Arch with xfce4 is running slow ?

Roken · 2022-01-29 19:43:58

It's not NM that's the problem. I'm on wired connections, with the same network config on laptop and desktop. This only happens on Desktop, laptop is fine.

I always assumed an NVidia thing (dual GTX1070, though it happened before I added the second card).

As I say, I can live with it, but if there's a solution out there, kudos.

seth · 2022-01-29 21:58:28

The dhcp server (your router) could still delay for a conflicting stale lease - the warm/cold condition is weired and this might indicate an actual problem somewhere else.
Does xfdesktop log into ~/.xsession-errors ?

Roken · 2022-01-30 07:40:01

All devices on my LAN are on static IPs, and so there should be no lease conflict.

I do have an ~/.xsession-errors file, but it's empty.

Last edited by Roken (2022-01-30 07:42:53)

seth · 2022-01-30 09:18:24

My last best idea would be to replace /usr/bin/xfdesktop w/ a script that does

#/bin/sh
strace -fto /tmp/xfdesktop.strace /usr/bin/xfdesktop

and hopefully be able to detect the stall there.

nahush · 2022-02-02 10:57:19

seth wrote:

are you talking about the network manager
Yes. On all levelsa.
I basically wonder whether xfce4-desktop tries to do some network IO here and times out because of that.

i did as you to ;s i completely closed down the service from systemctl and there was no change, i did got output of the time command you gave.

time command output after network manager closing down

[musicarch@musicArch ~]$ time echo "scale=5000; a(1)*4" | bc -l
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307\
81640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460955058\
22317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644\
28810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610\
45432664821339360726024914127372458700660631558817488152092096282925\
40917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572\
70365759591953092186117381932611793105118548074462379962749567351885\
75272489122793818301194912983367336244065664308602139494639522473719\
07021798609437027705392171762931767523846748184676694051320005681271\
45263560827785771342757789609173637178721468440901224953430146549585\
37105079227968925892354201995611212902196086403441815981362977477130\
99605187072113499999983729780499510597317328160963185950244594553469\
08302642522308253344685035261931188171010003137838752886587533208381\
42061717766914730359825349042875546873115956286388235378759375195778\
18577805321712268066130019278766111959092164201989380952572010654858\
63278865936153381827968230301952035301852968995773622599413891249721\
77528347913151557485724245415069595082953311686172785588907509838175\
46374649393192550604009277016711390098488240128583616035637076601047\
10181942955596198946767837449448255379774726847104047534646208046684\
25906949129331367702898915210475216205696602405803815019351125338243\
00355876402474964732639141992726042699227967823547816360093417216412\
19924586315030286182974555706749838505494588586926995690927210797509\
30295532116534498720275596023648066549911988183479775356636980742654\
25278625518184175746728909777727938000816470600161452491921732172147\
72350141441973568548161361157352552133475741849468438523323907394143\
33454776241686251898356948556209921922218427255025425688767179049460\
16534668049886272327917860857843838279679766814541009538837863609506\
80064225125205117392984896084128488626945604241965285022210661186306\
74427862203919494504712371378696095636437191728746776465757396241389\
08658326459958133904780275900994657640789512694683983525957098258226\
20522489407726719478268482601476990902640136394437455305068203496252\
45174939965143142980919065925093722169646151570985838741059788595977\
29754989301617539284681382686838689427741559918559252459539594310499\
72524680845987273644695848653836736222626099124608051243884390451244\
13654976278079771569143599770012961608944169486855584840635342207222\
58284886481584560285060168427394522674676788952521385225499546667278\
23986456596116354886230577456498035593634568174324112515076069479451\
09659609402522887971089314566913686722874894056010150330861792868092\
08747609178249385890097149096759852613655497818931297848216829989487\
22658804857564014270477555132379641451523746234364542858444795265867\
82105114135473573952311342716610213596953623144295248493718711014576\
54035902799344037420073105785390621983874478084784896833214457138687\
51943506430218453191048481005370614680674919278191197939952061419663\
42875444064374512371819217999839101591956181467514269123974894090718\
64942319615679452080951465502252316038819301420937621378559566389377\
87083039069792077346722182562599661501421503068038447734549202605414\
66592520149744285073251866600213243408819071048633173464965145390579\
62685610055081066587969981635747363840525714591028970641401109712062\
80439039759515677157700420337869936007230558763176359421873125147120\
53292819182618612586732157919841484882916447060957527069572209175671\
16722910981690915280173506712748583222871835209353965725121083579151\
36988209144421006751033467110314126711136990865851639831501970165151\
16851714376576183515565088490998985998238734552833163550764791853589\
32261854896321329330898570642046752590709154814165498594616371802709\
81994309924488957571282890592323326097299712084433573265489382391193\
25974636673058360414281388303203824903758985243744170291327656180937\
73444030707469211201913020330380197621101100449293215160842444859637\
66983895228684783123552658213144957685726243344189303968642624341077\
32269780280731891544110104468232527162010526522721116603966655730925\
47110557853763466820653109896526918620564769312570586356620185581007\
29360659876486117910453348850346113657686753249441668039626579787718\
55608455296541266540853061434443185867697514566140680070023787765913\
44017127494704205622305389945613140711270004078547332699390814546646\
45880797270826683063432858785698305235808933065757406795457163775254\
20211495576158140025012622859413021647155097925923099079654737612551\
76567513575178296664547791745011299614890304639947132962107340437518\
95735961458901938971311179042978285647503203198691514028708085990480\
10941214722131794764777262241425485454033215718530614228813758504306\
33217518297986622371721591607716692547487389866549494501146540628433\
66393790039769265672146385306736096571209180763832716641627488880078\
69256029022847210403172118608204190004229661711963779213375751149595\
01566049631862947265473642523081770367515906735023507283540567040386\
74351362222477158915049530984448933309634087807693259939780541934144\
73774418426312986080998886874132604720

real	0m15.861s
user	0m15.552s
sys	0m0.004s
[musicarch@musicArch ~]$ time sudo journalctl -b /dev/null
[sudo] password for musicarch: 
-- No entries --

real	0m3.073s
user	0m0.032s
sys	0m0.037s
[musicarch@musicArch ~]$

any other suggestion you might have , let me know

seth · 2022-02-02 12:19:54

seth wrote:

My last best idea would be to replace /usr/bin/xfdesktop w/ a script that does
#/bin/sh
strace -fto /tmp/xfdesktop.strace /usr/bin/xfdesktop
and hopefully be able to detect the stall there.

nahush · 2022-02-03 05:48:46

seth wrote:

seth wrote:
My last best idea would be to replace /usr/bin/xfdesktop w/ a script that does
#/bin/sh
strace -fto /tmp/xfdesktop.strace /usr/bin/xfdesktop
and hopefully be able to detect the stall there.

is this script need to be executable or any other permssion i need to give it for gathering the information . do let me know.

thank you

seth · 2022-02-03 07:21:25

is this script need to be executable

Obviously. Just use the owner/group and permissions of /usr/bin/xfdesktop

Maniaxx · 2022-02-03 11:49:27

Can you post 'blame, critical-chain and plot' from 'systemd-analyze'?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improv … ot_process

Did you check i/o activity? Is the HDD (LED) working (flashing) all the time?

Last edited by Maniaxx (2022-02-03 11:50:15)

nahush · 2022-02-03 18:40:25

seth wrote:

is this script need to be executable
Obviously. Just use the owner/group and permissions of /usr/bin/xfdesktop

i did as you told , there are number of files in /tmp folder which change with each new power on of laptop.also they dont have anything in them , i was not able to see the content of " dbus- "name file. the desktop wallpaper dosent come at all after this everything works but no wallpaper.
only black screen. i am going back to what it was.

output

musicarch@musicArch ~]$ cd /tmp
[musicarch@musicArch tmp]$ ls
dbus-ejE1mufIul
ssh-XXXXXX1MB07M
systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-logind.service-l040Gz
systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-timesyncd.service-rrI4WJ
systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-upower.service-KmL6mx
[musicarch@musicArch tmp]$ sudo cd /dbus-ejE1mufIul
[sudo] password for musicarch: 
sudo: cd: command not found
sudo: "cd" is a shell built-in command, it cannot be run directly.
sudo: the -s option may be used to run a privileged shell.
sudo: the -D option may be used to run a command in a specific directory.
[musicarch@musicArch tmp]$ cd /dbus-ejE1mufIul
bash: cd: /dbus-ejE1mufIul: No such file or directory
[musicarch@musicArch tmp]$ ls
dbus-ejE1mufIul   systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-logind.service-l040Gz     systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-upower.service-KmL6mx
ssh-XXXXXX1MB07M  systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-timesyncd.service-rrI4WJ
[musicarch@musicArch tmp]$ cd systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-logind.service-l040Gz/
bash: cd: systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-logind.service-l040Gz/: Permission denied
[musicarch@musicArch tmp]$ su cd systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-logind.service-l040Gz/
su: user cd does not exist or the user entry does not contain all the required fields
[musicarch@musicArch tmp]$ su
Password: 
[root@musicArch tmp]# ls
dbus-ejE1mufIul   systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-logind.service-l040Gz     systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-upower.service-KmL6mx
ssh-XXXXXX1MB07M  systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-timesyncd.service-rrI4WJ
[root@musicArch tmp]# cd systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-logind.service-l040Gz/
[root@musicArch systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-logind.service-l040Gz]# ls
tmp
[root@musicArch systemd-private-d645b8c7c80d47e68b1dc0ef06984087-systemd-logind.service-l040Gz]# cd tmp
[root@musicArch tmp]# ls
[root@musicArch tmp]# ls -A
[root@musicArch tmp]# ls -a
.  ..
[root@musicArch tmp]#

is this something you hoped for.
let me know.

Last edited by nahush (2022-02-03 18:41:05)

nahush · 2022-02-03 19:06:59

thank you for reply.

Maniaxx wrote:

Can you post 'blame, critical-chain and plot' from 'systemd-analyze'?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improv … ot_process
Did you check i/o activity? Is the HDD (LED) working (flashing) all the time?

hdd light flashes as i interact with file manager and files. as per your link i got some outputs which i am attaching.please find and let me know how should i use about this information for improvement.

output

[musicarch@musicArch ~]$ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 5.676s (firmware) + 5.339s (loader) + 3.404s (kernel) + 27.179s (userspace) = 41.599s 
graphical.target reached after 27.179s in userspace

[musicarch@musicArch ~]$ systemd-analyze blame
27.381s man-db.service
10.436s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
 8.385s systemd-journal-flush.service
 4.879s dev-sda2.device
 4.098s systemd-modules-load.service
 3.904s reflector.service
 2.023s polkit.service
 1.863s systemd-udevd.service
 1.501s NetworkManager.service
 1.337s systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-BF0C\x2dE5B4.service
 1.251s cups.service
  959ms bluetooth.service
  899ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
  896ms user@1000.service
  851ms upower.service
  776ms systemd-logind.service
  743ms systemd-sysctl.service
  719ms udisks2.service
  688ms systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-aba86f86\x2d81df\x2d4a07\x2da2b4\x2d44>
  687ms wpa_supplicant.service
  649ms systemd-random-seed.service
  520ms systemd-rfkill.service
  445ms systemd-backlight@leds:tpacpi::kbd_backlight.service
lines 1-23...skipping...
27.381s man-db.service
10.436s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
 8.385s systemd-journal-flush.service
 4.879s dev-sda2.device
 4.098s systemd-modules-load.service
 3.904s reflector.service
 2.023s polkit.service
 1.863s systemd-udevd.service
 1.501s NetworkManager.service
 1.337s systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-BF0C\x2dE5B4.service
 1.251s cups.service
  959ms bluetooth.service
  899ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
  896ms user@1000.service
  851ms upower.service
  776ms systemd-logind.service
  743ms systemd-sysctl.service
  719ms udisks2.service
  688ms systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-aba86f86\x2d81df\x2d4a07\x2da2b4\x2d44e8200d08f4.service
  687ms wpa_supplicant.service
  649ms systemd-random-seed.service
  520ms systemd-rfkill.service
  445ms systemd-backlight@leds:tpacpi::kbd_backlight.service
  348ms lightdm.service
  346ms systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service
  304ms home.mount
  254ms systemd-journald.service
  224ms lvm2-monitor.service
  222ms modprobe@fuse.service
  213ms systemd-udev-trigger.service
  181ms alsa-restore.service
  174ms dev-disk-by\x2duuid-afc7ed79\x2d625e\x2d44db\x2dbc46\x2d8002056bc4af.swap
  135ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
   99ms boot.mount
   95ms dev-hugepages.mount
   94ms dev-mqueue.mount
   92ms sys-kernel-debug.mount
   91ms sys-kernel-tracing.mount
   90ms kmod-static-nodes.service
   90ms modprobe@drm.service
   90ms modprobe@configfs.service
   89ms lm_sensors.service
   77ms systemd-remount-fs.service
   76ms systemd-timesyncd.service
   68ms systemd-update-utmp.service
   50ms rtkit-daemon.service
   45ms systemd-backlight@backlight:intel_backlight.service
   39ms systemd-user-sessions.service
   10ms user-runtime-dir@1000.service
    5ms proc-sys-fs-binfmt_misc.mount
    5ms sys-fs-fuse-connections.mount
    2ms sys-kernel-config.mount
    1ms tmp.mount

[musicarch@musicArch ~]$ systemd-analyze critical-chain
The time when unit became active or started is printed after the "@" character.
The time the unit took to start is printed after the "+" character.

graphical.target @27.179s
└─multi-user.target @27.179s
  └─systemd-user-sessions.service @12.837s +39ms in red
    └─network.target @12.832s
      └─wpa_supplicant.service @15.457s +687ms in red
        └─dbus.service @11.328s
          └─basic.target @11.325s
            └─sockets.target @11.325s
              └─dbus.socket @11.325s
                └─sysinit.target @11.298s
                  └─systemd-timesyncd.service @11.222s +76ms in red
                    └─systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service @11.075s +135ms in red
                      └─systemd-journal-flush.service @2.686s +8.385s in red
                        └─systemd-journald.service @2.430s +254ms in red
                          └─systemd-journald.socket @2.418s
                            └─-.mount @2.260s
                              └─-.slice @2.260s

seth · 2022-02-03 20:36:24

i did as you told , there are number of files in /tmp folder which change with each new power on of laptop.also they dont have anything in them , i was not able to see the content of " dbus- "name file.

What?

Ok, I guess I should have made this less casual - if you blindly followed this you probably deleted the binary (because I ran in the oldest of all traps there)

pacman -S xfdesktop # because you likely deleted the binary
mv /usr/bin/xfdesktop /usr/bin/xfdesktop.bin # move the binary to a save space ;-)
printf '#!/bin/sh\nstrace -fto /tmp/xfdesktop.strace /usr/bin/xfdesktop.bin\n' > /usr/bin/xfdesktop # create script
chown --reference /usr/bin/xfdesktop.bin /usr/bin/xfdesktop # copy owner
chmod --reference /usr/bin/xfdesktop.bin /usr/bin/xfdesktop # copy permissions

Maniaxx · 2022-02-04 15:55:07

'systemd-analyze' looks ok.

One more thing i could think of: Thunar/gvfs/automount.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/thunar … cold_start

nahush · 2022-02-05 10:54:05

seth wrote:

i did as you told , there are number of files in /tmp folder which change with each new power on of laptop.also they dont have anything in them , i was not able to see the content of " dbus- "name file.
What?
Ok, I guess I should have made this less casual - if you blindly followed this you probably deleted the binary (because I ran in the oldest of all traps there)
pacman -S xfdesktop # because you likely deleted the binary
mv /usr/bin/xfdesktop /usr/bin/xfdesktop.bin # move the binary to a save space ;-)
printf '#!/bin/sh\nstrace -fto /tmp/xfdesktop.strace /usr/bin/xfdesktop.bin\n' > /usr/bin/xfdesktop # create script
chown --reference /usr/bin/xfdesktop.bin /usr/bin/xfdesktop # copy owner
chmod --reference /usr/bin/xfdesktop.bin /usr/bin/xfdesktop # copy permissions

i didnt deleted the binary as i made a backup copy of the file before doing any edits.still i tried to reinstall the binary for safety. this is what i have from teminal.

[musicarch@musicArch ~]$ pacman -S xfdesktop
error: you cannot perform this operation unless you are root.
[musicarch@musicArch ~]$ sudo pacman -S xfdesktop
[sudo] password for musicarch: 
warning: xfdesktop-4.16.0-2 is up to date -- reinstalling
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Packages (1) xfdesktop-4.16.0-2

Total Installed Size:  2.88 MiB
Net Upgrade Size:      0.00 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] 
(1/1) checking keys in keyring                     [######################] 100%
(1/1) checking package integrity                   [######################] 100%
(1/1) loading package files                        [######################] 100%
(1/1) checking for file conflicts                  [######################] 100%
(1/1) checking available disk space                [######################] 100%
:: Processing package changes...
(1/1) reinstalling xfdesktop                       [######################] 100%
:: Running post-transaction hooks...
(1/3) Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate...
(2/3) Updating icon theme caches...
(3/3) Updating the desktop file MIME type cache...
[musicarch@musicArch ~]$

i guess everything is good in terms of binary.

i am trying again as commands you gave , will fill in details.

EDIT: After doing things you suggested i looked in /tmp which shows same result as i shown in post above.

Last edited by nahush (2022-02-05 11:24:02)

seth · 2022-02-05 11:55:23

Are you suggesting there's no /tmp/xfdesktop.strace? Does xfdesktop start?

nahush · 2022-02-06 18:15:57

seth wrote:

Are you suggesting there's no /tmp/xfdesktop.strace? Does xfdesktop start?

yes there was nothing like xfdesktop.strace file in tmp folder.yes desktop starts but without background wallpaper.

Last edited by nahush (2022-02-06 18:19:58)

seth · 2022-02-06 22:47:43

What'S the output of "ps aux | grel xfdesktop"? You you did everything right, there should be two matches - one for the script and one for the binary?

nahush · 2022-02-09 12:29:23

seth wrote:

What'S the output of "ps aux | grel xfdesktop"? You you did everything right, there should be two matches - one for the script and one for the binary?

thank you for reply
sorry for late reply, i have changed everything back to normal. output of the command you provided is after making everything normal as it was.

output

ps aux | grep xfdesktop
musicar+     769  0.0  0.1 544188 53188 ?        Sl   14:39   0:04 xfdesktop --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 2ce013a10-9f25-4c10-bfd6-8fd87f24e8dc
musicar+   20586  0.0  0.0   6496  2392 pts/0    S+   17:56   0:00 grep xfdesktop
[musicarch@musicArch ~]$

seth · 2022-02-09 21:41:47

Ok, but that's pointless - we need to know why the strace fails to produce a log.

nahush · 2022-02-15 11:17:52

seth wrote:

Ok, but that's pointless - we need to know why the strace fails to produce a log.

how can i do that please tell.

seth · 2022-02-15 16:12:54

Restore the script of #37 and after logging in check for the processes (#42)?
I want to see whether you actually end up running "strace xfdesktop"

Arch Linux

#26 2022-01-29 19:43:58

Re: Arch with xfce4 is running slow ?

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Re: Arch with xfce4 is running slow ?

#38 2022-02-04 15:55:07

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#40 2022-02-05 11:55:23

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#41 2022-02-06 18:15:57

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#42 2022-02-06 22:47:43

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#43 2022-02-09 12:29:23

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#44 2022-02-09 21:41:47

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#45 2022-02-15 11:17:52

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