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ed is the standard editor, I know it is hardly used nowadays but still it is so strange... What is the reason of not including it?
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Maybe because:
I know it is hardly used nowadays
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It once was in base-devel https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit … 52441b859b
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/18718
Last edited by karol (2014-03-13 13:44:22)
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Because it it crap.
Nope, crap is in the AUR ;P
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Because it it crap.
Well if it had a grammar-checker it would still help.
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I always thought this "ed is the standard editor" is supposed to be a joke. Is there anybody out there who really uses this? I mean sure, it's very powerful, because sed is, but in what universe would somebody really e.g. write a latex paper with such an editor?!
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I always thought this "ed is the standard editor" is supposed to be a joke. Is there anybody out there who really uses this? I mean sure, it's very powerful, because sed is, but in what universe would somebody really e.g. write a latex paper with such an editor?!
It is a joke. I think* that it's required for POSIX compliance but nobody actually uses it. Anyway, it's just a trump card in the editor wars. "Who cares if you think vim is superior? ed is the standard editor."
*I'm too lazy to actually verify this claim.
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I always thought this "ed is the standard editor" is supposed to be a joke. Is there anybody out there who really uses this? I mean sure, it's very powerful, because sed is, but in what universe would somebody really e.g. write a latex paper with such an editor?!
It has become a joke, but it wasn't always so.
Sometimes the manpage description starts with "Ed is the standard text editor.", the ed command is defined in POSIX 1003.2
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EdIsTheStandardTextEditor
PS: vi(m) uses some ideas from ed, but is modernized for faster connections where you can update the whole screen efficiently and not only lines.
Last edited by progandy (2014-03-14 10:43:13)
| alias CUTF='LANG=en_XX.UTF-8@POSIX ' |
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Is there anybody out there who really uses this? I
I do.
Primarily I use vim. But ed has its uses. Not the least of which is if you tinker with ed for a while, you're use of vim may become much more efficient. All the benefits of vim are sometimes hard to realize when there are essentially a set of training wheels that allows users to stick with more familiar but less efficient 'gui-like' interaction.
Of course none of this supports ed being in the base group.
"UNIX is simple and coherent..." - Dennis Ritchie, "GNU's Not UNIX" - Richard Stallman
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When I first stumbled upon ed reading this quote I thought "Wow, this must be hell of an editor!!", installed it and was shocked. After some research I began to understand what ed really is. Few seconds later it was off my hd. So maybe it wouldn't be a complete waste of time to actually play with it? E.g. do the vimtutor with ed?
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If you want actually to try ed, do an alias like this:
alias 'ed'='rlwrap ed -p": "'
"because is crap" is quite an argument; however it applies to other stuff too... I guess lots of people would say the same about vi vs vim or emacs... still vi and ed should be there for POSIX compliance (and avoiding discriminating remarks)
But I get the point, thanks everyone!
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We don't care much about POSIX compliance...
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You set up your own installation. ed is in the core repository so it is very easy to add if you want a fully POSIX compliant system. The base-installation is just that: A base to build on.
| alias CUTF='LANG=en_XX.UTF-8@POSIX ' |
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If you installed the whole base group, make sure you remove all the crap they put in there and keep just the good stuff.
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I think that ed as a scripting language lasted longer than ed as an interactive editor.
I was disappointed that neither emacs (understandably) nor ed were available during the install (I can't remember if I even tried vi, but I don't know it well enough to use without a functioning Web browser, which I didn't have either). I got the job done with grep, but was a little surpised that everything worked without ed.
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On the install medium, simply enter
# pacman -Sy emacs ed
once you are online. This will install them into the live system (in memory).
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