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#26 2023-09-17 16:58:39

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

seth wrote:

"rootdelay=5" (waits 5 seconds before trying to mount the root FS
or
"boot_delay=1000", if it boots, that'll be slooooowly

"i8042.dumbkbd" along acpi=off might get you a keyboard and us a journal from an acpi-less boot of the "bad" kernel.


1st: no boot
2nd: no boot (only one attempt because of ca. 17 min wait time)
3rd: boots but no keyboard at sddm login
Always on 6.5.3

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#27 2023-09-17 17:01:17

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

seth do you think git bisection might help?

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#28 2023-09-17 19:05:20

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

What worries me is

sometimes it gets stuck at loading initial ramdisk even running a working kernel and I have to reboot to start the system. It has always done so.

what sounds as if this a race condition and you end at some innocent commit that just made something slower or faster (or false positives)

I'll throw an

acpi_osi=! acpi_osi="Windows 2009"

but am otherwise out of ideas.

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#29 2023-09-17 20:38:08

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

[quote=seth
I'll throw an

acpi_osi=! acpi_osi="Windows 2009"

but am otherwise out of ideas.[ /quote]

Neither this one worked. sad
It seems that this pc, or the OS, should be replaced. There is also Debian installed and works fine without problems.
Mysteries

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#30 2023-09-17 21:05:36

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

Does debian also run 6.5.3?

You could use the LTS kernel for the time being, but oc. at some point want to see this fixed.
loqs is probably gonna throw some bisection kernels at you…

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#31 2023-09-17 21:33:52

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

Debian stable runs on 6.1.0-12-amd64, is know that its packages are very old, especially compared to Arch ones. What I wanted to say about Debian is that it boots always at the first attempt, unlike Arch that sometimes stuck at loading initial ramdisk since 4.x,  5.x and  before 6.5.x kernel
I am very grateful for your support in trying to solve this odd issue and please apologize me for my bad english.

Last edited by Sandrino (2023-09-17 21:58:08)

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#32 2023-09-17 21:55:14

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SzRGbE … sp=sharing linux-6.5-1.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k-FP2A … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.5-1.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
Please test that 6.5 built with Arch's 6.5 config has the issue.

$ git bisect start
status: waiting for both good and bad commits
$ git bisect good v6.4
status: waiting for bad commit, 1 good commit known
$ git bisect bad v6.5
Bisecting: 7364 revisions left to test after this (roughly 13 steps)
[b775d6c5859affe00527cbe74263de05cfe6b9f9] Merge tag 'mips_6.5' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mips/linux

If linux-6.5-1.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst has the issue please try:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mzFisD … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r7309.gb775d6c5859a-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FN7ufH … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r7309.gb775d6c5859a-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

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#33 2023-09-17 22:02:04

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

loqs wrote:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SzRGbE … sp=sharing linux-6.5-1.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k-FP2A … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.5-1.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
Please test that 6.5 built with Arch's 6.5 config has the issue.

$ git bisect start
status: waiting for both good and bad commits
$ git bisect good v6.4
status: waiting for bad commit, 1 good commit known
$ git bisect bad v6.5
Bisecting: 7364 revisions left to test after this (roughly 13 steps)
[b775d6c5859affe00527cbe74263de05cfe6b9f9] Merge tag 'mips_6.5' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mips/linux

If linux-6.5-1.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst has the issue please try:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mzFisD … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r7309.gb775d6c5859a-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FN7ufH … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r7309.gb775d6c5859a-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst


Many thanks, tomorrow it will be done

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#34 2023-09-18 15:25:51

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

loqs wrote:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SzRGbE … sp=sharing linux-6.5-1.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k-FP2A … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.5-1.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
Please test that 6.5 built with Arch's 6.5 config has the issue.

$ git bisect start
status: waiting for both good and bad commits
$ git bisect good v6.4
status: waiting for bad commit, 1 good commit known
$ git bisect bad v6.5
Bisecting: 7364 revisions left to test after this (roughly 13 steps)
[b775d6c5859affe00527cbe74263de05cfe6b9f9] Merge tag 'mips_6.5' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mips/linux

If linux-6.5-1.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst has the issue please try:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mzFisD … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r7309.gb775d6c5859a-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FN7ufH … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r7309.gb775d6c5859a-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

Both don't boot

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#35 2023-09-18 15:37:40

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

$ git bisect bad
Bisecting: 3061 revisions left to test after this (roughly 12 steps)
[3a8a670eeeaa40d87bd38a587438952741980c18] Merge tag 'net-next-6.5' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net-next

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zt97LF … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r4247.g3a8a670eeeaa-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xwqcXa … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r4247.g3a8a670eeeaa-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

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#36 2023-09-18 16:07:48

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

loqs wrote:
$ git bisect bad
Bisecting: 3061 revisions left to test after this (roughly 12 steps)
[3a8a670eeeaa40d87bd38a587438952741980c18] Merge tag 'net-next-6.5' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net-next

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zt97LF … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r4247.g3a8a670eeeaa-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xwqcXa … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r4247.g3a8a670eeeaa-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

Doesn't boot

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#37 2023-09-18 16:35:02

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

$ git bisect bad
Bisecting: 2103 revisions left to test after this (roughly 11 steps)
[6e17c6de3ddf3073741d9c91a796ee696914d8a0] Merge tag 'mm-stable-2023-06-24-19-15' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/akpm/mm

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OY8Q3n … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r2143.g6e17c6de3ddf-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FDAitt … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r2143.g6e17c6de3ddf-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

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#38 2023-09-18 16:48:59

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

loqs wrote:
$ git bisect bad
Bisecting: 2103 revisions left to test after this (roughly 11 steps)
[6e17c6de3ddf3073741d9c91a796ee696914d8a0] Merge tag 'mm-stable-2023-06-24-19-15' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/akpm/mm

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OY8Q3n … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r2143.g6e17c6de3ddf-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FDAitt … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r2143.g6e17c6de3ddf-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

No boot

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#39 2023-09-18 17:13:08

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

$ git bisect bad
Bisecting: 1048 revisions left to test after this (roughly 10 steps)
[2605e80d3438c77190f55b821c6575048c68268e] Merge tag 'arm64-upstream' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/arm64/linux

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qs2fU7 … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r1094.g2605e80d3438-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KWlysR … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r1094.g2605e80d3438-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

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#40 2023-09-18 17:24:52

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

This might be a silly idea but if you boot from the latest ISO, can you see your internal disks on every boot?

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#41 2023-09-18 18:31:23

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

loqs wrote:
$ git bisect bad
Bisecting: 1048 revisions left to test after this (roughly 10 steps)
[2605e80d3438c77190f55b821c6575048c68268e] Merge tag 'arm64-upstream' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/arm64/linux

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qs2fU7 … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r1094.g2605e80d3438-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KWlysR … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r1094.g2605e80d3438-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

No boot

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#42 2023-09-18 18:34:43

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

topcat01 wrote:

This might be a silly idea but if you boot from the latest ISO, can you see your internal disks on every boot?

I had downgraded the kernel chrooting into system at least two times, so I think yes

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#43 2023-09-18 18:41:33

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

Have you tried booting linux-6.4.r1094.g2605e80d3438-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst more than once?  It being bad rules out ACPI changes as far as I can see.  Will also build a 6.4 test kernel to see if it is a config change after the next bisection point.

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#44 2023-09-18 18:44:51

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

loqs wrote:

Have you tried booting linux-6.4.r1094.g2605e80d3438-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst more than once?  It being bad rules out ACPI changes as far as I can see.  Will also build a 6.4 test kernel to see if it is a config change after the next bisection point.

Always did three attempts per release

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#45 2023-09-18 18:59:13

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

$ git bisect bad
Bisecting: 665 revisions left to test after this (roughly 9 steps)
[0aa69d53ac7c30f6184f88f2e310d808b32b35a5] Merge tag 'for-6.5/io_uring-2023-06-23' of git://git.kernel.dk/linux

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Llvpyj … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r428.g0aa69d53ac7c-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kfw04K … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r428.g0aa69d53ac7c-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

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#46 2023-09-18 19:11:05

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

loqs wrote:
$ git bisect bad
Bisecting: 665 revisions left to test after this (roughly 9 steps)
[0aa69d53ac7c30f6184f88f2e310d808b32b35a5] Merge tag 'for-6.5/io_uring-2023-06-23' of git://git.kernel.dk/linux

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Llvpyj … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r428.g0aa69d53ac7c-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kfw04K … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r428.g0aa69d53ac7c-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

Does boot!

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#47 2023-09-18 19:47:56

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

$ git bisect good
Bisecting: 341 revisions left to test after this (roughly 8 steps)
[7cffdbe3607a6cc2dc02d135e13732ec36bc4e28] Merge tag 'x86-boot-2023-06-26' of ssh://gitolite.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17DUEDz … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r752.g7cffdbe3607a-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13WfK4I … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r752.g7cffdbe3607a-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

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#48 2023-09-18 20:04:37

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

loqs wrote:
$ git bisect good
Bisecting: 341 revisions left to test after this (roughly 8 steps)
[7cffdbe3607a6cc2dc02d135e13732ec36bc4e28] Merge tag 'x86-boot-2023-06-26' of ssh://gitolite.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17DUEDz … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r752.g7cffdbe3607a-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13WfK4I … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r752.g7cffdbe3607a-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

Does boot

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#49 2023-09-18 20:35:01

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

 git bisect good
Bisecting: 173 revisions left to test after this (roughly 8 steps)
[5dfe7a7e52ccdf60dfd11ccbe509e4365ea721ca] Merge tag 'x86_tdx_for_6.5' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rA1NYn … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r920.g5dfe7a7e52cc-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g0VwIH … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r920.g5dfe7a7e52cc-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

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#50 2023-09-18 20:51:06

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Re: Stuck at 'loading initial ramdisk' on latest kernel

loqs wrote:
 git bisect good
Bisecting: 173 revisions left to test after this (roughly 8 steps)
[5dfe7a7e52ccdf60dfd11ccbe509e4365ea721ca] Merge tag 'x86_tdx_for_6.5' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rA1NYn … sp=sharing linux-6.4.r920.g5dfe7a7e52cc-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g0VwIH … sp=sharing linux-headers-6.4.r920.g5dfe7a7e52cc-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst

Doesn't boot

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