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#1 2005-11-05 07:57:17

Explosivo
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From: The Dark Side of the moon
Registered: 2005-11-05
Posts: 25

KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

Hello Forum.

I'm new to Arch Linux. I just quit Gentoo a few days ago because this neverending story of some wrong Configs during installation made me crazy.
So I decided to try out Arch and I must say, I really liked it - just until the moment it came to installing kdebase!!!!
First of all, there is no useful KDE-Installation guide for Arch that reminds you of all these tiny little things you have to do to get it working (those things, ex-gnome-users as me don't know yet). I had to figure out by myself, that ivman must be installed as well (and not only hal and dbus).
Second, after some more burned nerves, I also figured out, that "dbus hal ivman" must be written in exactly that order in rc.conf, as Arch doesn't seem to know in which order to start the daemons. Otherwise hal won't start.
Third: This "startkde"-command cited everywhere actually doesn't start KDE, X always returns an error about not finding displays or so. I have to run "kdm" as root in order to start it (adding "exec:kdm" in ./xinitrc doesn't help here) ...
But OK, all those could be fixed. Now my REAL problem is this:
Once logged in into this nice somewhat preconfigured KDE, the configuration assistant pops up ... an finishes properly. But that's the last thing that works. Every application I start (be it Konqueror, Kcontrol or even HelpCenter) causes the system to completly freeze - exept the mouse. I can move the mouse, but the GUI is totally frozen. I can't even change into VT to restart KDE or so - the keyboard doesn't respond at all (even numlock doesn't react). I can just turn power of and pray, the filesystem doesn't get damaged.:(

I'm really desperate: I didn't find any hints about something like this anywhere on the net. And the most astonishing is, that I already had exactly the same sometimes happening on my Gentoo, after I had - NOTE THIS - upgraded to GNOME 2.12. Actually that was one of the main reasons for me leaving Gentoo and Gnome ... and now I find it here again, under Arch Linux and KDE!!! :S

Can someone PLEEASE help!?

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#2 2005-11-05 09:57:36

lucke
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From: Poland
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Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

Firstly, ivman is only needed outside of KDE/GNOME (those have their own volume managers).

Secondly, since the dawn of ages I have started kdm through inittab (starting it as a /etc/rc.d daemon is also an option).

Finally, I never had a problem like the one you described. Peculiar. Do twm works properly? Maybe your X config is somehow wrong. Getting rid of whole .kde is often a solution of different KDE problems, but probably not in this case, as there's nothing much accumulated there yet ;-)

As for praying for the consistency of your filesystem, maybe magic sysrq would work in that case. If you're using stock Arch kernel, it's enough to set it on in /etc/systcl.conf and then pressing alt+printscreen+['s', then 'u', then 'b']. It bypasses the keyboard driver and goes directly to kernel, so it often works when whole box is unresponsive.

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#3 2005-11-05 10:04:52

Explosivo
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From: The Dark Side of the moon
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Posts: 25

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

Twm starts properly.
And as I said, KDE also seems to start properly, but then its spirit wanders to nirvana if I start thinking about launching kcontrol. I also deleted all what's in ~/.kde ... but that didn't solve the problem. I'll just try it with a new user ... perhaps it works.
Question: Must a user be in some specific groups in order to be able to use KDE properly???

Secondly, since the dawn of ages I have started kdm through inittab (starting it as a /etc/rc.d daemon is also an option).

Thanks for the tip. As I sad, I didn't set up KDE ever before (just used it occasionally under Knoppix, as I am doing now ...)

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#4 2005-11-05 10:21:01

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Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

Nah, there isn't any KDE-specific group. Your user should be in audio group to be able to use audio devices and so on.

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#5 2005-11-05 10:33:26

Explosivo
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Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

Ok, the new user has the same problem ... the moment I launch Kcontrol, the system freezes. Anyway I found out that some things work. (The menu bar configuration works, opening a folder in konqueror via this quick launch thing  in the K-Menu also works)

The thing that did not work is you trick with Alt+Print+ (s then u then b) ... simply that didn't have any effect although I have this line in /etc/sysctl.conf

# Disable the magic-sysrq key
kernel.sysrq = 0

I am now thinking wether there might be some confusion in my xorg.conf. So here it is:

Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier     "XFree86 Configured"
    Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
    InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
# PS/2 Mouse not detected
# Serial Mouse not detected
        InputDevice    "USB Mouse" "CorePointer"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
    Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"  "true"
    
EndSection

Section "Files"
    RgbPath      "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
    ModulePath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled"
    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX"
# Additional fonts: Locale, Gimp, TTF...
    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
#    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/75dpi"
#    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/100dpi"
# True type and type1 fonts are also handled via xftlib, see /etc/X11/XftConfig!
    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
    FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/western"
    FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives"
    FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/truetype"
    FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/openoffice"
    FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera"
    FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/latex-ttf-fonts"
    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/defoma/CID"
    FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/defoma/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
        Load  "ddc"  # ddc probing of monitor
#    Load  "GLcore"
    Load  "dbe"
#    Load  "dri"
    Load  "extmod"
    Load  "glx"
        Load  "bitmap" # bitmap-fonts
    Load  "type1"
    Load  "freetype"
    Load  "record"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier  "Keyboard0"
    Driver      "keyboard"
        Option      "CoreKeyboard"
    Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
    Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
    Option "XkbLayout" "de"
    Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier  "Serial Mouse"
    Driver      "mouse"
    Option      "Protocol" "Microsoft"
    Option      "Device" "/dev/ttyS0"
    Option      "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
    Option      "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
    Option        "SendCoreEvents"  "true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier  "PS/2 Mouse"
    Driver      "mouse"
    Option      "Protocol" "auto"
    Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
    Option      "Device" "/dev/psaux"
    Option      "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
    Option      "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
    Option        "SendCoreEvents"  "true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier      "USB Mouse"
        Driver          "mouse"
        Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
    Option        "SendCoreEvents"    "true"
        Option          "Protocol"              "IMPS/2"
        Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
        Option          "Buttons"               "5"
EndSection

# Auto-generated by Archie mkxcfg

Section "Monitor"
    Identifier "Monitor0"
        Option "DPMS" "true"
#    HorizSync    28.0 - 78.0 # Warning: This may fry very old Monitors
    HorizSync    28.0 - 96.0 # Warning: This may fry old Monitors
    VertRefresh  50.0 - 75.0 # Very conservative. May flicker.
#    VertRefresh  50.0 - 62.0 # Extreme conservative. Will flicker. TFT default.
    #  Default modes distilled from
    #      "VESA and Industry Standards and Guide for Computer Display Monitor
    #       Timing", version 1.0, revision 0.8, adopted September 17, 1998.
    #  $XFree86: xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/etc/vesamodes,v 1.4 1999/11/18 16:52:17 tsi Exp $
    # 640x350 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
    ModeLine "640x350"    31.5  640  672  736  832    350  382  385  445 +hsync -vsync
    # 640x400 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
    ModeLine "640x400"    31.5  640  672  736  832    400  401  404  445 -hsync +vsync
    # 720x400 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
    ModeLine "720x400"    35.5  720  756  828  936    400  401  404  446 -hsync +vsync
    # 640x480 @ 60Hz (Industry standard) hsync: 31.5kHz
    ModeLine "640x480"    25.2  640  656  752  800    480  490  492  525 -hsync -vsync
    # 640x480 @ 72Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
    ModeLine "640x480"    31.5  640  664  704  832    480  489  491  520 -hsync -vsync
    # 640x480 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.5kHz
    ModeLine "640x480"    31.5  640  656  720  840    480  481  484  500 -hsync -vsync
    # 640x480 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 43.3kHz
    ModeLine "640x480"    36.0  640  696  752  832    480  481  484  509 -hsync -vsync
    # 800x600 @ 56Hz (VESA) hsync: 35.2kHz
    ModeLine "800x600"    36.0  800  824  896 1024    600  601  603  625 +hsync +vsync
    # 800x600 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
    ModeLine "800x600"    40.0  800  840  968 1056    600  601  605  628 +hsync +vsync
    # 800x600 @ 72Hz (VESA) hsync: 48.1kHz
    ModeLine "800x600"    50.0  800  856  976 1040    600  637  643  666 +hsync +vsync
    # 800x600 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 46.9kHz
    ModeLine "800x600"    49.5  800  816  896 1056    600  601  604  625 +hsync +vsync
    # 800x600 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 53.7kHz
    ModeLine "800x600"    56.3  800  832  896 1048    600  601  604  631 +hsync +vsync
    # 1024x768i @ 43Hz (industry standard) hsync: 35.5kHz
    ModeLine "1024x768"   44.9 1024 1032 1208 1264    768  768  776  817 +hsync +vsync Interlace
    # 1024x768 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 48.4kHz
    ModeLine "1024x768"   65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344    768  771  777  806 -hsync -vsync
    # 1024x768 @ 70Hz (VESA) hsync: 56.5kHz
    ModeLine "1024x768"   75.0 1024 1048 1184 1328    768  771  777  806 -hsync -vsync
    # 1024x768 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 60.0kHz
    ModeLine "1024x768"   78.8 1024 1040 1136 1312    768  769  772  800 +hsync +vsync
    # 1024x768 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 68.7kHz
    ModeLine "1024x768"   94.5 1024 1072 1168 1376    768  769  772  808 +hsync +vsync
    # 1152x864 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 67.5kHz
    ModeLine "1152x864"  108.0 1152 1216 1344 1600    864  865  868  900 +hsync +vsync
    # 1280x960 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 60.0kHz
    ModeLine "1280x960"  108.0 1280 1376 1488 1800    960  961  964 1000 +hsync +vsync
    # 1280x960 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 85.9kHz
    ModeLine "1280x960"  148.5 1280 1344 1504 1728    960  961  964 1011 +hsync +vsync
    # 1280x1024 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 64.0kHz
    ModeLine "1280x1024" 108.0 1280 1328 1440 1688   1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
    # 1280x1024 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 80.0kHz
    ModeLine "1280x1024" 135.0 1280 1296 1440 1688   1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
    # 1280x1024 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 91.1kHz
    ModeLine "1280x1024" 157.5 1280 1344 1504 1728   1024 1025 1028 1072 +hsync +vsync
    # 1600x1200 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 75.0kHz
    ModeLine "1600x1200" 162.0 1600 1664 1856 2160   1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync
    # 1600x1200 @ 65Hz (VESA) hsync: 81.3kHz
    ModeLine "1600x1200" 175.5 1600 1664 1856 2160   1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync
    # 1600x1200 @ 70Hz (VESA) hsync: 87.5kHz
    ModeLine "1600x1200" 189.0 1600 1664 1856 2160   1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync
    # 1600x1200 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 93.8kHz
    ModeLine "1600x1200" 202.5 1600 1664 1856 2160   1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync
    # 1600x1200 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 106.3kHz
    ModeLine "1600x1200" 229.5 1600 1664 1856 2160   1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync
    # 1792x1344 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 83.6kHz
    ModeLine "1792x1344" 204.8 1792 1920 2120 2448   1344 1345 1348 1394 -hsync +vsync
    # 1792x1344 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 106.3kHz
    ModeLine "1792x1344" 261.0 1792 1888 2104 2456   1344 1345 1348 1417 -hsync +vsync
    # 1856x1392 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 86.3kHz
    ModeLine "1856x1392" 218.3 1856 1952 2176 2528   1392 1393 1396 1439 -hsync +vsync
    # 1856x1392 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 112.5kHz
    ModeLine "1856x1392" 288.0 1856 1984 2208 2560   1392 1393 1396 1500 -hsync +vsync
    # 1920x1440 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 90.0kHz
    ModeLine "1920x1440" 234.0 1920 2048 2256 2600   1440 1441 1444 1500 -hsync +vsync
    # 1920x1440 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 112.5kHz
    ModeLine "1920x1440" 297.0 1920 2064 2288 2640   1440 1441 1444 1500 -hsync +vsync
    # Additional modelines
    ModeLine "1800x1440"  230    1800 1896 2088 2392  1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync
    ModeLine "1800x1440"  250    1800 1896 2088 2392  1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync
    # Extended modelines with GTF timings
    # 640x480 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 50.90 kHz; pclk: 43.16 MHz
    ModeLine "640x480"  43.16  640 680 744 848  480 481 484 509  -HSync +Vsync
    # 768x576 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 35.82 kHz; pclk: 34.96 MHz
    ModeLine "768x576"  34.96  768 792 872 976  576 577 580 597  -HSync +Vsync
    # 768x576 @ 72.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 43.27 kHz; pclk: 42.93 MHz
    ModeLine "768x576"  42.93  768 800 880 992  576 577 580 601  -HSync +Vsync
    # 768x576 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 45.15 kHz; pclk: 45.51 MHz
    ModeLine "768x576"  45.51  768 808 888 1008  576 577 580 602  -HSync +Vsync
    # 768x576 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 51.42 kHz; pclk: 51.84 MHz
    ModeLine "768x576"  51.84  768 808 888 1008  576 577 580 605  -HSync +Vsync
    # 768x576 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 61.10 kHz; pclk: 62.57 MHz
    ModeLine "768x576"  62.57  768 816 896 1024  576 577 580 611  -HSync +Vsync
    # 800x600 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 63.60 kHz; pclk: 68.18 MHz
    ModeLine "800x600"  68.18  800 848 936 1072  600 601 604 636  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1024x768 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 81.40 kHz; pclk: 113.31 MHz
    ModeLine "1024x768"  113.31  1024 1096 1208 1392  768 769 772 814  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1152x864 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 53.70 kHz; pclk: 81.62 MHz
    ModeLine "1152x864"  81.62  1152 1216 1336 1520  864 865 868 895  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1152x864 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 77.10 kHz; pclk: 119.65 MHz
    ModeLine "1152x864"  119.65  1152 1224 1352 1552  864 865 868 907  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1152x864 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 91.50 kHz; pclk: 143.47 MHz
    ModeLine "1152x864"  143.47  1152 1232 1360 1568  864 865 868 915  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1280x960 @ 72.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 72.07 kHz; pclk: 124.54 MHz
    ModeLine "1280x960"  124.54  1280 1368 1504 1728  960 961 964 1001  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1280x960 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 75.15 kHz; pclk: 129.86 MHz
    ModeLine "1280x960"  129.86  1280 1368 1504 1728  960 961 964 1002  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1280x960 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 101.70 kHz; pclk: 178.99 MHz
    ModeLine "1280x960"  178.99  1280 1376 1520 1760  960 961 964 1017  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1280x1024 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 108.50 kHz; pclk: 190.96 MHz
    ModeLine "1280x1024"  190.96  1280 1376 1520 1760  1024 1025 1028 1085  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1400x1050 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 65.22 kHz; pclk: 122.61 MHz
    ModeLine "1400x1050"  122.61  1400 1488 1640 1880  1050 1051 1054 1087  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1400x1050 @ 72.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 78.77 kHz; pclk: 149.34 MHz
    ModeLine "1400x1050"  149.34  1400 1496 1648 1896  1050 1051 1054 1094  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1400x1050 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 82.20 kHz; pclk: 155.85 MHz
    ModeLine "1400x1050"  155.85  1400 1496 1648 1896  1050 1051 1054 1096  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1400x1050 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 93.76 kHz; pclk: 179.26 MHz
    ModeLine "1400x1050"  179.26  1400 1504 1656 1912  1050 1051 1054 1103  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1400x1050 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 111.20 kHz; pclk: 214.39 MHz
    ModeLine "1400x1050"  214.39  1400 1512 1664 1928  1050 1051 1054 1112  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1600x1200 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 127.10 kHz; pclk: 280.64 MHz
    ModeLine "1600x1200"  280.64  1600 1728 1904 2208  1200 1201 1204 1271  -HSync +Vsync
EndSection

# Auto-generated by Archie mkxcfg

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "Card0"
    Driver      "nvidia"
    VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"
    BoardName   "All"
    Option        "NoLogo"    "true"
    Option        "RenderAccel"    "true"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier "Screen0"
    Device     "Card0"
    Monitor    "Monitor0"
    DefaultColorDepth 16
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth     1
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth     4
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth     8
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth     15
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth     16
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth     24
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth     32
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
    Mode 0666
EndSection

It was basically done with hwd -x ... I just changed a few settings in it, perhaps someone can find an error in it.

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#6 2005-11-05 10:45:52

rayjgu3
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From: Chicago IL usa
Registered: 2004-07-04
Posts: 692

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

1st off welcome to arch

i have found the answer to most of your questions here
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Category:HowTos
i havent done a X by hwd i always use

 xorgconfig

using the out put from 1st running

hwd -e  
hwd -s 
hwd -h

the hwd -h gives a good help tips on setting things up
hope this helps tongue

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#7 2005-11-05 10:49:25

lucke
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From: Poland
Registered: 2004-11-30
Posts: 4,018

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

Change that kernel.sysrq value to 1 and execute 'sysctl -p' to enable that magic ;-)

Also, remove the 'Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"' from xorg.conf.
It won't actually solve your problems, but this option stops people from changing to virtual consoles.

Lastly, small question: do you have more kde group's elements installed (pacman -S kde) or only kdebase/kdelibs?

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#8 2005-11-05 10:51:01

mpie
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Registered: 2005-03-06
Posts: 649

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

disable dri with nvidia cards......

if it still plays up try without renderaccel....

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#9 2005-11-05 11:07:34

Explosivo
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From: The Dark Side of the moon
Registered: 2005-11-05
Posts: 25

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

I got the magic keys working now. But my problem still presists. It seems that has something to do with Konqueror. I don't know wether kcontrol is basically also konqueror, but KWrite, Kate and the "Tip of the day"-wizard at the beginning seem to work normally. I also already disabled DRI (noticed that after I read my finished post), but it didn't help. I managed to open a webpage through konqueror by opening it first as a file browser and then entering a web address. But the momen the Cookie dialog appeard it froze again.
And: No, I only installed kdebase!

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#10 2005-11-05 11:14:16

mpie
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Registered: 2005-03-06
Posts: 649

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

pacman -S kdenetwork....

then try going online

these are the available parts of the kde group

mike@Atlantis ~]$ sudo pacman -Sg kde
Password:
kde
    arts gwenview kde-common kdeaccessibility kdeaddons kdeadmin kdeartwork
    kdebase kdebindings kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics kdelibs kdemultimedia
    kdenetwork kdepim kdesdk kdetoys kdeutils
[mike@Atlantis ~]$

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#11 2005-11-05 11:22:23

Explosivo
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From: The Dark Side of the moon
Registered: 2005-11-05
Posts: 25

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

Ok, I am now merging, errr ... fetching kdenetwork. I hope this helps (browsing a forum with links is VERY annoying)!

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#12 2005-11-05 13:47:33

Explosivo
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From: The Dark Side of the moon
Registered: 2005-11-05
Posts: 25

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

After playing around in KDE a little, my problem still presists. It seems that it's a problem somewhere in X. Most programs work very smooth (Kopete, kWallet, the Menu Bar, Konqueror even opens in file manager mode. I even opened some webpages when launches from an external link (from Kopete). What is really intresting is that all these programs won't be launched from Knsole:

# kate
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
kded: cannot connect to X server :0.0
kded: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Registering failed!
kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed.
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
kdeinit: Can't connect to the X Server.
kdeinit: Might not terminate at end of session.
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
kopete: cannot connect to X server :0.0
kopete: ERROR: Communication problem with kopete, it probably crashed.

(Kate works very normal when launced from the K-Menu).
Here is also my rc.conf (perhaps it contains some hint)

# /etc/rc.conf - Main Configuration for Arch Linux
#

#
# Localization
#
# HARDWARECLOCK: set to "UTC" or "localtime"
# TIMEZONE: timezones are found in /usr/share/zoneinfo
# KEYMAP: keymaps are found in /usr/share/kbd/keymaps
# CONSOLEFONT: fount in /usr/share/kbd/consolefonts (only needed for non-us)
# USECOLOR: use ANSI color sequences in startup messages
#
HARDWARECLOCK="localtime"
TIMEZONE=Egypt
KEYMAP=de-latin1-nodeadkeys
CONSOLEFONT=lat1-16
USECOLOR="yes"

# Scan for LVM volume groups at startup, required if you use LVM
USELVM="no"

#
# Networking
#
HOSTNAME="einstein"

#
# Module to load at boot-up (in this order)
#   (prefix a module with a ! to disable it)
#
MODULES=(nvidia !usbserial !ide-scsi)

#
# Interfaces to start at boot-up (in this order)
# Declare each interface then list in INTERFACES
#   (prefix an interface in INTERFACES with a ! to disable it)
#
# Note: to use DHCP, set your interface to be "dhcp" (eth0="dhcp")
#
lo="lo 127.0.0.1"
eth0="eth0 192.168.1.13 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255"
INTERFACES=(lo eth0)

#
# Routes to start at boot-up (in this order)
# Declare each route then list in ROUTES
#   (prefix a route in ROUTES with a ! to disable it)
#
gateway="default gw 192.168.1.1"
ROUTES=(gateway)

#
# Daemons to start at boot-up (in this order)
#   (prefix a daemon with a ! to disable it)
#
DAEMONS=(syslog-ng dbus hal ivman hotplug !pcmcia network netfs crond)

# End of file

Edit: What might also be intresting is that I can't change the colour sheme of Konsole - neither to plain colours nor to a transperent background. Even if I change it to an already existing sheme he simply won't apply it ...

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#13 2005-11-05 14:31:27

lucke
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Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

Did you actually follow my advice and start kdm through inittab?

It seems you did something wicked on the 'user to root' line.

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#14 2005-11-05 17:07:32

stonecrest
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Posts: 1,190

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

So.. what do the logs say when your computer freezes? That should be the first thing you check.


I am a gated community.

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#15 2005-11-05 17:20:52

Explosivo
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Posts: 25

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

OK, I now tried it also with inittab --> same result, as alway: Konqueror hangs the the whole fuck up!
Here is my inittab:

# /etc/inittab
#

#  Runlevels:
#    0    Halt
#    1(S)    Single-user
#    2    Not used
#    3    Multi-user
#    4    Not used
#    5    X11
#    6    Reboot

id:5:initdefault:

rc::sysinit:/etc/rc.sysinit
rs:S1:wait:/etc/rc.single
rm:2345:wait:/etc/rc.multi
rh:06:wait:/etc/rc.shutdown
su:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin -p

c1:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 vc/1 linux
c2:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 vc/2 linux
c3:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 vc/3 linux
c4:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 vc/4 linux
c5:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 vc/5 linux
c6:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 vc/6 linux

ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now

x:5:respawn:/opt/kde/bin/kdm -nodaemon

# End of file

stonecrest,

which log exactly do you mean??? I was never into this thing. Perhaps /var/log/kdm.log can help you. Here are the last two "blocks" (the file actually consits of several repititions of the first one)

X Window System Version 6.8.2
Release Date: 9 February 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.14-rc1 i686 [ELF] 
Current Operating System: Linux einstein 2.6.13-ARCH #1 SMP Sun Oct 23 10:51:42 CEST 2005 i686
Build Date: 03 October 2005
    Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
    to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
    (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
    (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Nov  5 17:30:00 2005
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pmf" already registered at priority 0
QSettings: error creating /tmp/0547311754/.qt
QSettings: failed to open file '/tmp/0547311754/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc'
QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty
QSettings: error creating /tmp/0547311754/.qt
QSettings: failed to open file '/tmp/0547311754/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc'
QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty
QSettings: error creating /tmp/0547311754/.qt
QSettings: failed to open file '/tmp/0547311754/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc'
QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty
QSettings: error creating /tmp/0547311754/.qt
QSettings: failed to open file '/tmp/0547311754/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc'
QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty
SetClientVersion: 0 8
AUDIT: Sat Nov  5 17:42:28 2005: 5527 X: client 2 rejected from local host
  Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
AUDIT: Sat Nov  5 17:48:52 2005: 5527 X: client 16 rejected from local host
  Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
AUDIT: Sat Nov  5 17:49:01 2005: 5527 X: client 16 rejected from local host
  Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
AUDIT: Sat Nov  5 17:49:01 2005: 5527 X: client 16 rejected from local host
  Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
AUDIT: Sat Nov  5 17:49:01 2005: 5527 X: client 16 rejected from local host
  Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
AUDIT: Sat Nov  5 17:51:41 2005: 5527 X: client 12 rejected from local host
  Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
AUDIT: Sat Nov  5 17:51:41 2005: 5527 X: client 12 rejected from local host
  Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
AUDIT: Sat Nov  5 17:51:41 2005: 5527 X: client 12 rejected from local host
  Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1

X Window System Version 6.8.2
Release Date: 9 February 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.14-rc1 i686 [ELF] 
Current Operating System: Linux einstein 2.6.13-ARCH #1 SMP Sun Oct 23 10:51:42 CEST 2005 i686
Build Date: 03 October 2005
    Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
    to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
    (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
    (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Nov  5 21:18:11 2005
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pmf" already registered at priority 0
QSettings: error creating /tmp/1783000346/.qt
QSettings: failed to open file '/tmp/1783000346/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc'
QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty
QSettings: error creating /tmp/1783000346/.qt
QSettings: failed to open file '/tmp/1783000346/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc'
QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty
QSettings: error creating /tmp/1783000346/.qt
QSettings: failed to open file '/tmp/1783000346/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc'
QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty
SetClientVersion: 0 8

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#16 2005-11-05 17:47:27

smoon
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Posts: 468
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Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

If you've got a nForce2 motherboard installed this link may help you: http://atlas.et.tudelft.nl/verwei90/nforce2/index.html. I get the same lockups sometimes with two different nForce2 mainboards, it mainly happens when I use the onboard NIC to transfer huge amounts of data. But it happens so rarely that I never cared about fixing it. Anyway, it seems to be a common problem with this motherboards. Try searching Google for combinations of the keywords "nforce2", "noapic" and "lockup" for more information about what exactly the problem is.

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#17 2005-11-05 19:34:11

mpie
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From: 404 Not found
Registered: 2005-03-06
Posts: 649

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

you have an authority problem....

remove ~/.Xauthority
and ~/.ICEauthority
try xhost +
and double check you /etc/host file

these are the most likely cause

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#18 2005-11-05 20:10:57

sh__
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Registered: 2005-07-19
Posts: 271

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

Yes, this looks like an Xauthority problem. From your rc.conf it seems that you have a fixed ip address and your hostname is einstein. Check that /etc/hosts contains a line like

127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain einstein localhost

and do the things mpie suggested (although probably not xhost +, that's unsecure).

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#19 2005-11-05 21:57:02

mpie
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From: 404 Not found
Registered: 2005-03-06
Posts: 649

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

sorry my bad, that was only half a post really, if it works once you have done xhost+, then logged in you then need to do xhost-, as it will accept all connectins untill you do... :shock:

not a good plan

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#20 2005-11-05 23:16:49

IceRAM
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From: Bucharest, Romania
Registered: 2004-03-04
Posts: 772
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Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

Curiosity makes me ask the original poster: did you do a full system upgrade (pacman -Syu) after install? (with all the tweaks required by the new packages)

Also, I find adding "kdm" to the "DAEMONS=(...)" list in /etc/rc.conf the "most Arch-way solution" - kdm is a daemon, isn't it?

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#21 2005-11-06 08:41:24

Explosivo
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From: The Dark Side of the moon
Registered: 2005-11-05
Posts: 25

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

Of course I did a complete system upgrade directly after installing the base system (I had actually the impression that downloading the Installation CD was a waste of time, as nearly all packages were upgraded) ....

The way I did is starting kdm via inittab as lucke had suggested. Is there any difference when started from rc.conf?

But now the sad thing: I still have the problem ... although I followed all your advices, changed /ect/hosts, deleted ~/.Xauthority and ~/.ICEauthority and although I built a completly new Vanilla-Kernel (2.6.14) with similar options as I had them under Gentoo, and WITHOUT "apic"-Support ...
smoon, you were right, I really have an ABit Motherboard with nForce2 Chipset, but the new Kernel also didn't help solving anything.
The funny point about the matter is actually that Konqueror runs - but only if started with a concrete target (konqueror /xxx). I gets stuck only if started from the panel or from the k-Menu (ergo without any target). And it freezes (exactly as Firefox did under Gentoo) when it is under heavy stress, ie. if I switch from one loading tab to another while 5 other tabs are opend.

I really don't know what to do!!! Do you think rebuilding all kde Packages with "abs" would help? Or is there some Kernel patch out there that might help on newer Kernels (all I found were quite old ones!). Or am I just damned and have to go on and test on distro after another until I find something that REALLY works???

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#22 2005-11-06 12:44:19

Explosivo
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From: The Dark Side of the moon
Registered: 2005-11-05
Posts: 25

Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

I don't believe what an idiot I am!
I tried around for hours, kept on browsing the internet in text-mode even longer ... and in the end I just had forgotten the advice given in THIS thread:

TURN OFF "RENDER ACCEL"!!!!

As far as I can see right now, every thing goes fine, after turning off this option in xorg.conf. I aslo discovered that I'm not the only one to suffer from this as you can see in this HUGE thread

Only problem left at the moment is telling Konsole to change it's background color ...
But anyway: Thank you all for your assistance! I hope I now can deeper into ArchLinux.

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#23 2005-11-06 13:00:59

smoon
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Re: KDE's total annoyance [solved after all!!!:-D]

I really don't think this has something to do with your software (Distribution, KDE version, ...). Have you tried disabling the CPU disconnect function in your BIOS with or without some combinations of the noapic, acpi=off and nolapic kernel options? I don't think it's done with just upgrading to the latest kernel.

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