Pacman 4.1 Released

Inxsible · 2013-04-01 16:48:26

Cerebral wrote:

Finally the long-awaited auto-reboot feature.
Good job pacman devs! With every release you make Arch more accessible and open to users unfamiliar with Linux!

Travis, been a long time since you been on the boards. How you been?

Morrad · 2013-04-01 17:31:00

jasonwryan wrote:

Pacman 4.1 has just been released to [testing] with some fantastic and long awaited features, including:
tight integration between the package manager and systemd
...

Just what we all were hoping for.

For simplicity's sake, should the devs push for getting pacman merged into systemd? This, combined with the recent announcement that glibc will be integrated into systemd means that the dev's can greatly simplify Arch's package dependency tree.

Cerebral · 2013-04-01 17:40:25

Inxsible wrote:

Travis, been a long time since you been on the boards. How you been?

Not to hijack the thread, but been well. Busy as hell, but ecstatic that Arch has been thriving so well in my absence. Lots of exciting stuff lately and on the horizon, including this new pacman release of course! (and back on-topic ftw)

Pank · 2013-04-01 18:25:53

opt1mus wrote:

Feature request for the pacmand - pacmanctl pop-up notification re: auto-reboot;
-f --fullscreen
-b --beep

A gui please. flags are so 70s. . . Also, popups should be implemented with KDE libs. KDE provides by far the best pop up framework. It's got a few dependencies, perhaps, but it's worth it for the added flexibility!

HalosGhost · 2013-04-01 18:36:19

Trilby wrote:

`pleasewait-win && pacman -Syyuf && poweroff`

I find that things tend to go smoother if you throw a couple more "u"s and "f"s in there. "-Syyfffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu" seems to be appropriate for the automatic reboot, no?

All the best,

-HG

owain · 2013-04-01 18:38:39

Pank wrote:

opt1mus wrote:
Feature request for the pacmand - pacmanctl pop-up notification re: auto-reboot;
-f --fullscreen
-b --beep
A gui please. flags are so 70s. . . Also, popups should be implemented with KDE libs. KDE provides by far the best pop up framework. It's got a few dependencies, perhaps, but it's worth it for the added flexibility!

As it's such a vital element of the OS, maybe relevant versions of all necessary libraries could be included in the file? We could use this as a precedent for other packages to include their own libraries, allowing developers to be particular about which versions they use.

It'd increase the size of downloads, but people have got accustomed to 50MB updates for groundbreaking software such as iTunes, so to continue putting out ones measured in KB might make us look a little amateurish.

Last edited by owain (2013-04-01 18:39:14)

karol · 2013-04-01 19:00:00

Cerebral wrote:

Inxsible wrote:
Travis, been a long time since you been on the boards. How you been?
Not to hijack the thread, but been well. Busy as hell, but ecstatic that Arch has been thriving so well in my absence. Lots of exciting stuff lately and on the horizon, including this new pacman release of course! (and back on-topic ftw)

Maybe we're seeing the Great Return of Forum Fellows? skottish recently posted for the first time in months :-)

Allan once tried to design a GUI for pacman, but not sure if I'd call it a success ;-)
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=113412

kelloco2 · 2013-04-01 19:12:19

I just hope that someone will write a lighter solution for example, using ncurses, gtk .... a and pacmand only fetch updates when the network is not loaded; then a popup (or using notify-osd) or tray icon with a proposal update. But not forced restarts and etc! I hope it could be set up This solution straight from the windows ;/

Trilby · 2013-04-01 19:16:52

HalosGhost wrote:

Syyfffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu" seems to be appropriate for the automatic reboot,

Or maybe some new flags, like `pacman -Stfu` which will run silently in the background, then shutdown.

HalosGhost · 2013-04-01 19:19:41

Trilby wrote:

Or maybe some new flags, like `pacman -Stfu` which will run silently in the background, then shutdown.

Sadly, there already are "S," "t," "f," and "u" flags. But I do so love that notion…

All the best,

-HG

alphaniner · 2013-04-01 19:21:36

Trilby wrote:

HalosGhost wrote:
Syyfffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu" seems to be appropriate for the automatic reboot,
Or maybe some new flags, like `pacman -Stfu` which will run silently in the background, then shutdown.

I suggest that method should bypass pacman.log as well.

progandy · 2013-04-01 19:30:26

HalosGhost wrote:

Trilby wrote:
Or maybe some new flags, like `pacman -Stfu` which will run silently in the background, then shutdown.
Sadly, there already are "S," "t," "f," and "u" flags. But I do so love that notion…

That is no problem. There is no -t flag for the sync module yet. I would extend it to -Stfuya, though.
-S : use sync mode
-t : continuous silent (no logs) background mode (NEW)
-f : force updates
-u : do updates
-y (you) : do syncs
-a (a**hats) : always reboot and restart daemon afterwards (NEW)

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owain · 2013-04-01 19:58:23

kelloco2 wrote:

I just hope that someone will write a lighter solution for example, using ncurses, gtk ....

Couldn't we focus efforts on an iOS port, instead?

Inxsible · 2013-04-01 20:29:34

I would love for an option to run pacman on my android phone and have my desktop updated via ssh. So along with the iOS port, I'd like an android app too.

teekay · 2013-04-01 20:55:52

wulax wrote:

I have a headless server running Arch and would like to be notified when it needs to be rebooted. Will pacmand be able to send pop-ups remotely to my desktop or phone?

It can do "smbclient -M" I guess (it should, I mean why shouldn't it), so getting messages on your WinPhone should work ootb if workgroup matches.

Pank · 2013-04-01 21:19:44

progandy wrote:

HalosGhost wrote:
Trilby wrote:
Or maybe some new flags, like `pacman -Stfu` which will run silently in the background, then shutdown.
Sadly, there already are "S," "t," "f," and "u" flags. But I do so love that notion…
That is no problem. There is no -t flag for the sync module yet. I would extend it to -Stfuya, though.
-S : use sync mode
-t : continuous silent (no logs) background mode (NEW)
-f : force updates
-u : do updates
-y (you) : do syncs
-a (a**hats) : always reboot and restart daemon afterwards (NEW)

Why -f is not default beats me. Seriously, who wants these nasty and incomprehensible questions which sometime pop up when -f is not used?

owain · 2013-04-01 21:42:31

Pank wrote:

progandy wrote:
HalosGhost wrote:
Sadly, there already are "S," "t," "f," and "u" flags. But I do so love that notion…
That is no problem. There is no -t flag for the sync module yet. I would extend it to -Stfuya, though.
-S : use sync mode
-t : continuous silent (no logs) background mode (NEW)
-f : force updates
-u : do updates
-y (you) : do syncs
-a (a**hats) : always reboot and restart daemon afterwards (NEW)
Why -f is not default beats me. Seriously, who wants these nasty and incomprehensible questions which sometime pop up when -f is not used?

-o to automatically overwrite altered config files with .pacnew options would be progress, too.

kelloco2 · 2013-04-01 21:47:29

owain wrote:

Couldn't we focus efforts on an iOS port, instead?

hehh It makes no difference to me but sometimes I used putty and ssh (Symbian 9.3 FP2). but now the popup implemented with KDE libs will not open - and the system can suddenly reset ;/. I do not want that! What about people who don't use even Xorg? system will surprise them? beep is not enough

Allan · 2013-04-01 21:52:13

Pank wrote:

Why -f is not default beats me. Seriously, who wants these nasty and incomprehensible questions which sometime pop up when -f is not used?

-f is not default because it does not exist in pacman-4.1...

nomorewindows · 2013-04-01 22:13:57

You mean pacman will reboot on all updates not just the kernel, like Ubuntu? It doesn't make sense on Ubuntu to reboot on the kernel updates, because the kernel is still there unlike with pacman.

But if the application it is updating is not one of the ArchLinux core applications, the user will have to find and download from the third-party website themselves and install with a wizard process.

What if I'm on a text console instead of a X windows mode, while pacman is auto-updating, will it still pop-up? Will it fail to auto-reboot?

I also want to know what service packs are available and how long it will take to download in the background.

hobarrera · 2013-04-01 22:15:35

owain wrote:

hadrons123 wrote:
When updates are found, it schedules a reboot of the system. Is there a way to stop the sheduled reboot feature?
I think I'm right in saying that you'll get a pop-up warning, allowing you to delay the reboot by a few hours.

I think a REST API would be better, so we can have Android and iOS apps that can monitor our systems. If I'm in the loo, and my system is about to reboot, I know I have to finish up quickly because I need to cancel that reboot.
Invaluable, IMHO.

Last edited by hobarrera (2013-04-01 22:19:38)

Pank · 2013-04-01 22:22:30

Allan wrote:

Pank wrote:
Why -f is not default beats me. Seriously, who wants these nasty and incomprehensible questions which sometime pop up when -f is not used?

-f is not default because it does not exist in pacman-4.1...

Two step procedure then: (0). rename --force to -f and (1). make an alias for pacman to pacman -f. . .

Last edited by Pank (2013-04-01 22:23:00)

skottish · 2013-04-01 22:27:40

karol wrote:

Cerebral wrote:
Inxsible wrote:
Travis, been a long time since you been on the boards. How you been?
Not to hijack the thread, but been well. Busy as hell, but ecstatic that Arch has been thriving so well in my absence. Lots of exciting stuff lately and on the horizon, including this new pacman release of course! (and back on-topic ftw)
Maybe we're seeing the Great Return of Forum Fellows? skottish recently posted for the first time in months :-)

Hi karol,

I'm officially a recovering Windows system administrator now, so I'm starting to have a life again! Of course this thread needs to move forward...

Allan,

Now that you've implemented the automatic reboot feature, does this mean that you're going to continue fixing things from now on?

Last edited by skottish (2013-04-01 22:27:57)

Jristz · 2013-04-01 23:22:12

# pacman -Stuya --force

this work

Awebb · 2013-04-02 10:03:18

"Thight integration between package manager and systemd"! Finally! Pacman is being renamed to pkgctl!

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