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#26 2012-11-23 11:26:23

cedricmc
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Re: Arch linux without Systemd

dolby wrote:

systemD is much more than the rc scripts. Are you gonna be replacing the other parts as well or your only issue is with systemD's service files?

It is not systemD (nor Systemd), but systemd. On high holidays you may also spell it sÿstëmd.

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#27 2012-11-23 12:16:41

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Re: Arch linux without Systemd

i've looked a bit into replacing systemd, and it seems to me there are 3 things that could/need to be replaced :

- the init system
- udev
- logind

there are several alternative init systems around, and also udev has been forked a few times.

replacing logind could be done by compiling polkit with specifc ./configure options to use alternative methods for authenticating.
consolekit is one of those alternatives, unix groups are another.

In short, archlinux without systemd seems doable.


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Automounting : not needed, i prefer pmount
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#28 2012-11-23 13:20:05

Earnestly
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Re: Arch linux without Systemd

Lone_Wolf wrote:

- udev

Nope. Where did you get this impression?

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#29 2012-11-23 23:52:15

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Re: Arch linux without Systemd

brain0 wrote:
89c51 wrote:

Yes bad example. I was looking at logrotate and cronie which don't seem -to ignorant me at least- to be needed. At least nothing requires them on my system.

Many package require a cron daemon, and systemd does not offer the full functionality of cron. The same with logrotate: I still have log files in /var/log/ (for example, from apache) that need rotation. I guess neither of those packages is going away.


Thanks for the answer. I believe systemd will gain full crone functionality at some point and some packages will probably be made to work better with the journal log.

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#30 2012-11-24 09:05:02

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Re: Arch linux without Systemd

Lone_Wolf wrote:

i've looked a bit into replacing systemd, and it seems to me there are 3 things that could/need to be replaced :

- the init system
- udev
- logind

there are several alternative init systems around, and also udev has been forked a few times.

replacing logind could be done by compiling polkit with specifc ./configure options to use alternative methods for authenticating.
consolekit is one of those alternatives, unix groups are another.

In short, archlinux without systemd seems doable.

cd systemd
./configure --stuff --and --flags --as --needed
make udevd
echo '!next'

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#31 2012-12-09 03:24:54

zwa
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Re: Arch linux without Systemd

I just read (in the forums) that there are some good experiences from users running openrc with archlinux, so yes it is possible.

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#32 2012-12-09 15:09:06

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Re: Arch linux without Systemd

cedricmc wrote:
dolby wrote:

systemD is much more than the rc scripts. Are you gonna be replacing the other parts as well or your only issue is with systemD's service files?

It is not systemD (nor Systemd), but systemd. On high holidays you may also spell it sÿstëmd.

Socking news. That changes everything. smile


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#33 2014-07-13 21:57:41

mmix
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Re: Arch linux without Systemd

is there arch without systemd?
i want less distro without complexity..
http://boycottsystemd.org/

Using Udev Without Systemd Is Going To Become Harder

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#34 2014-07-13 22:02:39

karol
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#35 2014-07-13 22:11:00

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Re: Arch linux without Systemd

mmix wrote:

is there arch without systemd?
i want less distro without complexity..
http://boycottsystemd.org/

Using Udev Without Systemd Is Going To Become Harder

Get a blog for the links, leave dead threads alone, and accept that Arch is a systemd distribution and practically all other distributions will be (or already are) too.


We all make choices, but in the end, our choices make us.

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#36 2014-07-13 22:14:16

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Re: Arch linux without Systemd

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