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#1 2012-11-17 13:38:10

Ypnose
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[systemd]Will systemd drop fstab in the future?

Hi Archers,

Today, when I was reading systemd man, and I saw the following pages: systemd.mount & systemd.automount. It says we can create "native" systemd units instead of fstab (we still have fstab support).
I asked me one question: In the future, will fstab disappear?
Actually, I found messages on the Fedora mailing list about it. But it was one year ago and just about Fedora.
Could you tell me what Archlinux developers think?

It's just a question without any trolls.
Thank you.


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#2 2012-11-17 13:39:10

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Re: [systemd]Will systemd drop fstab in the future?

I don't think the devs will force a change like that on th community.


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#3 2012-11-17 16:33:55

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Re: [systemd]Will systemd drop fstab in the future?

I can't speak for the devs here, but imho this would be pointless since fstab is far simpler than writing mount units - afaik even upstream recommends using fstab instead of writing your own mount units.

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#4 2012-11-17 16:36:25

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Re: [systemd]Will systemd drop fstab in the future?

I saw something from Lennart Poeterring (which I can't find anymore, but I thinkn it was from a mailing list) that says that there is no plan to replace fstab.  The generator works fine, and fstab is something that should stay for compatibility reasons.

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#5 2012-11-18 05:21:03

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Re: [systemd]Will systemd drop fstab in the future?

Until systemd suport fstab and until systemd devs recommend fstab (indiferent is for compatibility or not) and until other distros not remove fstab
I  sure that  Arch not goin anyting

but if distros drop ot arch dev probably begin to quostionate it and
but if systemd drop fstab support, you are sure that arch dev think seriously in what make ( and watching the last year changes I sure that they want drop it)


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#6 2012-11-18 14:39:23

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Re: [systemd]Will systemd drop fstab in the future?

fstab file is really simple and still powerful. Units seem to be more complicated even if they add new features (and apparently you need a unit file for every mount). That's why I was a bit worried.
I'm sure Arch devs won't drop it suddenly. It's rather related to systemd devs.
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#7 2012-11-18 22:33:55

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Re: [systemd]Will systemd drop fstab in the future?

I am sure they wont drop it. In the man page it is only stated that you are capable of doing it.
Quote (man systemd.mount):

Mount units may either be configured via unit files, or via /etc/fstab (see fstab(5) for details). Mounts listed in /etc/fstab will be converted into native units dynamically at boot and when the configuration of the system manager is reloaded. See systemd-fstab-generator(8) for details about the conversion.

I think you were talking about that particular notice?

I think it just means that you can do it if you want to, the units just take precedence over /etc/fstab.

On the other hand, we have now two things that can handle the same thing. So it would make sense to remove the older one because it is unnecessary.
However I have never written a [Unit] before. Let alone configuring a boot unit ? I guess I wouldn't be very happy if they migrated to pure systemd, even though i like the though of a "pure" systemd configuration.

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#8 2012-11-18 22:57:24

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Re: [systemd]Will systemd drop fstab in the future?

Systemd generates unit files for stuff it mounts (when reading fstab). I think you can copy those.


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#9 2012-11-19 05:32:52

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Re: [systemd]Will systemd drop fstab in the future?

It will come with "features" like binary logs.


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#10 2012-11-19 06:04:27

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Re: [systemd]Will systemd drop fstab in the future?

Thaodan wrote:

It will come with "features" like binary logs.

Stop being a troll. If you have nothing constructive to add, just don't post.


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