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Hi!
I have a problem upgrading glib:
:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
Targets (1): glibc-2.16.0-2
Total Installed Size: 37,58 MiB
Net Upgrade Size: 0,00 MiB
Proceed with installation? [Y/n] Y
(1/1) checking package integrity [-------------------------------------------] 100%
(1/1) loading package files [-------------------------------------------] 100%
(1/1) checking for file conflicts [-------------------------------------------] 100%
error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
glibc: /lib exists in filesystem
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.I've already done the next:
pacman -Syu --ignore glibc
pacman -Subut glib refuses to upgrade.
By performing this:
$ find /lib -exec pacman -Qo -- {} +I have this output
error: cannot determine ownership of directory '/lib'
/lib/libnss_nisplus-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libpthread-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_hesiod-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libdl-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libanl-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libresolv-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnsl-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_hesiod.so.2 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_db.so.2 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_compat.so.2 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/librt.so.1 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libc.so.6 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libcidn.so.1 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libmemusage.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libutil-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_nis-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libthread_db-1.0.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libutil.so.1 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_nisplus.so.2 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libBrokenLocale.so.1 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libcrypt-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libdl.so.2 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libpthread.so.0 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_files-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_compat-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_db-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libanl.so.1 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libm.so.6 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libm-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_dns.so.2 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnsl.so.1 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/librt-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/ld-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_files.so.2 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libBrokenLocale-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libpcprofile.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libc-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libSegFault.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libthread_db.so.1 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_nis.so.2 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libcrypt.so.1 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libnss_dns-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libcidn-2.16.so is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1
/lib/libresolv.so.2 is owned by glibc 2.16.0-1Any solution?
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Did you delete some files manually from /lib ? I think thats not enough to make pacman happy.
Run the grep line from here (under Issue 2) to see if there are still packages owning possibly nonexistent files in /lib.
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Did you delete some files manually from /lib ? I think thats not enough to make pacman happy.
Run the grep line from here (under Issue 2) to see if there are still packages owning possibly nonexistent files in /lib.
Wow!
This is the putput of
grep '^lib/' /var/lib/pacman/local/*/filesWhat I'm supposed to do with all these files?
/var/lib/pacman/local/belkin-f5d8055-2.5.0.3-1/files:lib/
/var/lib/pacman/local/belkin-f5d8055-2.5.0.3-1/files:lib/modules/
/var/lib/pacman/local/belkin-f5d8055-2.5.0.3-1/files:lib/modules/3.3.7-1-ARCH/
/var/lib/pacman/local/belkin-f5d8055-2.5.0.3-1/files:lib/modules/3.3.7-1-ARCH/kernel/
/var/lib/pacman/local/belkin-f5d8055-2.5.0.3-1/files:lib/modules/3.3.7-1-ARCH/kernel/drivers/
/var/lib/pacman/local/belkin-f5d8055-2.5.0.3-1/files:lib/modules/3.3.7-1-ARCH/kernel/drivers/net/
/var/lib/pacman/local/belkin-f5d8055-2.5.0.3-1/files:lib/modules/3.3.7-1-ARCH/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
/var/lib/pacman/local/belkin-f5d8055-2.5.0.3-1/files:lib/modules/3.3.7-1-ARCH/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt5370sta.ko
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/3.3.7-1-ARCH/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/compat/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/compat/compat.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bcma/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bcma/bcma.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/ath3k.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/bcm203x.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/bfusb.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/bluecard_cs.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/bpa10x.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/bt3c_cs.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/btmrvl.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/btmrvl_sdio.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/btsdio.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/btuart_cs.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/btusb.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/btwilink.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/dtl1_cs.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/hci_uart.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/bluetooth/hci_vhci.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/misc/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/misc/eeprom/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/misc/eeprom/eeprom_93cx6.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/ethernet/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atl1c/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atl1c/atl1c.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atl1e/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atl1e/atl1e.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atlx/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atlx/atl1.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atlx/atl2.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/ethernet/broadcom/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/ethernet/broadcom/b44.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/usb/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/usb/cdc_ether.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/usb/rndis_host.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/usb/usbnet.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/adm8211.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/at76c50x-usb.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath5k/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath5k/ath5k.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath6kl/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath6kl/ath6kl.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k_common.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k_htc.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k_hw.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/carl9170/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ath/carl9170/carl9170.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/b43/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/b43/b43.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/b43legacy/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/b43legacy/b43legacy.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/brcm80211/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/brcm80211/brcmfmac/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/brcm80211/brcmfmac/brcmfmac.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/brcm80211/brcmsmac/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/brcm80211/brcmsmac/brcmsmac.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/brcm80211/brcmutil/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/brcm80211/brcmutil/brcmutil.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2x00/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2x00/ipw2100.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2x00/ipw2200.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2x00/libipw.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/iwlegacy/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/iwlegacy/iwl3945.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/iwlegacy/iwl4965.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/iwlegacy/iwlegacy.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/iwmc3200wifi/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/iwmc3200wifi/iwmc3200wifi.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/libertas.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/libertas_cs.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/libertas_sdio.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/usb8xxx.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/libertas_tf/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/libertas_tf/libertas_tf.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/libertas_tf/libertas_tf_usb.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/mac80211_hwsim.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/mwifiex/
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/mwifiex/mwifiex.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/mwifiex/mwifiex_pcie.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/mwifiex/mwifiex_sdio.ko.gz
/var/lib/pacman/local/compat-wireless-patched-3.3_2_n-3/files:lib/modules/extramodules-3.3-ARCH/drivers/net/wireless/mwl8k.ko.gz
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Update the packages that provide them (manually modifying PKGBUILDs and recompiling as necessary), or remove them.
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Or remove the packages if you no longer need them (which may be the case as you just deleted the files).
edit: Ah, WorMzy already said remove.
Last edited by Barrucadu (2012-07-25 12:45:28)
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search the forums. a bunch of threads on this issue.
closing...
There's no such thing as a stupid question, but there sure are a lot of inquisitive idiots !
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