KF 5 & Plasma

Carl Karl · 2015-05-08 12:40:20

extra/kmix works for me in Tray of Plasma 5.

arojas · 2015-05-08 15:00:02

achilleas.k wrote:

Isn't extra/kmix the KF5 version of the program?

Kmix is the KF5 version, yes

student975 · 2015-05-08 22:33:59

Does anybody actively use custom shortcuts? I do, and at some point they just stop working (and do work some time with new session). On opening configuration dialog switching to systemsettings / shortcuts / custom shortcuts tab sometimes freezes. Has anybody got similar issues? Yes, I have tried to clean /var/tmp/user/ and ~/.cache/ without issue resolving. Any hints?

arojas · 2015-05-08 22:39:36

student975 wrote:

Does anybody actively use custom shortcuts? I do, and at some point they just stop working (and do work some time with new session). On opening configuration dialog switching to systemsettings / shortcuts / custom shortcuts tab sometimes freezes. Has anybody got similar issues? Yes, I have tried to clean /var/tmp/user/ and ~/.cache/ without issue resolving. Any hints?

Looks like kglobalaccel5 may be crashing. Anything relevant in the journal?

zanny · 2015-05-08 22:44:20

student975 wrote:

Does anybody actively use custom shortcuts?

You could try deleting ~/.config/khotkeysrc and ~/.config/kglobalshortcutrc which might be malformed. You will lose all custom shortcuts but it would regenerate on your next login. I have several custom shortcuts (to open programs mostly) and have been running 5.3 for a week now without issue using them constantly.

Last edited by zanny (2015-05-08 22:45:18)

student975 · 2015-05-08 22:48:53

zanny wrote:

This is the most baffling bug I've had on KDE5. I like having meta-g as a ksysguard shortcut to open the task manager. I set that as a custom shortcut in kde4, and did the same here. The problem is using the action of any variant of ksysguard \ sh ksysguard \ /usr/bin/ksysguard gives me an "Service 'kded/ksysguard.desktop' is malformatted." error. I can run it fine as an application pinned to my dock, through a normal terminal, or through krunner, but trying to make it a shortcut gives me a malformed desktop file error. I can even open the ksysguard.desktop file in /usr/share/applications no problem. I have less than zero idea what could cause this, or even how to begin fixing it. I assume kded might be mistakenly trying to run ksysguard.desktop rather than org.kde.ksysguard.desktop... but why would it be doing that? I'm invoking ksysguard from a terminal! Hell, I can even invoke it from a shell command and this happens!

I"m happy with this magic also

student975 · 2015-05-08 23:07:42

@arojas, no, there isn't something interesting in the journal or xsession errors. kglobalaccel5 was still running. Few times I have met error dialog saying something about kded, and there are three running ones - kded4 and kded5 (twice). The first kded5 is started by sddm user, and the second by me.

@zanny, thanks, I'll try. At any case on adding new shortcuts just now I have noticed strange behavior: I have added a shortcut. applied changes, then edited the shortcut command, applied changes again, invoked - but the first command was activated. So I was forced to remove the shortcut and add it again with valid command before the first "Apply" click

Last edited by student975 (2015-05-08 23:27:49)

agapito · 2015-05-09 02:50:12

CyrIng wrote:

Can't wait to have all apps for kf5 in extra/ Packages, I still miss dolphin

You can compile dolphin-git, and dolphin-plugins-frameworks-git from AUR.

CyrIng · 2015-05-09 05:28:32

agapito wrote:

CyrIng wrote:
Can't wait to have all apps for kf5 in extra/ Packages, I still miss dolphin
You can compile dolphin-git, and dolphin-plugins-frameworks-git from AUR.

Thanks for this
However I'm confused about version numbers : binary packages with 15.x vs git source pkg ?
How to be sure I won't grabe kde4 craps ?
Is there a group or meta for kf5 ready apps ?
Regards

pb · 2015-05-09 06:53:16

CyrIng wrote:

However I'm confused about version numbers : binary packages with 15.x vs git source pkg ?

We have 3 times a year KDE Applications. They are numbered:
XX.YY.ZZ where
XX are 2 last digits of year of release (now 15, it will be 16 next year, etc)
YY are month of release (04 for April, 08 for September and 12 for December)
ZZ are minor release (01, 02, 03).
In KDE Applications we have some applications build against of KDE4 libs and some against of KF5.
There aren't any "numbers" like this in git. Applications from git are realy rolling release Number of them (i.e. dolphin-git) usually means:
rXXXX.YYYYY, where rXXXX is revision number, and YYYYY is commit number. You should build git application from time to time.
You should install KF5.10 to build dolphin-git, but Kscreengenie or Ark build well, but we cannot run it now (KF5.10, GCC5.1).

CyrIng wrote:

How to be sure I won't grabe kde4 craps ?

You must read PKGBUILD of it. Almost all arojas' git version in AUR are build against of KF5.

CyrIng wrote:

Is there a group or meta for kf5 ready apps ?

No.

Last edited by pb (2015-05-09 07:05:45)

agapito · 2015-05-09 06:55:29

CyrIng wrote:

agapito wrote:
CyrIng wrote:
Can't wait to have all apps for kf5 in extra/ Packages, I still miss dolphin
You can compile dolphin-git, and dolphin-plugins-frameworks-git from AUR.
Thanks for this
However I'm confused about version numbers : binary packages with 15.x vs git source pkg ?
How to be sure I won't grabe kde4 craps ?
Is there a group or meta for kf5 ready apps ?
Regards

Well, if you don't have qt4 installed in your system (like me), then you don't have any kde4 app, for sure. I am trying to work with a pure qt5 desktop.

I don't know all kf5 apps ready in extra repo, but i have installed these: kmix, konversation, kate, konsole, gwenview, okteta, kdenlive, partitionmanager, filelight.

From aur i grabbed: ark-frameworks-git, dolphin-git, dolphin-plugins-frameworks-git, ffmpegthumbs-git (video previews in dolphin), k3b-frameworks-git, ksnapshot-frameworks-git, okular-frameworks-git, plasma-applet-weather-widget-git, plasma-applet-network-monitor-git, skanlite-frameworks-git.

Ktorrent and Amarok development are dead, but then I use two qt5 apps, like transmission-qt and cantata. Smplayer-git + mpv for video playing, and avidemux-git with qt5 fronted for video editing. For voice and video conferencing qtox-git. I've tried qupzilla-git with the chrome backend, but is not stable at this moment.

Last edited by agapito (2015-05-12 03:29:16)

pb · 2015-05-09 07:08:53

We have very fine webside with porting to KF5 status: http://developer.kde.org/~cfeck/portingstatus.html
Of course it's about git version.

Carl Karl · 2015-05-09 09:41:06

Gnome 3.16 applications have a black frame around their windows in KF/Plasma 5. Downgrading to the 3.14 Versions of gtk3 http://seblu.net/a/arm/packages/g/gtk3/ … pkg.tar.xz or http://seblu.net/a/arm/packages/g/gtk3/ … pkg.tar.xz (add IgnorePkg = gtk3 to /etc/pacman.conf) works to remove that black frames. Other workarounds?

mouseman · 2015-05-09 10:00:43

Trying to build dolphin-git I get:

aur-dolphin-git/src/dolphin/src/statusbar/statusbarspaceinfo.cpp:28:38: fatal error: KNS3/KMoreToolsMenuFactory: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.
src/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_dolphin.dir/build.make:1353: recipe for target 'src/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_dolphin.dir/statusbar/statusbarspaceinfo.cpp.o' failed
make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_dolphin.dir/statusbar/statusbarspaceinfo.cpp.o] Error 1
CMakeFiles/Makefile2:677: recipe for target 'src/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_dolphin.dir/all' failed
make[1]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_dolphin.dir/all] Error 2
Makefile:116: recipe for target 'all' failed
make: *** [all] Error 2
==> ERROR: A failure occurred in build().
    Aborting...
==> ERROR: Makepkg was unable to build dolphin-git.

A search didn't find me anything specific, any ideas?

agapito · 2015-05-09 10:06:45

mouseman wrote:

Trying to build dolphin-git I get:

aur-dolphin-git/src/dolphin/src/statusbar/statusbarspaceinfo.cpp:28:38: fatal error: KNS3/KMoreToolsMenuFactory: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.
src/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_dolphin.dir/build.make:1353: recipe for target 'src/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_dolphin.dir/statusbar/statusbarspaceinfo.cpp.o' failed
make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_dolphin.dir/statusbar/statusbarspaceinfo.cpp.o] Error 1
CMakeFiles/Makefile2:677: recipe for target 'src/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_dolphin.dir/all' failed
make[1]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_dolphin.dir/all] Error 2
Makefile:116: recipe for target 'all' failed
make: *** [all] Error 2
==> ERROR: A failure occurred in build().
    Aborting...
==> ERROR: Makepkg was unable to build dolphin-git.

A search didn't find me anything specific, any ideas?

Install kf5.10 packages from testing, delete baloo-widgets-git in pkgbuild, and should compile fine.

mouseman · 2015-05-09 11:53:11

Thanks agapito.

Almost done, final one that throws an error is k3b-frameworks-git:

==> ERROR: Makepkg was unable to build k3b-frameworks-git.

Above is fixed by removing AUR package musepack-tools.

What's a bit unclear to me is, if I enable the testing repo to install something (like kf5 above), can I disable it afterwards so it doesn't upgrade my entire system to testing?

Last edited by mouseman (2015-05-09 12:59:44)

Buddlespit · 2015-05-09 12:59:06

mouseman wrote:

Also what's unclear to me is, if I enable the testing repo to install something (like kf5 above), can I disable it afterwards so it doesn't upgrade my entire system to testing?

You can manually select what will be updated/upgraded. Then turn testing back off and watch the testing repo to see if the kde packages update or new kde packages are added. Or you can just leave testing off and wait for everything to move to extra. Personally, I wait. I just don't have the time (at the moment, maybe in the future) to invest watching testing, community testing and/or kde_unstable or to try to fix/rollback an app that's being tested.

achilleas.k · 2015-05-09 13:16:26

pb wrote:

We have very fine webside with porting to KF5 status: http://developer.kde.org/~cfeck/portingstatus.html
Of course it's about git version.

Absolutely splendid. Thanks for the link.

student975 · 2015-05-09 13:56:11

student975 wrote:

@arojas, no, there isn't something interesting in the journal or xsession errors. kglobalaccel5 was still running. Few times I have met error dialog saying something about kded, and there are three running ones - kded4 and kded5 (twice). The first kded5 is started by sddm user, and the second by me.
@zanny, thanks, I'll try. At any case on adding new shortcuts just now I have noticed strange behavior: I have added a shortcut. applied changes, then edited the shortcut command, applied changes again, invoked - but the first command was activated. So I was forced to remove the shortcut and add it again with valid command before the first "Apply" click

After removing ~/.config/khotkeysrc and ~/.config/kglobalshortcutrc and adding custom shortcuts it worked some time, but at some moment just stopped again. Custom shortcuts tab contains KMenu editor shortcut and nothing else. kglobalaccel5 is running, journal is silent. I have ~15 custom shortcuts, and I'm almost frustrated with the issue... Hey, my luck, where are you?!..

Last edited by student975 (2015-05-10 07:46:00)

Llama · 2015-05-10 07:18:54

What's different with the Plasma System Tray? I can't see the Dropbox icon, I can't put qBittorrent icon there, etc. It's a pattern.

mouseman · 2015-05-10 07:22:24

I dont know about dropbox but qbittorrent icon shows in the tray for me, as do all other icons for the programs I use.

Carl Karl · 2015-05-10 07:23:20

@Llama:
RTFWiki! ;-) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pl … Tray_Icons
Dropbox: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 3#p1526713

Llama · 2015-05-10 09:30:10

Carl Karl wrote:

@Llama:
RTFWiki! ;-) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pl … Tray_Icons
Dropbox: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 3#p1526713

Thanks, Carl! qBittorrent is OK, but KFileBox doesn't appear on the Entries menu in System Tray Settings.

Soukyuu · 2015-05-11 22:21:33

agapito wrote:

Install kf5.10 packages from testing, delete baloo-widgets-git in pkgbuild, and should compile fine.

It compiles fine now, and it seems the problem I was having with shortcuts reverting to default and clashing with my custom ones is now gone. Yay.

zanny · 2015-05-11 22:32:13

Dunno if the KF 5.10 update caused it (reverting doesn't fix it) but if I open any program from the application launcher, open file dialogs do not appear and the program freezes. (ex, open kate -> open file doesn't give me a filepicker dialog but it is still going uninteractable as if it had a child window). I have to xkill anything stuck like this.

This only happens with the plamashell created during startkde. If I kill it and restart it, open file dialogs work. If I open a program from Icon Tasks or KRunner, dialogs work. If I open programs on the terminakl file dialogs work. Its so bizzare but its reproducable every restart. Is there anywhere I can get the logging of that first plasmashell to try to see whats happening? It's already disturbing enough to watch a fresh plasmashell throw out hundreds of errors about malformed QML or null pointers on startup...

Last edited by zanny (2015-05-11 22:32:28)

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