KF 5 & Plasma

enoop · 2014-10-11 22:20:48

delete or rename .config and .cache and the kde folders in /var/tmp

tuxador · 2014-10-15 17:38:47

so plasma 5.1 is already there, i hope a pacman -Syu will bring this magic very soon (heavy breathing)

could we expect a fix for plasma-framework too ?

davidm · 2014-10-15 18:19:53

tuxador wrote:

so plasma 5.1 is already there, i hope a pacman -Syu will bring this magic very soon (heavy breathing)
could we expect a fix for plasma-framework too ?

I think most distros are probably going to wait until 2015. There is a chance that some might do it in December/Jan with the next major applications update. It would be great if Arch offered it in the regular repos though.

Anyway I'm about to jump in with plasma-desktop 5.1 now from AUR.

Edited/added:

I just saw this blog post:

When will it be in distributions?
Everyone is being very conservative with our 5.x release mostly due to historical reasons of other major releases; Kubuntu in a few weeks will release two ISOs one with classic KDE SC 4, and the other with Plasma 5.

http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/p … rmal_users

So maybe some might have it sooner after all?

Last edited by davidm (2014-10-15 18:26:31)

kostas213 · 2014-10-15 20:04:58

A quick question about Plasma 5: if I upgrade to Plasma 5, the settings of Workspaces 4 are being discarded or not? For example, should I expect that I'll find my desktop as it was or Plasma 5 creates a new configuration from scratch?

arojas · 2014-10-15 20:21:48

kostas213 wrote:

A quick question about Plasma 5: if I upgrade to Plasma 5, the settings of Workspaces 4 are being discarded or not? For example, should I expect that I'll find my desktop as it was or Plasma 5 creates a new configuration from scratch?

No, it will start with a clean configuration. Plasma internals have changed considerably, so most settings from KDE4 workspace wouldn't make sense in Plasma 5 anyway. You won't lose your KDE4 configuration though: if you go back to KDE4 workspace, it will still be exactly how you left it.

kostas213 · 2014-10-15 20:53:07

arojas wrote:

kostas213 wrote:
A quick question about Plasma 5: if I upgrade to Plasma 5, the settings of Workspaces 4 are being discarded or not? For example, should I expect that I'll find my desktop as it was or Plasma 5 creates a new configuration from scratch?
No, it will start with a clean configuration. Plasma internals have changed considerably, so most settings from KDE4 workspace wouldn't make sense in Plasma 5 anyway. You won't lose your KDE4 configuration though: if you go back to KDE4 workspace, it will still be exactly how you left it.

And if I am correct, Plasma 5 is not co-installable with Workspaces 4, right?

Humar · 2014-10-15 21:01:48

Any news on when Plasma Desktop will be a package? With my connection and on my notebook/netbook I can't compile it, it just takes too long

tuxador · 2014-10-15 21:05:30

me neither! i have an error every time trying to :-/

AnAkkk · 2014-10-15 21:06:52

davidm wrote:

tuxador wrote:
so plasma 5.1 is already there, i hope a pacman -Syu will bring this magic very soon (heavy breathing)
could we expect a fix for plasma-framework too ?
I think most distros are probably going to wait until 2015. There is a chance that some might do it in December/Jan with the next major applications update. It would be great if Arch offered it in the regular repos though.
Anyway I'm about to jump in with plasma-desktop 5.1 now from AUR.
Edited/added:
I just saw this blog post:
When will it be in distributions?
Everyone is being very conservative with our 5.x release mostly due to historical reasons of other major releases; Kubuntu in a few weeks will release two ISOs one with classic KDE SC 4, and the other with Plasma 5.
http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/p … rmal_users
So maybe some might have it sooner after all?

In many distributions (openSUSE, Manjaro, Kubuntu, etc) there are already packages available since a while (with "unstable" or just official repositories). Arch is just late...

arojas · 2014-10-15 21:07:24

kostas213 wrote:

And if I am correct, Plasma 5 is not co-installable with Workspaces 4, right?

Correct

andre.vmatos · 2014-10-15 21:27:05

Should be a way to make plasma5 co-installable with KDE4. If I'm not mistaken, Fedora did it, no? Even if we need to set a ton of environment variables before starting session, or even losing some features (because of some wrong udev or whatelse files that couldn't be in the correct folders), would be better if we could test and start using this packages in our system.

azzido · 2014-10-15 22:10:44

arojas, thanks for all your work maintaining KDE packages in AUR.

davidm · 2014-10-15 22:35:37

I'm up and running on Plasma 5.1. I'm pretty impressed with it so far but I have yet to try to tweak the little paper cuts yet. I did go ahead and wipe away most of my KDE 4.x install to do it but that isn't really a big deal for me as I can always go back to it. I plan on using this for a daily rider so hopefully it goes well.

azzido wrote:

arojas, thanks for all your work maintaining KDE packages in AUR.

+1

tuxador · 2014-10-16 01:01:24

davidm wrote:

I'm up and running on Plasma 5.1. I'm pretty impressed with it so far but I have yet to try to tweak the little paper cuts yet. I did go ahead and wipe away most of my KDE 4.x install to do it but that isn't really a big deal for me as I can always go back to it. I plan on using this for a daily rider so hopefully it goes well.

i'm very excited the new look'n'feel , the responsiveness of the whole stuff and the stability of the desktop.... great job kde5 team (and Arojas )

surfatwork · 2014-10-16 08:45:14

thanks, arojas for maintaining the AUR packages - there's a lot of them!!
installed 5.1 yesterday and it feels snappier. for some reason, the default breeze theme doesnt seem to fit well with dolphin or gtk apps - puzzled, because I saw a blog post from one of the KDE developers stating that the new breeze theme fit qt and gtK equally well.
also, dual monitors still doesnt work - kscreen/kscreen-frameworks-git (with either libkscreen or libkscreen-git) does random things. KDE startup is also much slower with dual monitors.

but overall, good stuff.

arojas · 2014-10-16 10:58:52

surfatwork wrote:

for some reason, the default breeze theme doesnt seem to fit well with dolphin or gtk apps - puzzled, because I saw a blog post from one of the KDE developers stating that the new breeze theme fit qt and gtK equally well.

Do you have breeze-kde4 installed? There's no breeze for gtk, I don't know where you read that...

surfatwork · 2014-10-16 12:06:10

err....yes. I misread that. the blog actually said that it was now difficult to tell qt4 and plasma apps apart. http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/p … rmal_users
sorry....
I installed breeze-kde4 (didnt have it previously) and it looks like this

Is this how it supposed to look?

Edit: realized the above is NOT how it is supposed to look after I created a new user. So some config file has got corrupted - can anyone tell me config file to delete? this affects a lot of apps - firefox, dolphin etc. as the screenshots below show:

tia

Last edited by surfatwork (2014-10-16 12:28:18)

arojas · 2014-10-16 12:23:48

surfatwork wrote:

Is this how it supposed to look?

Not at all. Try selecting another theme and then breeze again in systemsettings, or run /usr/lib/kconf_update_bin/kde4breeze manually.

surfatwork · 2014-10-16 12:31:20

arojas wrote:

Not at all. Try selecting another theme and then breeze again in systemsettings, or run /usr/lib/kconf_update_bin/kde4breeze manually.

thanks. tried both of those, but didnt work.

arojas · 2014-10-16 13:06:44

surfatwork wrote:

thanks. tried both of those, but didnt work.

Can you try removing ~/.config/Trolltech.conf ?

FarStar07 · 2014-10-16 13:35:40

Hello arojas,

A big thank you for your work!

Personally, I get this:

Is this how it supposed to look (breeze theme)?

I've removed ~/.config/Trolltech.conf ./kde4 .local .cache

Thanks;)

arojas · 2014-10-16 13:41:16

FarStar07 wrote:

Is this how it supposed to look (breeze theme)?

Yes, that's the breeze style, but it doesn't look like the breeze color scheme, did you change it?

FarStar07 · 2014-10-16 13:45:11

arojas wrote:

FarStar07 wrote:
Is this how it supposed to look (breeze theme)?
Yes, that's the breeze style, but it doesn't look like the breeze color scheme, did you change it?

No. I just finished the installation.
I find that colors are odd (not very pretty...)
Edit: Fixed
Everything is ok now (Breeze theme, colors & icons in KDE4 Apps).

Last edited by FarStar07 (2014-10-17 13:17:19)

surfatwork · 2014-10-16 14:48:44

thanks very much, arojas. deleting Trolltech.conf fixed the qt elements (e.g. dolphin, ksnapshot etc.)

1. gtk elements remain in the win95 era

2. icon sizes in the task bar (icons only and normal one) have become super small.

I tried the following with no success with the above 2 issues
- removing and re-adding the applets
- running the command you suggested earlier (kconf_update_bin)
- deselecting and reselecting the breeze theme.
- rebooting

arojas · 2014-10-16 15:00:01

surfatwork wrote:

1. gtk elements remain in the win95 era

You can use kde-gtk-config-frameworks to change your gtk theme from systemsettings. But as I said, breeze does not provide a gtk theme, so if you want 100% consistency you will have to use a theme that has qt5, qt4 and gtk versions (like oxygen or qtcurve)

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