26 12:17:01

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

I want to try the new CVS blackbox.  Would it be prudent to just use the pkgbuild for the current blackbox, and edit it to use the downloaded CVS package?  Or how did you compile it?   Mind posting your PKGBUILD?


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#24 2004-10-26 18:19:22

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

I just did a CVS download and compile of Blackbox. I didn't create a PKGBUILD.

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#25 2005-01-22 20:11:48

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Re: Blackbox 0.70beta2

I can't get it to go.

I download the CVS version, and get no configure file, so I run mk.sh, and I get errors.  But here's the PKGBUILD I"m working on.

# $Id: PKGBUILD,v 1.13
# Contributor thegnu <thegnu@gmail.com>
pkgname=blackbox-cvs
pkgver=0.70.0
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="The CVS version of the original *box window manager for X11"
depends=('x-server')
makedepends=('cvs' 'wget')
source=( )


build() {
 cd $startdir/src
  #Downloading the sources
  cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/blackboxwm login
  cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/blackboxwm co blackbox
  #build
  cd $startdir/src/blackbox
  ./mk.sh
  ./configure --prefix=/usr --disable-nls
  ## ./make doesn't work
  ## ./make install doesn't work

  #### Experiment building CVS, omitting bbkeys
  # we build bbkeys into the blackbox package
  # cd $startdir/src/bbkeys-0.8.6
  # ./configure --prefix=/usr
  # make || return 1
  # make DESTDIR=$startdir/pkg install
}

here's the output
Logging in to :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/blackboxwm
? blackbox/.in
? blackbox/config.guess
? blackbox/config.log
? blackbox/config.sub
? blackbox/configure
? blackbox/depcomp
? blackbox/install-sh
? blackbox/ltmain.sh
? blackbox/missing
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/app-defaults
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/ccmalloc-0.2.3
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/ccmalloc-0.2.3/src
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/ccmalloc-0.2.3/test
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/data
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/data/brueghel
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/data/styles
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/doc
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/doc/fr_FR
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/doc/ja_JP
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/doc/nl_NL
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/doc/sl_SI
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/lib
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/C
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/da_DK
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/de_DE
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/es_AR
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/es_ES
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/et_EE
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/fr_FR
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/hu_HU
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/it_IT
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/ja_JP
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/ko_KR
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/lv_LV
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/nl_NL
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/no_NO
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/pl_PL
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/pt_BR
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/ro_RO
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/ru_RU
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/sk_SK
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/sl_SI
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/sv_SE
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/tr_TR
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/uk_UA
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/zh_CN
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/nls/zh_TW
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/src
cvs checkout: Updating blackbox/util
aclocal: couldn't open directory `/usr/local/share/aclocal': No such file or directory
You should add the contents of `/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to `aclocal.m4'.
libtoolize: `config.guess' exists: use `--force' to overwrite
libtoolize: `config.sub' exists: use `--force' to overwrite
libtoolize: `ltmain.sh' exists: use `--force' to overwrite
autoheader: error: AC_CONFIG_HEADERS not found in configure.ac
configure.ac: no proper invocation of AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE was found.
configure.ac: You should verify that configure.ac invokes AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE,
configure.ac: that aclocal.m4 is present in the top-level directory,
configure.ac: and that aclocal.m4 was recently regenerated (using aclocal).
lib/Makefile.am:26: Libtool library used but `LIBTOOL' is undefined
lib/Makefile.am:26:
lib/Makefile.am:26: The usual way to define `LIBTOOL' is to add `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL'
lib/Makefile.am:26: to `configure.ac' and run `aclocal' and `autoconf' again.
/usr/share/automake-1.9/am/depend2.am: am__fastdepCXX does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
/usr/share/automake-1.9/am/depend2.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
/usr/share/automake-1.9/am/depend2.am: am__fastdepCXX does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
/usr/share/automake-1.9/am/depend2.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
/usr/share/automake-1.9/am/depend2.am: am__fastdepCXX does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
/usr/share/automake-1.9/am/depend2.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
configure.ac:5: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
      If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
      See the Autoconf documentation.
configure.ac:32: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DISABLE_SHARED
configure.ac:33: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
configure.ac:293: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_MAINTAINER_MODE
configure.ac:296: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_CONFIG_HEADER
./configure: line 1338: syntax error near unexpected token `blackbox,'
./configure: line 1338: `AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(blackbox, 0.70.0cvs)'
./install-sh: no input file specified.


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