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Hi ppl.
I have Acer Aspire 5732 Z laptop. Intel Pentium processor T4400 2.2 GHz. Ati Mobility Radeon HD 4570 512 MB VRAM, 15.6", 3 GB RAM, 320 GB HDD.
I successfully solved all the problems during the installation, but this one I can not handle. The laptop is HEATING too much. I also have Ubuntu 9.10 on the other partition and its all fine. Its working on the temperature of ~46 C. And my Arch is working on the temperature of ~60 C. So its about 15 C difference between Ubuntu and Arch. Way too much.
Arch is running in KDE mode. Have to add that I installed all KDE packages. Maybe the cause of this problem ?
I am using the proprietary Ati Radeon driver. I tried to change it with open source Ati driver but Xorg refused to configure again (gave me a blank screen).
I checked Wiki on laptop, but didnt succeded to solve this problem. Here s my rc.conf:
MODULES=( acpi-cpufreq )
DAEMONS=(syslog-ng dbus hal !acpid !acpi-support powernowd wicd !network !netfs alsa crond laptop-mode kdm)
powernowd configuration:
OPTIONS="-q -u 30 -l 10"
acpi-support is blacklisted because I installed it from AUR and didnt managed it to work. Its just saying "no permission" during the boot. I actually installed it because I read that its Ubuntus Acpi management. ~ I repeat Acpi is working fine on my Ubuntu.
I can also show my laptop-mode configuration files - if needed.
I am a newbie for Arch but I rlly done my best on this issue as I want to use this system. I think its great and highly configurable and I just love the fact its a rolling distro. But I cant use it overheating.
So, please help.
Last edited by webmasteryoda (2010-04-05 19:10:54)
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My first guess would be that this is due to your modules list is incomplete. If you want a CPU throttler running, you must add the appropriate governor to the modules list.
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Isnt this enough ?
MODULES=( acpi-cpufreq )
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see the "scaling governors" section of the link skripka posted. you should add something like cpufreq_ondemand.
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Here is an example on how to do it:
MODULES=(acpi-cpufreq cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_powersave)
You can also add cpufreq to your daemons list, but don't forget to edit /etc/conf.d/cpufreq and uncomment the line that has the governor in it.
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see the "scaling governors" section of the link skripka posted. you should add something like cpufreq_ondemand.
I checked this solution too..... still no success.... (((
Even tried to install Gnome....... nothing better
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I checked this solution too..... still no success.... (((
Even tried to install Gnome....... nothing better
If the cpu governor is configured and the CPU is throttling down when idle, the only other thing that could be causing high temps are CPU intensive processes that are running. Check your system monitor.
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webmasteryoda wrote:I checked this solution too..... still no success.... (((
Even tried to install Gnome....... nothing better
If the cpu governor is configured and the CPU is throttling down when idle, the only other thing that could be causing high temps are CPU intensive processes that are running. Check your system monitor.
Yes it is properly configured......... and system monitor is clean........
I think that I m doomed with this problem..... no solution.....
But I realy cant believe that in Ubuntu all works well.... temperatures even below 44 C. Atm 55 C in Arch....
I tried everything..... no success.
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The video card may be to blame, or really, maybe KDE's window manager is to blame because it's using some 3D compositing or something like that.
I'd try getting a temperature reading without a DE running.
Last edited by Odysseus (2010-03-25 16:07:03)
I'm the type to fling myself headlong through the magical wardrobe, and then incinerate the ornate mahogany portal behind me with a Molotov cocktail.
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I tried Gnome.... and no changes.....
So I have to eliminate systems GUI as a possible cause.
Still checking video driver. Hoping to solve this after driver change to Ati open source video.
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Checked video driver....
Its a same situation no matter what driver I use....
I practically gave up....
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What acpi modules are loaded? What does
find /sys/ |grep governor
give you?
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I gave up.... for now....
But heres what Linux Mint 8 gave me:
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuidle/current_governor_ro
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
I repeat again..... Mint is functional and no heating problems.... Just Arch.... But I think I didnt used those utils / governors....
I tried powernowd, laptop-mode....
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I gave up.... for now....
But heres what Linux Mint 8 gave me:
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuidle/current_governor_ro
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_available_governorsI repeat again..... Mint is functional and no heating problems.... Just Arch.... But I think I didnt used those utils / governors....
I tried powernowd, laptop-mode....
If you would've loaded the correct modules, and used the correct user space utilities, it would've probably worked.
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I am sure it would..... but I tried all sorts of combinations.
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Did you check with powertop if the CPU is using the power states correctly i.e. lowering the clock rate?
no place like /home
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No I didnt....
But its too late now. Because I removed Arch. I ll try Kubuntu 10.04, and hopefully move again to Arch if I solve the problem / find a cause of this problem.
I ll reactivate this topic in 30-45 days when I get a better picture.
thx
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Did you check with powertop if the CPU is using the power states correctly i.e. lowering the clock rate?
Cn Avg residency P-states (frequencies)
C0 (cpu running) (30.9%) 2.21 Ghz 1.9%
polling 0.9ms ( 0.0%) 1.60 Ghz 1.0%
C1 mwait 0.1ms ( 0.0%) 1200 Mhz 97.1%
C3 mwait 0.0ms (69.0%)
Wakeups-from-idle per second : 35798.0 interval: 15.0s
no ACPI power usage estimate available
Top causes for wakeups:
22.5% (162.2) firefox : hrtimer_start_range_ns (hrtimer_wakeup)
21.0% (151.4) <interrupt> : extra timer interrupt
17.6% (127.1) <kernel core> : hrtimer_start_range_ns (tick_sched_timer)
15.6% (112.5) amarok : hrtimer_start_range_ns (hrtimer_wakeup)
6.5% ( 46.9) <interrupt> : HDA Intel
3.2% ( 22.9) <interrupt> : ehci_hcd:usb2, uhci_hcd:usb4
3.2% ( 22.9) USB device 4-1 : USB Optical Mouse (Logitech)
2.9% ( 21.0) <interrupt> : acpi
1.2% ( 8.5) <interrupt> : ahci
0.9% ( 6.7) <kernel IPI> : Rescheduling interrupts
Suggestion: Enable USB autosuspend by pressing the U key or adding
usbcore.autosuspend=1 to the kernel command line in the grub config
-------------------------------------------------------------
This is powertops output. I reinstalled Arch to try again, but still no success.
Btw, I think that CPU is not a problem. Its scaling down very nice. Even when I activate powersave governor - its still high temperature... So if CPU s not a problem, what is ? Maybe hard disk or video..... ?
Here s my modules and daemons:
MODULES=(acpi-cpufreq cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_powersave)
DAEMONS=(!network syslog-ng dbus hal cpufreq laptop-mode !netfs crond alsa wicd kdm)
I just dont understand... Should I post laptop-mode conf ?
Last edited by webmasteryoda (2010-04-03 18:11:11)
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What does cat /proc/cpuinfo report particularly the cpu MHz line? Also, what about cpufreq-info?
Ok.... here it is...
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 23
model name : Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4400 @ 2.20GHz
stepping : 10
cpu MHz : 1200.000
cache size : 1024 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 2
core id : 0
cpu cores : 2
apicid : 0
initial apicid : 0
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 13
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm xsave lahf_lm
bogomips : 4390.31
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:
processor : 1
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 23
model name : Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4400 @ 2.20GHz
stepping : 10
cpu MHz : 1200.000
cache size : 1024 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 2
core id : 1
cpu cores : 2
apicid : 1
initial apicid : 1
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 13
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm xsave lahf_lm
bogomips : 4390.84
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:
I rly dont think that CPU is causing problems.
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Well it appears that cpu scaling is working as you processor maxes at 2.20GHz but you are clocked at 1200MHz. Can you do a lsmod on the other distro and then compare it to the output of lsmod on arch?
Last edited by pyther (2010-04-03 18:18:54)
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How do you check the temperature, lm-sensors? The fan should always keep the cpu at a certain temp-threshold chosen by the bios - can you "hear" a difference in fan activity between arch and Ubuntu?
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Linux Mint 8 lsmod:
Module Size Used by
binfmt_misc 8356 1
ppdev 6688 0
vboxnetadp 78344 0
vboxnetflt 84840 0
vboxdrv 121160 1 vboxnetflt
dm_crypt 12928 0
arc4 1660 2
ecb 2524 2
snd_hda_codec_realtek 203328 1
snd_hda_intel 26920 2
joydev 10272 0
snd_hda_codec 75708 2 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep 7200 1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm_oss 37920 0
ath9k 258744 0
snd_mixer_oss 16028 1 snd_pcm_oss
mac80211 181236 1 ath9k
snd_pcm 75296 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_dummy 2656 0
snd_seq_oss 28576 0
ath 8060 1 ath9k
snd_seq_midi 6432 0
iptable_filter 3100 0
snd_rawmidi 22208 1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event 6940 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
ip_tables 11692 1 iptable_filter
snd_seq 50224 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer 22276 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
cfg80211 93052 3 ath9k,mac80211,ath
x_tables 16544 1 ip_tables
uvcvideo 59080 0
snd_seq_device 6920 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
fglrx 1989532 34
snd 59204 16 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
led_class 4096 1 ath9k
soundcore 7264 1 snd
snd_page_alloc 9156 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
videodev 36736 1 uvcvideo
atl1c 30880 0
v4l1_compat 14496 2 uvcvideo,videodev
psmouse 56180 0
lp 8964 0
serio_raw 5280 0
parport 35340 2 ppdev,lp
dm_raid45 84228 0
xor 15620 1 dm_raid45
usbhid 38208 0
video 19380 0
output 2780 1 video
intel_agp 27484 0
agpgart 34988 2 fglrx,intel_agp
ramzswap 8880 1
xvmalloc 5180 1 ramzswap
lzo_decompress 2620 1 ramzswap
lzo_compress 2300 1 ramzswap
Arch lsmod:
Module Size Used by
ipv6 237596 14
radeon 525058 2
ttm 31045 1 radeon
drm_kms_helper 21971 1 radeon
drm 126556 5 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
i2c_algo_bit 4219 1 radeon
fuse 51628 2
joydev 7768 0
arc4 1058 2
ecb 1545 2
snd_hda_codec_realtek 179443 1
snd_hda_intel 18985 2
snd_hda_codec 56728 2 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
snd_seq_dummy 1099 0
snd_seq_oss 25304 0
snd_seq_midi_event 4452 1 snd_seq_oss
snd_seq 42628 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device 4313 3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
snd_pcm_oss 33693 0
snd_hwdep 5102 1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm 57351 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_mixer_oss 14810 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer 16117 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
ath9k 263503 0
snd 43847 15 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_mixer_oss,snd_timer
usbhid 33579 0
soundcore 5007 1 snd
mac80211 149018 1 ath9k
psmouse 56309 0
i2c_i801 7122 0
uvcvideo 54591 0
iTCO_wdt 7577 0
ath 6552 1 ath9k
cpufreq_powersave 646 0
intel_agp 23225 0
videodev 31763 1 uvcvideo
hid 61085 1 usbhid
v4l1_compat 13478 2 uvcvideo,videodev
cfg80211 106663 3 ath9k,mac80211,ath
uhci_hcd 19156 0
ehci_hcd 31594 0
snd_page_alloc 5841 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
pcspkr 1347 0
serio_raw 3620 0
rfkill 12320 1 cfg80211
atl1c 26168 0
i2c_core 15369 5 radeon,drm,i2c_algo_bit,i2c_i801,videodev
cpufreq_ondemand 6897 2
agpgart 23331 3 ttm,drm,intel_agp
usbcore 118921 5 usbhid,uvcvideo,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
sg 21079 0
video 14871 0
iTCO_vendor_support 1453 1 iTCO_wdt
evdev 6970 16
output 1404 1 video
ac 2255 0
battery 7328 0
thermal 9326 0
led_class 1933 1 ath9k
button 3638 0
wmi 4083 0
acpi_cpufreq 5631 0
freq_table 1955 2 cpufreq_ondemand,acpi_cpufreq
processor 26526 3 acpi_cpufreq
rtc_cmos 7504 0
rtc_core 12011 1 rtc_cmos
rtc_lib 1450 1 rtc_core
ext4 313138 2
mbcache 4278 1 ext4
jbd2 68146 1 ext4
crc16 1041 1 ext4
sr_mod 13161 0
sd_mod 24101 5
cdrom 31625 1 sr_mod
ahci 29834 4
libata 135579 1 ahci
scsi_mod 78933 4 sg,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata
I am using lmsensors on Arch and some kind of panel sensor on Mint, but its ok for sure. Few minutes ago I checked temperature on Arch and it was 56 C. Then I rebooted and when I logged into Mint it was 56 C. But few mins later temperature normalized to 45 C in Mint. After lsmod I logged into Arch again and temperature raised to 54 C.
So its Arch problem for sure.
@hokasch
I am not sure about noise level of fans. Sounds similar to me. But maybe its a fan problem. I know its sometimes loud and sometimes silent. Probably depends on the system temperature. Maybe Arch cant control it normaly. Is there any kind of software that is used for fan speed ?
Last edited by webmasteryoda (2010-04-03 19:18:38)
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Are you using a framebuffer in Arch? If so, skip it. What driver are you using for xorg? Try switching to vesa, to see if temperatures change.
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Well I found the cause of the problem.
It was video driver. I used an open source driver and now I installed Catalyst test 10.4.444 and NO overheating.
With
cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/* | grep rate
with open source driver it was 3400 mA
Now with fglrx I have 1800 mA and laptop temperature is ~45 C (finaly).
But
I didnt managed to set it properly. I dont have problems with temperature anymore. Now its graphic problems....
Now, windows in KDE are dragging slowly and leaving "ghostlike" trails. Sometimes part of the desktop jumps over active window. No composite.
Here`s my xorg.conf:
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "aticonfig Layout"
Screen 0 "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0
EndSection
Section "Files"
RgbPath "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
EndSection
Section "Module"
Load "extmod"
Load "dbe"
Load "xtrap"
Load "record"
Load "dri"
Load "glx"
Load "GLcore"
Load "freetype"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
Option "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
Option "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
Option "DPMS" "true"
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
Driver "fglrx"
Option "UseFastTLS" "2"
Option "VideoOverlay" "on"
Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
Option "KernelModuleParm" "agplock=0"
Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
Option "EnablePageFlip" "true"
Option "no_dri" "no"
Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
Option "CenterMode" "off"
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
Device "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
Monitor "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection
Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection
And here is fglrx 10.4.444 aticonfig --help output:
http://pastebin.com/fdcd3PrL
Any tip for seting this driver ?
Thx inadvance
Yoda
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