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#1 2012-12-27 19:39:48

JLloyd13
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Bad tearing in Openbox

did a fresh install with openbox. just installed xorg, alsa openbox and let the package manager pull in the dependencies. however, I am getting really bad tearing when moving or resizing windows. Didn't have the problem on my last install so I don't know what to make of it. I haven't had this kind of problem before so I don't know where to start trouble shooting. well, annoying, everything is fully functional, so just tell me what files/ packages I need to be looking at and I can provide the info.

Thanks

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#2 2012-12-27 19:48:33

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

First off, what kind of video card are you using? Have you installed all of the necessary drivers? It's hard to say exactly without know what kind of setup you have, or what your openbox configuration was like before you reinstalled.

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#3 2012-12-27 19:50:51

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

What video card are you using?
Are you using a compositor?


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#4 2012-12-27 22:12:10

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

No compostior.
Video card is AMD HD4250 (on motherboard)
I'm using the drivers pulled in with the xorg package/ group. I've used these before in another, pretty much default openbox setup.
It's all completely default.

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#5 2012-12-27 22:26:00

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

want to add- performance is fine inside the windows. its only in the managment of the window. example:

2012_12_27_182251_1280x1024_scrot.jpg

frame rate is fine when the gears are in one place. move the window, performance drops massively (40-50 FPS vs 200 FPS) I understand there should be some drop and that could be normal, but if it's not it fits with what I'm seeing when I move the windows.

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#6 2012-12-28 02:59:57

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

JLloyd13 wrote:

No compostior.
Video card is AMD HD4250 (on motherboard)
I'm using the drivers pulled in with the xorg package/ group. I've used these before in another, pretty much default openbox setup.
It's all completely default.

You can't be using all of them. Maybe you installed them all but you can't be using them all. You need to tell us which drivers you are actually using. lsmod | grep video may prove informative.


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#7 2012-12-28 03:37:12

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

that command gives me no output. lsmod gives this:

Module                  Size  Used by
usbhid                 36418  0 
hid                    81328  1 usbhid
pci_stub               12429  1 
vboxpci                19103  0 
vboxnetadp             25443  0 
vboxnetflt             23608  0 
vboxdrv               190105  3 vboxnetflt,vboxnetadp,vboxpci
binfmt_misc            12957  1 
nfsd                  216029  2 
nfs                   312283  0 
nfs_acl                12511  2 nfs,nfsd
auth_rpcgss            37143  2 nfs,nfsd
fscache                36739  1 nfs
lockd                  67306  2 nfs,nfsd
sunrpc                173774  6 lockd,auth_rpcgss,nfs_acl,nfs,nfsd
ext4                  350601  2 
crc16                  12343  1 ext4
jbd2                   62065  1 ext4
mbcache                13114  1 ext4
loop                   22641  0 
snd_hda_codec_hdmi     30824  1 
arc4                   12458  2 
snd_hda_codec_realtek   188858  1 
rt2800pci              13829  0 
rt2800lib              43755  1 rt2800pci
rt2x00pci              12847  1 rt2800pci
rt2x00lib              38382  3 rt2x00pci,rt2800lib,rt2800pci
radeon                639136  0 
eeprom_93cx6           12497  1 rt2800pci
mac80211              192806  3 rt2x00lib,rt2x00pci,rt2800lib
ttm                    48725  1 radeon
cfg80211              137243  2 mac80211,rt2x00lib
drm_kms_helper         27227  1 radeon
rfkill                 19012  1 cfg80211
drm                   167720  3 drm_kms_helper,ttm,radeon
snd_hda_intel          26345  0 
crc_ccitt              12347  1 rt2800lib
snd_hda_codec          78031  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi
power_supply           13475  1 radeon
i2c_algo_bit           12841  1 radeon
snd_hwdep              13186  1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm                68083  3 snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_hdmi
snd_page_alloc         13003  2 snd_pcm,snd_hda_intel
snd_seq                45126  0 
snd_seq_device         13176  1 snd_seq
sp5100_tco             12900  0 
snd_timer              22917  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd                    52889  9 snd_timer,snd_seq_device,snd_seq,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi
psmouse                64497  0 
evdev                  17562  8 
pcspkr                 12579  0 
serio_raw              12931  0 
parport_pc             22364  0 
powernow_k8            17618  0 
mperf                  12453  1 powernow_k8
soundcore              13065  1 snd
i2c_piix4              12536  0 
k10temp                12611  0 
edac_mce_amd           17103  0 
edac_core              35258  0 
shpchp                 31293  0 
button                 12937  0 
processor              28157  1 powernow_k8
i2c_core               23876  5 i2c_piix4,i2c_algo_bit,drm,drm_kms_helper,radeon
parport                31858  1 parport_pc
btrfs                 505528  1 
crc32c                 12656  1 
libcrc32c              12426  1 btrfs
zlib_deflate           25638  1 btrfs
sg                     25874  0 
sd_mod                 36136  5 
crc_t10dif             12348  1 sd_mod
usb_storage            43870  0 
sr_mod                 21899  0 
cdrom                  35401  1 sr_mod
ata_generic            12479  0 
ohci_hcd               22467  0 
thermal                17383  0 
thermal_sys            18040  2 thermal,processor
pata_atiixp            12736  0 
r8169                  46972  0 
mii                    12675  1 r8169
ehci_hcd               40215  0 
ahci                   24997  4 
libahci                22860  1 ahci
libata                140630  4 libahci,ahci,pata_atiixp,ata_generic
usbcore               128681  5 ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd,usb_storage,usbhid
usb_common             12354  1 usbcore
scsi_mod              162269  5 libata,sr_mod,usb_storage,sd_mod,sg

on dwm same issue is floating mode (it wasn't great to begin with but now it's worse)

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#8 2012-12-28 04:06:18

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

I imagine that if you look in your Xorg.*.log that it would tell you.  In fact if you grep for "Device" it might be pretty easy to determine what drive you are using.  You know that it is probbaly better to only install the drive that you intend to use.  Or else have a bunch of crap that you just totally don't need.

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#9 2012-12-28 08:47:10

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

JLloyd13 wrote:

that command gives me no output. lsmod gives this:

...
vboxpci                19103  0 
vboxnetadp             25443  0 
vboxnetflt             23608  0 
vboxdrv               190105  3 vboxnetflt,vboxnetadp,vboxpci
...

Is this a VM?


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#10 2012-12-28 11:47:28

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

JLloyd13 wrote:

did a fresh install with openbox. just installed xorg, alsa openbox and let the package manager pull in the dependencies. however, I am getting really bad tearing when moving or resizing windows. Didn't have the problem on my last install so I don't know what to make of it. I haven't had this kind of problem before so I don't know where to start trouble shooting. well, annoying, everything is fully functional, so just tell me what files/ packages I need to be looking at and I can provide the info.

Thanks

Are you sure you know which distro you are using?
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=90735

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#11 2012-12-28 12:27:59

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

lsmod says you are using the radeon module, so you are likely using the xf86-video-ati driver package which is in the xorg group.  extra/ati-dri, however, is not in the xorg group, and is probably what you are missing.

In addition to thunderogg's suspicion I find it odd that you have virtualbox modules loaded.  You claimed to have an "all completely default" setup with only those two meta-packages and their automatic dependencies installed.  You seemed to think this would be a simple question, yet throughout this thread OTHER USERS have had to reveal all the information you should have shared openly or taken the time to know yourself including what you video driver you are using (this is a step in the beginners guide).

Frankly I don't know why I helped, as your "selective honesty" and limited sharing of relevant information is just disrespectful of those you are asking for help.


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#12 2012-12-28 21:43:22

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

Trilby wrote:

lsmod says you are using the radeon module, so you are likely using the xf86-video-ati driver package which is in the xorg group.  extra/ati-dri, however, is not in the xorg group, and is probably what you are missing.

In addition to thunderogg's suspicion I find it odd that you have virtualbox modules loaded.  You claimed to have an "all completely default" setup with only those two meta-packages and their automatic dependencies installed.  You seemed to think this would be a simple question, yet throughout this thread OTHER USERS have had to reveal all the information you should have shared openly or taken the time to know yourself including what you video driver you are using (this is a step in the beginners guide).

Frankly I don't know why I helped, as your "selective honesty" and limited sharing of relevant information is just disrespectful of those you are asking for help.

as I explained at the beginning, while very annoying the install is still functional so yes, I have been using it do to what I use my computer for, including virtualbox.

Could virtualbox really be causing a problem like this? I can disable those modules to check, although I certain the problem was there before I installed virtualbox.

at the moment I am using debian, (arch is on another partition) however as this looks like a problem with X and not distro specific, I assumed it would be fine to ask here, since the debian forums tend to be slower moving. If this is a major problem, I can try to contact a mod about closing this thread. I don't mind.

and I apologize for any perceived with holding of information. It was not intended as so. 

I will try ati-dri and get back on how that goes over.

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#13 2012-12-28 22:39:52

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

In hindsight I may have been a bit harsh, and I appologize for any undue 'escalation'.  But the points hold that to get help it is important that your presentation of the relevant information be as "transparent" as possible - if for no other reason than that it is easy to misinterpret intent in online forums.

I do not have any suspicion that virtualbox itself is relevant - its presence just seemed to go against some of the things you said, which made me wonder if your other claims were true.  No one likes being led down a blind alley by someone not presenting all the information up front.

As for knowing the driver, you should know that - or have been able to easily find out - prior to asking the question.  In many ways the amount of effort others will put into answering a question reflects the ammount of effort apparent in the preparation and construction of the question.

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#14 2012-12-28 23:10:13

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

JLloyd13 wrote:

at the moment I am using debian, (arch is on another partition) however as this looks like a problem with X and not distro specific, I assumed it would be fine to ask here, since the debian forums tend to be slower moving. If this is a major problem, I can try to contact a mod about closing this thread. I don't mind.

Does the problem occur when you boot Arch or only Debian or both? If it is a problem you see in Arch, that's obviously appropriate but if you only see it in Debian, you should not be asking here. For one thing, it is likely to get extremely confusing and you are not likely to get great advice. Package names differs as do boot processes, configuration etc. etc.


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#15 2012-12-31 21:19:21

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Re: Bad tearing in Openbox

Problem fixed by rolling back to an earlier version. thanks for everyone that tried to help despite my stupidity smile

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