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#1 2012-04-27 17:17:26

peoro
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Window manager with vertical decorations?

Hello,

I've got a widescreen monitor, and am feeling the urge to destroy anything that could steal vertical space.
Already moved the panel to the left, now the only thing left is the window decoration.
Is there any window manager that supports placing the window decorations on a side, instead of on top?

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#2 2012-04-27 17:23:14

ANOKNUSA
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

KWin and Openbox come to mind.  I seem to recall either Fluxbox or PekWM allowing it also.

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#3 2012-04-27 18:15:47

hsngrms
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

I know that possible with FVWM. IDK how to do that, but certainly want to know.
http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktop … enshot.png

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#4 2012-04-27 21:24:40

peoro
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

hsngrms wrote:

I know that possible with FVWM. IDK how to do that, but certainly want to know.
http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktop … enshot.png

Yup, that screenshot shows exactly what i'd love to get... Configuring FVMW looks like a mess though, and couldn't find how to set the titlebar on a side

ANOKNUSA wrote:

KWin and Openbox come to mind.  I seem to recall either Fluxbox or PekWM allowing it also.

Could you give us some hints on how to configure those WMs to have a lateral titlebar?

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#5 2012-04-27 21:29:22

Yurlungur
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

e17 Allows for this sort of configuration out of the box using simple GUIs.


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#6 2012-04-27 21:32:59

2ManyDogs
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

flwm does this by default:

2012_03_07_061425_1280x1024_scrot.jpg

and so does wm2:

2012_03_12_143715_1280x1024_scrot.jpg

both are in the AUR

There are also WMs like evilwm, sithwm, and cwm that have no window decorations at all.

Last edited by 2ManyDogs (2012-04-27 22:05:35)

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#7 2012-04-27 21:36:41

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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

peoro wrote:

Could you give us some hints on how to configure those WMs to have a lateral titlebar?

I don't think it is possible in Openbox. In KDE4 you'll need Bespin, there is an option that makes this possible. Any other way to do this?


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#8 2012-04-28 01:30:18

peoro
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

Yurlungur wrote:

e17 Allows for this sort of configuration out of the box using simple GUIs.

I'm giving e17 the first shot, since FLWM and WM2 don't have a modern aspect, and I'm not using KDE.

Can't find the option you wrote about though, where am I supposed to find it?

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#9 2012-04-28 01:30:58

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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

peoro wrote:

Configuring FVMW looks like a mess though

I testify that configuring FVWM is, indeed, a mess. FVWM sure is powerful and stable, but after two weeks of getting nowhere, I gave up trying to learn how to configure it. sad

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#10 2012-04-28 02:22:50

Yurlungur
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

peoro wrote:
Yurlungur wrote:

e17 Allows for this sort of configuration out of the box using simple GUIs.

I'm giving e17 the first shot, since FLWM and WM2 don't have a modern aspect, and I'm not using KDE.

Can't find the option you wrote about though, where am I supposed to find it?

You want to configure a shelf for yourself. You'll put a menu bar in there, any gadgets you want (such as a workspace selector) and a system tray, which is an ibar module in e17. When I used e17, I spent a lot of time on the Bodhi Linux site, since they by far have the best documentation on it.


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#11 2012-04-28 02:53:15

peoro
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

Yurlungur wrote:
peoro wrote:
Yurlungur wrote:

e17 Allows for this sort of configuration out of the box using simple GUIs.

I'm giving e17 the first shot, since FLWM and WM2 don't have a modern aspect, and I'm not using KDE.

Can't find the option you wrote about though, where am I supposed to find it?

You want to configure a shelf for yourself. You'll put a menu bar in there, any gadgets you want (such as a workspace selector) and a system tray, which is an ibar module in e17. When I used e17, I spent a lot of time on the Bodhi Linux site, since they by far have the best documentation on it.

Uh?
Wait...
Any major desktop environment lets you put the shelves/docks/panels wherever you want.
I'm looking for a window manager that draws the title bar on a side of the windows, instead of on top of them.

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#12 2012-04-28 03:39:12

peoro
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

SanskritFritz wrote:
peoro wrote:

Could you give us some hints on how to configure those WMs to have a lateral titlebar?

I don't think it is possible in Openbox. In KDE4 you'll need Bespin, there is an option that makes this possible. Any other way to do this?

It works!
It not very configurable, but it looks like Bespin is the only modern WM that supports vertical titlebars.

I think I'll try switching to KDE instead of just running kwin. I'm sick of Gnome3 anyway...

Last edited by peoro (2012-04-28 03:39:37)

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#13 2012-04-28 06:36:41

Yurlungur
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

peoro wrote:
Yurlungur wrote:
peoro wrote:

I'm giving e17 the first shot, since FLWM and WM2 don't have a modern aspect, and I'm not using KDE.

Can't find the option you wrote about though, where am I supposed to find it?

You want to configure a shelf for yourself. You'll put a menu bar in there, any gadgets you want (such as a workspace selector) and a system tray, which is an ibar module in e17. When I used e17, I spent a lot of time on the Bodhi Linux site, since they by far have the best documentation on it.

Uh?
Wait...
Any major desktop environment lets you put the shelves/docks/panels wherever you want.
I'm looking for a window manager that draws the title bar on a side of the windows, instead of on top of them.

Oh sorry. I completely misunderstood. Sorry about that! [/embarassed]


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#14 2012-05-04 18:12:55

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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

hsngrms wrote:

I know that possible with FVWM. IDK how to do that, but certainly want to know.
http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktop … enshot.png

yes it is possible, and is kind of simple i think. look at the man page (surprise) and search for 'Window title' at around line 5560. here is what i have in my .fvwm2rc

Style * TitleAtLeft

you might also want to (or not) to rotate the title, and the title-decoration i.e.

Style * LeftTitleRotatedCCW
Style * UseTitleDecorRotation

edit-1 : i think it would be *really* nice if the length of the title-bar could be made configurable somehow, something similar to beos decorations iirc.

kind regards
anupam

Last edited by signal11 (2012-05-04 18:16:47)

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#15 2012-05-04 20:25:00

Stefan Husmann
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

Sawfish can do this, too, at least in the git version.

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#16 2012-05-05 05:38:49

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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

Stefan Husmann wrote:

Sawfish can do this, too, at least in the git version.

oh, that is good to know. i played with sawfish a very looong time ago, but finally discovered (rather gathered the courage to tackle) fvwm. haven't looked back since. btw, do you know if sawfish supports partial title-bars ?

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#17 2012-05-14 14:54:51

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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

signal11 wrote:
hsngrms wrote:

I know that possible with FVWM. IDK how to do that, but certainly want to know.
http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktop … enshot.png

yes it is possible, and is kind of simple i think. look at the man page (surprise) and search for 'Window title' at around line 5560. here is what i have in my .fvwm2rc

Style * TitleAtLeft

you might also want to (or not) to rotate the title, and the title-decoration i.e.

Style * LeftTitleRotatedCCW
Style * UseTitleDecorRotation

edit-1 : i think it would be *really* nice if the length of the title-bar could be made configurable somehow, something similar to beos decorations iirc.

kind regards
anupam

Oh, thanks for tips. I wanna try smile

Edit: Desktop like BeOS/Haiku would be great.
http://www.haiku-os.org/files/slideshow … rowser.png
http://www.haiku-os.org/files/slideshow … rowser.png

Last edited by hsngrms (2012-05-14 14:58:37)

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#18 2012-05-14 15:43:45

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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

hsngrms wrote:

Desktop like BeOS/Haiku would be great.

I totally agree! I had a thread about setting up a desktop like that a while ago: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=103928

I couldn't make Arch Linux behave like Haiku, so I just installed Haiku instead and now dual boot. tongue

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#19 2012-05-15 07:37:35

signal11
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

hsngrms wrote:
signal11 wrote:
hsngrms wrote:

I know that possible with FVWM. IDK how to do that, but certainly want to know.
http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktop … enshot.png

yes it is possible, and is kind of simple i think. look at the man page (surprise) and search for 'Window title' at around line 5560. here is what i have in my .fvwm2rc

Style * TitleAtLeft

you might also want to (or not) to rotate the title, and the title-decoration i.e.

Style * LeftTitleRotatedCCW
Style * UseTitleDecorRotation

edit-1 : i think it would be *really* nice if the length of the title-bar could be made configurable somehow, something similar to beos decorations iirc.

kind regards
anupam

Oh, thanks for tips. I wanna try smile

Edit: Desktop like BeOS/Haiku would be great.
http://www.haiku-os.org/files/slideshow … rowser.png
http://www.haiku-os.org/files/slideshow … rowser.png

please do let me know if you are looking for the relevant configuration. i have been meaning to put it up on github for a long time, and this would be just the trigger that i need. fwiw, i have a slightly brutalized configuration from tavis-ormandy to suit my needs.

kind regards
anupam

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#20 2012-05-20 23:39:02

ThomasAdam
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Re: Window manager with vertical decorations?

signal11 wrote:

please do let me know if you are looking for the relevant configuration. i have been meaning to put it up on github for a long time, and this would be just the trigger that i need. fwiw, i have a slightly brutalized configuration from tavis-ormandy to suit my needs.

With a patch, it's possible,

-- Thomas Adam

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