firewire in stock kernel ?

Arielext · 2003-02-09 19:26:29

See the subject, should firewire be a standard part of the archlinux kernel yes or no?

sarah31 · 2003-02-09 20:28:56

sorry but i voted no for the time being anyway. once firewire is standard in x86 machines it is just a little extra that is not needed in an already monolithic kernel.

of course i have been know to be wrong lots so take all shots you want to convince me otherwise as i am fairly easy to convince. (especially with free food offers)

Arielext · 2003-02-09 20:31:00

one word: iPod

sarah31 · 2003-02-09 21:17:48

three words: loan me money.

geez if you have the money to buy an ipod you surely could buy me a nice g4 ibook

jlvsimoes · 2003-02-10 00:17:30

sorry maybe this post is not in the rigth place
but is there an " option " to compile the kernel like in " crux"
personaly i "like it " betther
as for the poll im like sara " got no money " do not need it

mordantly · 2003-02-10 00:46:36

im backin the NO wagon. who uses ieee1394?? sure as shit not i. usb 2.0 will suffice fur my measly scanner and printer.. havent even tried to use them yet under AL so there. although, i must say 1394 IS superior to usb 2.0 in transfer rates but its expensive and i dont care to buy anything that support it (it seems logical fur hds and maybe burners) but i own nor plan on buying none. good ol eide-133 is 'tried and true.' i stick to the classics.

Arielext · 2003-02-10 13:06:56

sarah31 wrote:

three words: loan me money.
geez if you have the money to buy an ipod you surely could buy me a nice g4 ibook

Hey the ipod was in discount! (just €299 for the 5GB version). don't think I can get an ibook for that

Rouslan · 2003-02-10 14:47:22

jlvsimoes wrote:

sorry maybe this post is not in the rigth place
but is there an " option " to compile the kernel like in " crux"
personaly i "like it " betther

Sure, copy over crux's .config from the linux dir in your crux box and use it as your .config file when compiling a kernel on your Arch box. Personally, I prefer to simply go through all options in make menuconfig and select what I need and what I don't need.

Rouslan · 2003-02-10 14:49:50

mordantly wrote:

usb 2.0 will suffice fur my measly scanner and printer.. havent even tried to use them yet under AL so there

don't you worry: usb works perfectly with arch (just as any other linux)

dunbar · 2003-02-12 13:02:32

I'm agreeing with sarah31. Extra is not always useful: LFS and Gentoo thrive on the concept of 'less is better', and Arch has been more lightweight than most distros. OTOH, Mandrake is bloated to the nth degree, works ok but only chugs (no screamer).

In the near future, as FireWire begins to reach a reasonable market penetration, definitely will need to have Firewire in some fashion, and I'd suffer the direct method even though I'm the last to adopt technology advances (food chain thing: I'm last).

YMMV, my $0.02.

jlvsimoes · 2003-02-12 13:28:22

you said Sure, copy over crux's .config from the linux dir in your crux box and use it as your .config file when compiling a kernel on your Arch box. Personally, I prefer to simply go through all options in make menuconfig and select what I need and what I don't need.

but i do make my one kernel config my question is this can i build my kernel during the setup process like in "crux" but doing it on arch
as soon as 1 instaled arch e did pacman -R kernel then donwloaded and compileled my kernel i need some stuff inn the "pre$-ac$" becouse my VIA chipset mobo is plain stupid and did not " like " dma making mi " ocasional" cdrecording to slow for my taste

BluPhoenyx · 2003-02-13 02:05:16

jlvsimoes wrote:

Personally, I prefer to simply go through all options in make menuconfig and select what I need and what I don't need.

Yes, me too. It may take some time to learn what you need and what you don't if you have limited hardware knowledge but you can get most of the info from the running AL kernel.

jlvsimoes wrote:

but i do make my one kernel config my question is this can i build my kernel during the setup process like in "crux" but doing it on arch...

Not during the install, AFAIK, but you can do this afterwards using your own source. In an earlier discussion, sarah31 mentioned to someone about removing the default kernel and using their own custom version. For myself, I keep the original handy just in case it's needed. One never knows when that kernel might come in handy.

jlvsimoes · 2003-02-18 22:38:31

me 2

wdemoss · 2004-02-20 18:25:15

I voted yes, because it seems that a "stock" kernel should have the most common options included. I use a digital camcorder that has a 1394 interface that i use to connect it to my laptop. I'm sure many people use firewire for one device or another. The "stock" kernel already has lots of things compiled into it that aren't relavent to most machines like SMP support. I would wager, perhaps to my own loss, that more people out there connect devices with firewire then have multiprocessor machines.

Either way, it doens't affect me because I compile my own kernel to trim down the size and only include options that are relavant to my machine.

Just my 2 bits,
-wdemoss

sarah31 · 2004-02-20 18:55:51

um i thought it was in there now? i guess i will look through the config file but i was sure that it has been added.

wdemoss · 2004-02-20 22:41:43

um i thought it was in there now? i guess i will look through the config file but i was sure that it has been added.

I'm pretty sure your right, I didn't mean my post to come across that i was claiming it wasn't. Just that it should be included in a stock kernel and why i think it would benefit others for it to remain in the stock kernel. Sorry for any misconfusion.

btw, from the config in /var/abs/kernels/kernel26/

> grep "1394" config

# IEEE 1394 (FireWire) support (EXPERIMENTAL)
CONFIG_IEEE1394=m
# CONFIG_IEEE1394_VERBOSEDEBUG is not set
# CONFIG_IEEE1394_OUI_DB is not set
CONFIG_IEEE1394_PCILYNX=m
CONFIG_IEEE1394_OHCI1394=m
CONFIG_IEEE1394_VIDEO1394=m
CONFIG_IEEE1394_SBP2=m
# CONFIG_IEEE1394_SBP2_PHYS_DMA is not set
CONFIG_IEEE1394_ETH1394=m
CONFIG_IEEE1394_DV1394=m
CONFIG_IEEE1394_RAWIO=m
CONFIG_IEEE1394_CMP=m
CONFIG_IEEE1394_AMDTP=m

sarah31 · 2004-02-20 23:21:01

oh not a problem the thread should have been closed though as it is rather a moot point now as you have shown with your grep

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