Overheating the laptop - Ati driver problem (SOLVED)

webmasteryoda · 2010-03-24 10:38:50

Hi ppl.

I have Acer Aspire 5732 Z laptop. Intel Pentium processor T4400 2.2 GHz. Ati Mobility Radeon HD 4570 512 MB VRAM, 15.6", 3 GB RAM, 320 GB HDD.

I successfully solved all the problems during the installation, but this one I can not handle. The laptop is HEATING too much. I also have Ubuntu 9.10 on the other partition and its all fine. Its working on the temperature of ~46 C. And my Arch is working on the temperature of ~60 C. So its about 15 C difference between Ubuntu and Arch. Way too much.

Arch is running in KDE mode. Have to add that I installed all KDE packages. Maybe the cause of this problem ?

I am using the proprietary Ati Radeon driver. I tried to change it with open source Ati driver but Xorg refused to configure again (gave me a blank screen).

I checked Wiki on laptop, but didnt succeded to solve this problem. Here s my rc.conf:
MODULES=( acpi-cpufreq )
DAEMONS=(syslog-ng dbus hal !acpid !acpi-support powernowd wicd !network !netfs alsa crond laptop-mode kdm)

powernowd configuration:
OPTIONS="-q -u 30 -l 10"

acpi-support is blacklisted because I installed it from AUR and didnt managed it to work. Its just saying "no permission" during the boot. I actually installed it because I read that its Ubuntus Acpi management. ~ I repeat Acpi is working fine on my Ubuntu.

I can also show my laptop-mode configuration files - if needed.

I am a newbie for Arch but I rlly done my best on this issue as I want to use this system. I think its great and highly configurable and I just love the fact its a rolling distro. But I cant use it overheating.

So, please help.

Last edited by webmasteryoda (2010-04-05 19:10:54)

Skripka · 2010-03-24 12:43:07

My first guess would be that this is due to your modules list is incomplete. If you want a CPU throttler running, you must add the appropriate governor to the modules list.

See:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Cpufreq

webmasteryoda · 2010-03-24 13:02:03

Isnt this enough ?

MODULES=( acpi-cpufreq )

evr · 2010-03-24 13:12:44

see the "scaling governors" section of the link skripka posted. you should add something like cpufreq_ondemand.

MadTux · 2010-03-24 17:43:53

Here is an example on how to do it:

MODULES=(acpi-cpufreq cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_powersave)

You can also add cpufreq to your daemons list, but don't forget to edit /etc/conf.d/cpufreq and uncomment the line that has the governor in it.

webmasteryoda · 2010-03-24 23:45:56

evr wrote:

see the "scaling governors" section of the link skripka posted. you should add something like cpufreq_ondemand.

I checked this solution too..... still no success.... (((

Even tried to install Gnome....... nothing better

Skripka · 2010-03-24 23:56:17

webmasteryoda wrote:

I checked this solution too..... still no success.... (((
Even tried to install Gnome....... nothing better

If the cpu governor is configured and the CPU is throttling down when idle, the only other thing that could be causing high temps are CPU intensive processes that are running. Check your system monitor.

webmasteryoda · 2010-03-25 00:24:09

Skripka wrote:

webmasteryoda wrote:
I checked this solution too..... still no success.... (((
Even tried to install Gnome....... nothing better
If the cpu governor is configured and the CPU is throttling down when idle, the only other thing that could be causing high temps are CPU intensive processes that are running. Check your system monitor.

Yes it is properly configured......... and system monitor is clean........

I think that I m doomed with this problem..... no solution.....

But I realy cant believe that in Ubuntu all works well.... temperatures even below 44 C. Atm 55 C in Arch....

I tried everything..... no success.

Odysseus · 2010-03-25 16:04:14

The video card may be to blame, or really, maybe KDE's window manager is to blame because it's using some 3D compositing or something like that.

I'd try getting a temperature reading without a DE running.

Last edited by Odysseus (2010-03-25 16:07:03)

webmasteryoda · 2010-03-25 16:17:34

I tried Gnome.... and no changes.....

So I have to eliminate systems GUI as a possible cause.

Still checking video driver. Hoping to solve this after driver change to Ati open source video.

webmasteryoda · 2010-03-25 23:05:28

Checked video driver....

Its a same situation no matter what driver I use....

I practically gave up....

Fackamato · 2010-03-29 21:43:30

What acpi modules are loaded? What does

find /sys/ |grep governor

give you?

webmasteryoda · 2010-03-29 22:27:30

I gave up.... for now....

But heres what Linux Mint 8 gave me:

/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuidle/current_governor_ro
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors

I repeat again..... Mint is functional and no heating problems.... Just Arch.... But I think I didnt used those utils / governors....

I tried powernowd, laptop-mode....

Fackamato · 2010-03-29 22:46:26

webmasteryoda wrote:

I gave up.... for now....
But heres what Linux Mint 8 gave me:
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuidle/current_governor_ro
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
I repeat again..... Mint is functional and no heating problems.... Just Arch.... But I think I didnt used those utils / governors....
I tried powernowd, laptop-mode....

If you would've loaded the correct modules, and used the correct user space utilities, it would've probably worked.

webmasteryoda · 2010-03-29 23:23:13

I am sure it would..... but I tried all sorts of combinations.

demian · 2010-03-30 10:12:43

Did you check with powertop if the CPU is using the power states correctly i.e. lowering the clock rate?

webmasteryoda · 2010-03-30 13:16:48

No I didnt....

But its too late now. Because I removed Arch. I ll try Kubuntu 10.04, and hopefully move again to Arch if I solve the problem / find a cause of this problem.

I ll reactivate this topic in 30-45 days when I get a better picture.

thx

webmasteryoda · 2010-04-03 17:14:41

demian wrote:

Did you check with powertop if the CPU is using the power states correctly i.e. lowering the clock rate?

Cn Avg residency P-states (frequencies)
C0 (cpu running) (30.9%) 2.21 Ghz 1.9%
polling 0.9ms ( 0.0%) 1.60 Ghz 1.0%
C1 mwait 0.1ms ( 0.0%) 1200 Mhz 97.1%
C3 mwait 0.0ms (69.0%)

Wakeups-from-idle per second : 35798.0 interval: 15.0s
no ACPI power usage estimate available

Top causes for wakeups:
22.5% (162.2) firefox : hrtimer_start_range_ns (hrtimer_wakeup)
21.0% (151.4) <interrupt> : extra timer interrupt
17.6% (127.1) <kernel core> : hrtimer_start_range_ns (tick_sched_timer)
15.6% (112.5) amarok : hrtimer_start_range_ns (hrtimer_wakeup)
6.5% ( 46.9) <interrupt> : HDA Intel
3.2% ( 22.9) <interrupt> : ehci_hcd:usb2, uhci_hcd:usb4
3.2% ( 22.9) USB device 4-1 : USB Optical Mouse (Logitech)
2.9% ( 21.0) <interrupt> : acpi
1.2% ( 8.5) <interrupt> : ahci
0.9% ( 6.7) <kernel IPI> : Rescheduling interrupts

Suggestion: Enable USB autosuspend by pressing the U key or adding
usbcore.autosuspend=1 to the kernel command line in the grub config

-------------------------------------------------------------

This is powertops output. I reinstalled Arch to try again, but still no success.

Btw, I think that CPU is not a problem. Its scaling down very nice. Even when I activate powersave governor - its still high temperature... So if CPU s not a problem, what is ? Maybe hard disk or video..... ?

Here s my modules and daemons:
MODULES=(acpi-cpufreq cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_powersave)
DAEMONS=(!network syslog-ng dbus hal cpufreq laptop-mode !netfs crond alsa wicd kdm)

I just dont understand... Should I post laptop-mode conf ?

Last edited by webmasteryoda (2010-04-03 18:11:11)

pyther · 2010-04-03 17:47:35

What does cat /proc/cpuinfo report particularly the cpu MHz line? Also, what about cpufreq-info?

webmasteryoda · 2010-04-03 18:14:19

pyther wrote:

What does cat /proc/cpuinfo report particularly the cpu MHz line? Also, what about cpufreq-info?

Ok.... here it is...

processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 23
model name : Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4400 @ 2.20GHz
stepping : 10
cpu MHz : 1200.000
cache size : 1024 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 2
core id : 0
cpu cores : 2
apicid : 0
initial apicid : 0
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 13
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm xsave lahf_lm
bogomips : 4390.31
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

processor : 1
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 23
model name : Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4400 @ 2.20GHz
stepping : 10
cpu MHz : 1200.000
cache size : 1024 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 2
core id : 1
cpu cores : 2
apicid : 1
initial apicid : 1
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 13
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm xsave lahf_lm
bogomips : 4390.84
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

I rly dont think that CPU is causing problems.

pyther · 2010-04-03 18:16:51

Well it appears that cpu scaling is working as you processor maxes at 2.20GHz but you are clocked at 1200MHz. Can you do a lsmod on the other distro and then compare it to the output of lsmod on arch?

Last edited by pyther (2010-04-03 18:18:54)

hokasch · 2010-04-03 18:36:00

How do you check the temperature, lm-sensors? The fan should always keep the cpu at a certain temp-threshold chosen by the bios - can you "hear" a difference in fan activity between arch and Ubuntu?

webmasteryoda · 2010-04-03 19:14:24

Linux Mint 8 lsmod:

Module                  Size  Used by
binfmt_misc             8356  1 
ppdev                   6688  0 
vboxnetadp             78344  0 
vboxnetflt             84840  0 
vboxdrv               121160  1 vboxnetflt
dm_crypt               12928  0 
arc4                    1660  2 
ecb                     2524  2 
snd_hda_codec_realtek   203328  1 
snd_hda_intel          26920  2 
joydev                 10272  0 
snd_hda_codec          75708  2 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep               7200  1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm_oss            37920  0 
ath9k                 258744  0 
snd_mixer_oss          16028  1 snd_pcm_oss
mac80211              181236  1 ath9k
snd_pcm                75296  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_dummy           2656  0 
snd_seq_oss            28576  0 
ath                     8060  1 ath9k
snd_seq_midi            6432  0 
iptable_filter          3100  0 
snd_rawmidi            22208  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event      6940  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
ip_tables              11692  1 iptable_filter
snd_seq                50224  6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer              22276  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
cfg80211               93052  3 ath9k,mac80211,ath
x_tables               16544  1 ip_tables
uvcvideo               59080  0 
snd_seq_device          6920  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
fglrx                1989532  34 
snd                    59204  16 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
led_class               4096  1 ath9k
soundcore               7264  1 snd
snd_page_alloc          9156  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
videodev               36736  1 uvcvideo
atl1c                  30880  0 
v4l1_compat            14496  2 uvcvideo,videodev
psmouse                56180  0 
lp                      8964  0 
serio_raw               5280  0 
parport                35340  2 ppdev,lp
dm_raid45              84228  0 
xor                    15620  1 dm_raid45
usbhid                 38208  0 
video                  19380  0 
output                  2780  1 video
intel_agp              27484  0 
agpgart                34988  2 fglrx,intel_agp
ramzswap                8880  1 
xvmalloc                5180  1 ramzswap
lzo_decompress          2620  1 ramzswap
lzo_compress            2300  1 ramzswap

Arch lsmod:

Module                  Size  Used by
ipv6                  237596  14 
radeon                525058  2 
ttm                    31045  1 radeon
drm_kms_helper         21971  1 radeon
drm                   126556  5 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
i2c_algo_bit            4219  1 radeon
fuse                   51628  2 
joydev                  7768  0 
arc4                    1058  2 
ecb                     1545  2 
snd_hda_codec_realtek   179443  1 
snd_hda_intel          18985  2 
snd_hda_codec          56728  2 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
snd_seq_dummy           1099  0 
snd_seq_oss            25304  0 
snd_seq_midi_event      4452  1 snd_seq_oss
snd_seq                42628  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device          4313  3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
snd_pcm_oss            33693  0 
snd_hwdep               5102  1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm                57351  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_mixer_oss          14810  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer              16117  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
ath9k                 263503  0 
snd                    43847  15 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_mixer_oss,snd_timer
usbhid                 33579  0 
soundcore               5007  1 snd
mac80211              149018  1 ath9k
psmouse                56309  0 
i2c_i801                7122  0 
uvcvideo               54591  0 
iTCO_wdt                7577  0 
ath                     6552  1 ath9k
cpufreq_powersave        646  0 
intel_agp              23225  0 
videodev               31763  1 uvcvideo
hid                    61085  1 usbhid
v4l1_compat            13478  2 uvcvideo,videodev
cfg80211              106663  3 ath9k,mac80211,ath
uhci_hcd               19156  0 
ehci_hcd               31594  0 
snd_page_alloc          5841  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
pcspkr                  1347  0 
serio_raw               3620  0 
rfkill                 12320  1 cfg80211
atl1c                  26168  0 
i2c_core               15369  5 radeon,drm,i2c_algo_bit,i2c_i801,videodev
cpufreq_ondemand        6897  2 
agpgart                23331  3 ttm,drm,intel_agp
usbcore               118921  5 usbhid,uvcvideo,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
sg                     21079  0 
video                  14871  0 
iTCO_vendor_support     1453  1 iTCO_wdt
evdev                   6970  16 
output                  1404  1 video
ac                      2255  0 
battery                 7328  0 
thermal                 9326  0 
led_class               1933  1 ath9k
button                  3638  0 
wmi                     4083  0 
acpi_cpufreq            5631  0 
freq_table              1955  2 cpufreq_ondemand,acpi_cpufreq
processor              26526  3 acpi_cpufreq
rtc_cmos                7504  0 
rtc_core               12011  1 rtc_cmos
rtc_lib                 1450  1 rtc_core
ext4                  313138  2 
mbcache                 4278  1 ext4
jbd2                   68146  1 ext4
crc16                   1041  1 ext4
sr_mod                 13161  0 
sd_mod                 24101  5 
cdrom                  31625  1 sr_mod
ahci                   29834  4 
libata                135579  1 ahci
scsi_mod               78933  4 sg,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata

I am using lmsensors on Arch and some kind of panel sensor on Mint, but its ok for sure. Few minutes ago I checked temperature on Arch and it was 56 C. Then I rebooted and when I logged into Mint it was 56 C. But few mins later temperature normalized to 45 C in Mint. After lsmod I logged into Arch again and temperature raised to 54 C.

So its Arch problem for sure.

@hokasch
I am not sure about noise level of fans. Sounds similar to me. But maybe its a fan problem. I know its sometimes loud and sometimes silent. Probably depends on the system temperature. Maybe Arch cant control it normaly. Is there any kind of software that is used for fan speed ?

Last edited by webmasteryoda (2010-04-03 19:18:38)

Fackamato · 2010-04-04 13:35:43

Are you using a framebuffer in Arch? If so, skip it. What driver are you using for xorg? Try switching to vesa, to see if temperatures change.

webmasteryoda · 2010-04-04 15:38:49

Well I found the cause of the problem.

It was video driver. I used an open source driver and now I installed Catalyst test 10.4.444 and NO overheating.

With
cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/* | grep rate
with open source driver it was 3400 mA

Now with fglrx I have 1800 mA and laptop temperature is ~45 C (finaly).

But
I didnt managed to set it properly. I dont have problems with temperature anymore. Now its graphic problems....

Now, windows in KDE are dragging slowly and leaving "ghostlike" trails. Sometimes part of the desktop jumps over active window. No composite.

Here`s my xorg.conf:

Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier     "aticonfig Layout"
    Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Files"
        RgbPath      "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
        ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/TTF"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
EndSection

Section "Module"
        Load  "extmod"
        Load  "dbe"
        Load  "xtrap"
        Load  "record"
        Load  "dri"
        Load  "glx"
        Load  "GLcore"
        Load  "freetype"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
    Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
    Option        "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
    Option        "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
    Option        "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
    Driver      "fglrx"
    Option        "UseFastTLS" "2"
    Option        "VideoOverlay" "on"
    Option        "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
    Option        "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
    Option        "KernelModuleParm" "agplock=0"
    Option        "AccelMethod" "XAA"
    Option        "EnablePageFlip" "true"
    Option        "no_dri" "no"
    Option        "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
    Option        "CenterMode" "off"
    BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
    Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
    Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
    DefaultDepth     24
    SubSection "Display"
        Viewport   0 0
        Depth     24
    EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
        Mode 0666
EndSection

And here is fglrx 10.4.444 aticonfig --help output:
http://pastebin.com/fdcd3PrL

Any tip for seting this driver ?

Thx inadvance
Yoda

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