Gnome software

dsreyes1014 · 2014-09-17 19:08:53

Just selected update tab and it asks to restart and install after I do a refresh. Arch reboots then freezes. Thats it.

brittyazel · 2014-09-18 03:18:27

There are people reporting that an update to gnome unstable caused their systems to not boot today. Is it possible that this is the issue you are describing? In which case it isn't packagekits fault, but rather the gnome packages

dsreyes1014 · 2014-09-18 04:14:55

brittyazel wrote:

There are people reporting that an update to gnome unstable caused their systems to not boot today. Is it possible that this is the issue you are describing? In which case it isn't packagekits fault, but rather the gnome packages

Most likely the same issue and the gnome packages seem to make sense. The package list seem to be limited. I don't even see a Firefox. Is that being worked on as well or do I have to do something else to get more packages to come up?

beidl · 2014-09-22 19:11:01

dsreyes1014 wrote:

Just selected update tab and it asks to restart and install after I do a refresh. Arch reboots then freezes. Thats it.

What happened is that the system-update target was started, but you had no service that could run in that target.
You have to activate the respective service in order to make updates via GNOME Software work.

# systemctl enable packagekit-offline-update.service

In case someone did an update via GNOME Software and is stuck at boot, just add

break=postmount

to your kernel parameters, boot and do

# rm /system-update

dsreyes1014 · 2014-09-22 19:58:21

beidl wrote:

dsreyes1014 wrote:
Just selected update tab and it asks to restart and install after I do a refresh. Arch reboots then freezes. Thats it.
What happened is that the system-update target was started, but you had no service that could run in that target.
You have to activate the respective service in order to make updates via GNOME Software work.
# systemctl enable packagekit-offline-update.service
In case someone did an update via GNOME Software and is stuck at boot, just add
break=postmount
to your kernel parameters, boot and do
# rm /system-update

Thank you very much for this!!!

hlavijak · 2014-10-23 18:14:05

Hi,

is there any way how to install gnome-software package without enabling unstable repository? Because, If I it understand right, if I will enable unstable repository, all packages will upgrade from there.

Thanks

Thorsten Reinbold · 2014-10-23 20:04:11

One Question: I don't see any Software in gnome-software. Also, Updates aren't working (greyed out). Do I miss something?

Last edited by Thorsten Reinbold (2014-10-23 20:04:23)

blackout23 · 2014-10-23 21:29:02

Thorsten Reinbold wrote:

One Question: I don't see any Software in gnome-software. Also, Updates aren't working (greyed out). Do I miss something?

You need to install the appstream metadata manually. The guy who did the work to get it working on Arch pulled the metadata from the Arch repo and put it into an appstream file.
It only worked for me with the appstream-glib-git from AUR, though. Gnome Software and packagekit is buggy anyway and will not be moved from [gnome-unstable].

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/42108
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 2#p1466762

Thorsten Reinbold · 2014-10-23 21:33:52

Thanks for your answer. I've tried that already, without luck. Seems as we have to wait a bit longer. Not that gnome-software is a must have (thanks to yaourt). Another Question I have: how can one use gnome-software to edit the folders in the appview? That is a way more interesting point for me.

Last edited by Thorsten Reinbold (2014-10-23 21:34:18)

blackout23 · 2014-10-23 21:41:02

For me that was also pretty buggy. First you need to import the metadata otherwise Gnome Software won't recognize most of your applications in your overview. After that you just click the checkbox in the headerbar on the top right and select the apps that you want to move into another folder. I found it to be a bit cumbersome just to move icons around.

Thorsten Reinbold · 2014-10-23 22:17:58

Is it just me or is this option misplaced there? It would be (just my personal opinion) a lot better if you could make those settings in an application like alacarte.

Last edited by Thorsten Reinbold (2014-10-23 22:18:14)

brittyazel · 2014-10-26 21:25:08

The goal with app-folders is to just be able to make them dynamically from the overview, like what is found in android. Dragging an icon onto another creates a brand new app-folder, and dragging icons out of an app-folder back to the main level will automatically remove the app folder once it holds no more icons. That is what has been talked about. It just has not been implemented in Gnome-Shell yet. Patches welcome

analogicalK · 2014-10-30 13:37:30

beidl wrote:

dsreyes1014 wrote:
Just selected update tab and it asks to restart and install after I do a refresh. Arch reboots then freezes. Thats it.
What happened is that the system-update target was started, but you had no service that could run in that target.
You have to activate the respective service in order to make updates via GNOME Software work.
# systemctl enable packagekit-offline-update.service
In case someone did an update via GNOME Software and is stuck at boot, just add
break=postmount
to your kernel parameters, boot and do
# rm /system-update

THANK YOU!

fbourigault · 2015-02-26 09:16:43

Great news,

Software is available in AUR (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gnome-software/) . The alpm backend was fixed and the appstream metadata are now packaged for Arch Linux.

Give it a try !

PS : it's the 3.14.2 version. If it works well, it will be included in official repos with GNOME 3.16. So test it !

brittyazel · 2015-02-26 17:10:04

After installing, under new all I see is "firefox", though I can see all my installed apps under "installed". Searching for an app that I don't have installed (though I know is in the repos) results in a "no application found" message.

For some reason it is only showing me installed applications, and doesn't appear to know the existence of non installed apps.

**EDIT.
Solved my own problem by installing "archlinux-appstream-data", which also pulls in appstream as a dependency. I have asked fbourigault to add this as a dependency to the aur build of Gnome-Software.

Last edited by brittyazel (2015-02-26 20:48:55)

brittyazel · 2015-02-26 20:57:34

I would also like to report a weird issue with applications showing up under "installed" with regards to app folders. Only one of the three Avahi applications that I have in my overview, and only one of the 4 Qt4 applications show up under the installed section, which means I cannot set all of those apps to be in the sundry folder, only one out of each group. I think this is due to apps having more than one .desktop file bundled per package. I do not know of a solution to this, but I though it worth mentioning.

fbourigault · 2015-02-27 10:02:47

I reported this in gnome-software bug tracker : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745277

brittyazel · 2015-02-27 16:30:39

Thanks Fabian. Great work BTW! So far so good. My only other issue is the known issue about tracking installed apps when switching between the GUI and pacman cli

dsreyes1014 · 2015-02-28 16:35:48

Problem installing apps. It just hangs with 'Installing' on app.
Also can't see all of my installed apps.

I did update the system through Gnome Software with success! :-)

fbourigault · 2015-03-02 10:04:24

brittyazel wrote:

Thanks Fabian. Great work BTW! So far so good. My only other issue is the known issue about tracking installed apps when switching between the GUI and pacman cli

This should be fixed since packagekit 1.0.5

fbourigault · 2015-03-03 12:56:37

As said by Matthias Clasen in the bug report about having more than one .desktop application per package, the best fix is to do on the packaging side. I analyzed appstream xml (from archlinux-appstream-data) package and there is only 31 packages providing more than one application.

hugin:
    PTBatcherGUI.desktop
    calibrate_lens_gui.desktop
    hugin.desktop
fox:
    PathFinder.desktop
    adie.desktop
thunar:
    Thunar-bulk-rename.desktop
    Thunar.desktop
qt4:
    assistant-qt4.desktop
    designer-qt4.desktop
    linguist-qt4.desktop
    qdbusviewer-qt4.desktop
qt5-tools:
    assistant.desktop
    designer.desktop
    linguist.desktop
    qdbusviewer.desktop
calligra-words:
    author.desktop
    words.desktop
avahi:
    avahi-discover.desktop
    bssh.desktop
    bvnc.desktop
puzzles:
    blackbox.desktop
    bridges.desktop
    cube.desktop
    dominosa.desktop
    fifteen.desktop
    filling.desktop
    flip.desktop
    flood.desktop
    galaxies.desktop
    guess.desktop
    inertia.desktop
    keen.desktop
    lightup.desktop
    loopy.desktop
    magnets.desktop
    map.desktop
    mines.desktop
    net.desktop
    netslide.desktop
    pattern.desktop
    pearl.desktop
    pegs.desktop
    range.desktop
    rect.desktop
    samegame.desktop
    signpost.desktop
    singles.desktop
    sixteen.desktop
    slant.desktop
    solo.desktop
    tents.desktop
    towers.desktop
    twiddle.desktop
    undead.desktop
    unequal.desktop
    unruly.desktop
    untangle.desktop
fltk-games:
    blocks.desktop
    checkers.desktop
    sudoku.desktop
calibre:
    calibre-ebook-edit.desktop
    calibre-ebook-viewer.desktop
    calibre-gui.desktop
    calibre-lrfviewer.desktop
digikam:
    digikam.desktop
    showfoto.desktop
dispcalgui:
    dispcalGUI-3DLUT-maker.desktop
    dispcalGUI-VRML-to-X3D-converter.desktop
    dispcalGUI-curve-viewer.desktop
    dispcalGUI-profile-info.desktop
    dispcalGUI-scripting-client.desktop
    dispcalGUI-synthprofile.desktop
    dispcalGUI-testchart-editor.desktop
    dispcalGUI.desktop
kipi-plugins:
    dngconverter.desktop
    expoblending.desktop
    panoramagui.desktop
    photolayoutseditor.desktop
    scangui.desktop
drumstick:
    drumstick-drumgrid.desktop
    drumstick-guiplayer.desktop
    drumstick-vpiano.desktop
freeciv:
    freeciv-modpack.desktop
    freeciv.desktop
geda-gaf:
    geda-gattrib.desktop
    geda-gschem.desktop
mono-tools:
    gendarme-wizard.desktop
    ilcontrast.desktop
    monodoc.desktop
orage:
    globaltime.desktop
    xfcalendar.desktop
gmerlin:
    gmerlin-alsamixer.desktop
    gmerlin-kbd.desktop
    gmerlin-player.desktop
    gmerlin-plugincfg.desktop
    gmerlin-recorder.desktop
    gmerlin-transcoder.desktop
    gmerlin-visualizer.desktop
alsa-tools:
    hdspconf.desktop
    hdspmixer.desktop
kalgebra:
    kalgebra.desktop
    kalgebramobile.desktop
krusader:
    krusader.desktop
    krusader_root-mode.desktop
libreoffice-fresh:
    libreoffice-base.desktop
    libreoffice-calc.desktop
    libreoffice-draw.desktop
    libreoffice-impress.desktop
    libreoffice-math.desktop
    libreoffice-startcenter.desktop
    libreoffice-writer.desktop
mate-utils:
    mate-dictionary.desktop
    mate-disk-usage-analyzer.desktop
    mate-screenshot.desktop
    mate-search-tool.desktop
gnome-main-menu:
    mate-session-logout.desktop
    mate-session-shutdown.desktop
    trigger-panel-run-dialog.desktop
neverball:
    neverball.desktop
    neverputt.desktop
openmw:
    opencs.desktop
    openmw.desktop
rxvt-unicode:
    urxvt-tabbed.desktop
    urxvt.desktop
    urxvtc.desktop
xfe:
    xfe.desktop
    xfi.desktop
    xfp.desktop
    xfw.desktop
xonotic:
    xonotic-glx.desktop
    xonotic-sdl.desktop
zynaddsubfx:
    zynaddsubfx-alsa.desktop
    zynaddsubfx-jack.desktop
    zynaddsubfx.desktop

I don't know what to do to fix this issue, but I think maintainers of those packages don't want to split just for GNOME Software.

arojas · 2015-03-03 13:31:51

fbourigault wrote:

I don't know what to do to fix this issue, but I think maintainers of those packages don't want to split just for GNOME Software.

The same happens in muon. Regardless of whether it's a good idea or not to split each application in its own package, this should be somehow fixed upstream, as there are cases where splitting is impossible (for instance in the krusader case, one of the desktop files simply launches the application as root).

fbourigault · 2015-03-03 14:25:59

I think the crusader case different from the other because it's the same app. I think the root mode should be discarded while building the XML.

brittyazel · 2015-03-05 05:19:42

IMO Mathias isn't wrong. It would be easier for the end users to manage packages if there were one per package. A great case in point is the Qt4 package, in which case, since they are bundled together you manditorilly get designer, linguist, assistant, and qdbusviewer, when all I really want is spotify, dropbox, and VLC! And I can't remove those 4 packages because to do so I need to get rid of my entire qt4 stack. This is contrary to the way Qt5 is being packaged, which is great for Qt5, however Qt4 is still a mess.

Do you think it appropriate to try to push for a no more than one application per package policy for arch, or potentially just emailing the packagers and asking them to change. Or should we just give up on the idea?

EDIT** Qt5 does still bundle them together, but does so in a non-manditory package called Qt5-tools. Better, but still not great.

Last edited by brittyazel (2015-03-05 05:21:34)

brittyazel · 2015-03-05 05:53:01

I decided to test the water with the Qt packager:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/44054

We can see how it goes :-/

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