I cannot seem to find the DE for me

sokuban · 2006-12-30 10:41:23

See one problem that happens to many Linux users is that they become nomads. (My friend has fallen to this fate. Arch's simplicity isn't the solution to everyone I guess.) Distro hoppers. Liking parts of one distro and parts of others and changing their distro all the time.

I have found my home in archlinux though. It seems to be the best distro for a desktop user who uses an Intel processor.

But I cannot find the DE/WM that is right for me.

I like xfce the most, but I cannot get icons working with it. (on 4.4) One day when I tried to install a theme xfce went kablooie. I also have to enable testing to download it, which means unstable stuff gets sent down my way and my computer screws up. (Unless I do something smart like only enabling testing to install xfce rather than pacman -Syu'ing the whole testing repo.)

I hate gnome. I just never understood anything about it, other than gnome dependancies that infect many programs. (Sorry if I am using harsh words, gnome lovers will hate me.)

I don't like KDE so much either, I just got it today but I already am looking to change it. I like it because of two things. Konqueror is the best file manager hands down. It isn't too bloated, it does files and executes things properly *glares at rox*. It also has a sense of fashion and you can put a backgroun image on it. (which I have done.) The other thing is the kdesktop is nice, no other virtual desktop app seems to be anywhere near as good as it. Maybe Enlightenment is the answer I seek, but it feels complicated and I'm too lazy to learn it. I also can't seem to get Japanese input support in Qt apps working at all, only gtk apps. The other problem is that KDE is a little bloated, I don't like things that take up memory, but Arche has a lot of ram, so some stuff Marc is saying is getting into my head. But KDE in general is hard to use, it is user friendly and user friendly things are hard to use. (Ironic isn't it?)They make expectations of you and things never work the way you want them to work. My Devil's Pie scripts fail in KDE. I cannot even seem to pin Kopete to all workspaces, and I feel it might be the same for all Qt apps. When I ran zsnes only to find that after I open a game the window borders come back despite my scripts telling it to not be there I was upset. Sure, this problem has an easy solution, use KDE but configure alternatives to use Openbox or something that doesn't get in the way of my scripts as a WM. But then I have the other KDE problems.

So then all the DE's are out of the question and I have to go for a WM. The proplem with WMs is that things don't work well together. You are also stuck on things like file managers and stuff that seem to always come with DEs.

I'm tempted to go back to xfce, but then I'll be back where I started, and I'll have testing enabled again. Unless I get the old version of xfce, I can use gkrellm to moniter my system so the system moniter isn't needed so much but xffm sucks. I have an ok terminal now with Japanese support so screw a file manager and well when I look at things the path looks green.

The point is, I'm going in circles when it comes to my desktop environment. I need help. T_T What do you guys use for your desktop? Especially from the people who use window managers, how on earth do you get everything to fit together? WMs are the best solution, but the hardest to get working. (Or so I believe.)

I also need a web browser, Opera is nice and all but it is non-free software. It also uses Qt so Japanese support isn't great. I haven't gotten any emails from my Japanese friends today but how would I write Japanese emails if my browser has no Japanese support. Firefox is getting to use a lot of memory, and all the other browsers may be fine but they need gnome/kde dependancies.

I remember reading the Archlinux forums about a browser that didn't need gnome/kde dependancies. It had a Japanese name if I'm not mistaken, I can't find it anymore. If anyone knows it it would be helpful.

Anybody can help me?

arox1 · 2006-12-30 10:48:56

I remember reading the Archlinux forums about a browser that didn't need gnome/kde dependancies. It had a Japanese name if I'm not mistaken, I can't find it anymore. If anyone knows it it would be helpful.

Kazehakase?

It needs mozilla installed anyway

The point is, I'm going in circles when it comes to my desktop environment. I need help. T_T What do you guys use for your desktop? Especially from the people who use window managers, how on earth do you get everything to fit together? WMs are the best solution, but the hardest to get working.

I'm using Openbox + some parts from XFCE (panel, thunar, settings manager) - works ok

sokuban · 2006-12-30 11:05:32

Yea, it was Kazehakase. Though there doesn't seem to be a package for it. I guess I have to go learn AUR finally.

Since you are using Thunar, is there a way to install xfce from testing and only xfce from testing, ie, no new kernels and other possibly dangerous stuff. Or do you have them all? Or do you use the unstable Thunar?

Is there any good virtual desktop program other than kdesktop? Programs that make a fake root window on top of the real root window and make you have different wallpapers per workspace?

arox1 · 2006-12-30 11:40:50

Since you are using Thunar, is there a way to install xfce from testing and only xfce from testing, ie, no new kernels and other possibly dangerous stuff. Or do you have them all? Or do you use the unstable Thunar?

I don't have Arch now so I can't tell

I'm just using xfce rc2

Zoranthus · 2006-12-30 12:38:55

I use Fluxbox as WM.. works great, the only thing I will never get used to is that alt+tab will leave out minimized windows when cycling through apps

Other then that.. nice, slim and stable WM. No icons here too though.. but you can always use a dock app like yab with adesklets which looks alot better and does pretty much the same imo.

timtux · 2006-12-30 12:49:32

I'm using ion3 (http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/) and my most used apps are:
irssi
swiftfox
mpd / ncmpc
mplayer
vlc
nano
scite

thats next to all need
Screenshot: http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7594 … 200qt5.png

pauldonnelly · 2006-12-30 13:07:54

I'm a bare WM user. I don't see any need to make things complicated and install a DE. I'm using Beryl on one computer and Fvwm on the laptop with my own configuration. I don't understand the whole file manager thing, so no need for one of those.

Browser: FF
Media: Mplayer/Amarok
IM: Gaim

That's all I need for daily stuff.

yankees26 · 2006-12-30 13:25:31

sokuban wrote:

Since you are using Thunar, is there a way to install xfce from testing and only xfce from testing, ie, no new kernels and other possibly dangerous stuff. Or do you have them all? Or do you use the unstable Thunar?

Yes. Just make sure you have the [testing] section is after the [current] and [extra] sections in /etc/pacman.conf. Then pacman -S testing/the-name-of-the-xfce4-rc2-package-you-want.

sokuban · 2006-12-30 13:54:41

yankees26 wrote:

sokuban wrote:
Since you are using Thunar, is there a way to install xfce from testing and only xfce from testing, ie, no new kernels and other possibly dangerous stuff. Or do you have them all? Or do you use the unstable Thunar?
Yes. Just make sure you have the [testing] section is after the [current] and [extra] sections in /etc/pacman.conf. Then pacman -S testing/the-name-of-the-xfce4-rc2-package-you-want.

I read somewhere that you should never do that because testing has conflicts or something and it is a special repositery that always has to be at the top otherwise it might conflict with the system. Or so I heard.

Basu · 2006-12-30 14:14:34

pauldonnelly wrote:

I'm a bare WM user. I don't see any need to make things complicated and install a DE. I'm using Beryl on one computer and Fvwm on the laptop with my own configuration. I don't understand the whole file manager thing, so no need for one of those.
Browser: FF
Media: Mplayer/Amarok
IM: Gaim
That's all I need for daily stuff.

Can I have your FVWM config? I'll give you mine

yankees26 · 2006-12-30 15:17:08

sokuban wrote:

yankees26 wrote:
sokuban wrote:
Since you are using Thunar, is there a way to install xfce from testing and only xfce from testing, ie, no new kernels and other possibly dangerous stuff. Or do you have them all? Or do you use the unstable Thunar?
Yes. Just make sure you have the [testing] section is after the [current] and [extra] sections in /etc/pacman.conf. Then pacman -S testing/the-name-of-the-xfce4-rc2-package-you-want.
I read somewhere that you should never do that because testing has conflicts or something and it is a special repositery that always has to be at the top otherwise it might conflict with the system. Or so I heard.

True, I forgot about that. In that case. Enable testing above everything. Then pacman -Sy. NOT -Syu. Then pacman -S the-xfce-stuff. Then disable testing.

Gullible Jones · 2006-12-30 15:40:40

arox1 wrote:

I remember reading the Archlinux forums about a browser that didn't need gnome/kde dependancies. It had a Japanese name if I'm not mistaken, I can't find it anymore. If anyone knows it it would be helpful.
Kazehakase?
It needs mozilla installed anyway

No, only needs xulrunner installed. Just the rendering engine and toolkit, not the whole browser and what not.

(It's still got a few quirks - some of the default keybinding stuff isn't very sane, icons may be trunkated in some places, entering a blank tab doesn't select the location bar, and the red circles used to indicate loading are very ugly - but it's become a much better browser than it used to be. And it's *fast*.)

pauldonnelly · 2006-12-31 01:36:46

Basu wrote:

pauldonnelly wrote:
I'm a bare WM user. I don't see any need to make things complicated and install a DE. I'm using Beryl on one computer and Fvwm on the laptop with my own configuration. I don't understand the whole file manager thing, so no need for one of those.
Browser: FF
Media: Mplayer/Amarok
IM: Gaim
That's all I need for daily stuff.
Can I have your FVWM config? I'll give you mine

Sure. It's pretty simple, and it's all in one file since I'm not a skilled configurator. It's inspired by Plan 9's window manager, so rather than having buttons or title bars on the windows right clicking on the desktop or a window frame brings up a menu. Left clicking on a window frame opens the same one, sans the Close option. That's so I don't have to worry about doing it by accident. Pressing F B P and N on the root scroll about the virtual desktop. Mouse 1 on root lists iconified windows. Strict mouse focus. Habak is used to switch wallpapers. There's some other stuff, but this is most of it. It's a little longer than I'd like, but I'll inline it here.

Key Tab A M -

EdgeThickness 0
OpaqueMoveSize 90
DeskTopSize 4x1

# Menus
AddToMenu SafeManMen
  + Raise/Lower    RaiseLower
  + Move    Move
  + Resize    Resize
  + Iconify    Iconify

AddToMenu ManMen
  + Raise/Lower    RaiseLower
  + Move    Move
  + Resize    Resize
  + Iconify    Iconify
  + Close    Close

AddToMenu WallpaperMenu
  + DynamicPopupAction Function MakeWallpaperMenu

AddToFunc MakeWallpaperMenu
  + I DestroyMenu recreate WallpaperMenu
  + I AddToMenu WallpaperMenu Pictures Title
  + I AddToMenu WallpaperMenu Random Exec exec habak $WALLPAPER_DIR
  + I PipeRead 'for i in $WALLPAPER_DIR/*; do echo AddToMenu WallpaperMenu "`basename $i`" Exec habak $i; done'

# Mouse Bindings
## Window Management
### No Mods
Mouse 1 R A WindowList NoGeometry OnlyIcons
Mouse 1 FS A Popup SafeManMen
Mouse 2 RFS A Popup WallpaperMenu
Mouse 3 RFS A Popup ManMen

# Keyboard Binds (Won't work w/o strict mouse focus)
Key F R N Scroll 100 0
Key B R N Scroll -100 0
Key P R N Scroll 0 -100
Key N R N Scroll 0 100

Key R R M Restart
## Launching Stuff
Key C R N FvwmConsole
Key W R N Exec habak $WALLPAPER_DIR
##Window Management
Key Escape R N Delete
Key Escape R M Destroy

Colorset 1 fg black, bg #5CC
Colorset 2 fg black, bg #389

# Global Styles
Style * HilightColorset 2
Style * BorderColorset 1

Style * !Title
Style * !Handles
Style * BorderWidth 5
Style * MwmBorder
Style * DepressableBorder

Style * MouseFocus
Style * ResizeOpaque
Style * StickyIcon
Style * SmartPlacement

BorderStyle Active -- Flat
BorderStyle Inactive -- Flat

Style FvwmButtons BorderWidth 0, Sticky, WindowListSkip, NeverFocus
*FvwmButtons: Back rgb:A/A/7
*FvwmButtons: Frame 3
*FvwmButtons: Columns 1
*FvwmButtons: (Icon "xman.xpm", Action (Mouse 1) `Exec exec xman`)
Module FvwmButtons

sokuban · 2006-12-31 04:40:47

I went back to xfce, not testing though. I think I should be fine with the stable version. Testing has Thunar, but when I was new to Archlinux I wanted to get Thunar because I didn't have a good terminal emulator and my locale was C so I couldn't get Japanese support. Now I can just use the terminal for file managing.

I went to KDE becuase of the eye-candy desktop. But I just noticed I can get some eye candy with xfce by making a list of wallpapers to use.

My problem with openbox was things like having no clipboard for cutting and pasting, these are the kinds of things that I needed to ask the WM users how they fit everything together.

ScriptDevil · 2006-12-31 06:19:57

i did that gnome/kde stuff in my pre-arch days..
but then i grew up
For me, openbox + rox+ firefox +gaim+irssi+emacs+eterm works gr8

Basu · 2006-12-31 07:09:01

here's mine. It's a bit of a mess at the moment and the menus are in a separate file. I'm trying to integrate FVWM with ROX at the moment, but haven't had much time for it.

#FVWM Config

# Set Environment Variables
# Filepaths first
SetEnv fvwm_wallpaper     $[HOME]/Wallpapers
SetEnv fvwm_icon     $[FVWM_USERDIR]/theme/pixmaps
SetEnv fvwm_script    $[FVWM_USERDIR]/scripts
SetEnv fvwm_theme_img  $[FVWM_USERDIR]/theme/deco
SetEnv fvwm_mini_x    %50.25
SetEnv fvwm_icon_size 100 
SetEnv fvwm_mini_scale 50 

# Place for icon images
ImagePath $[fvwm_icon]:$[fvwm_icon];.png:+


# Virtual Desktops
DesktopSize    2x2
EdgeScroll      100 100
EdgeResistance  50 50
EdgeThickness   2
EwmhBaseStruts    0 0 40 0

# Mouse and Focus
ClickTime    350
MoveThreshold    3
Style *        SloppyFocus, RaiseTransient, !borders, Handles
*FvwmEvent focus_window Raise


# Startup Functions
DestroyFunc StartFunction
AddToFunc   StartFunction
+ I Module FvwmBacker
+ I Module FvwmEvent
+ I Module FvwmButtons Launcher
+ I Module FvwmButtons WinCtrl
+ I Exec exec tilda

DestroyFunc InitFunction
AddToFunc   InitFunction
+ I Nop

DestroyFunc RestartFunction
AddToFunc   RestartFunction
+ I Exec exec "killall tilda"

#Window Functions
DestroyFunc     WinClose
AddToFunc     WinClose
+ I Current Destroy

DestroyFunc     WinMax
AddToFunc    Winmax
+ I Current Maximize 100 100

DestroyFunc    WinIconify
AddToFunc    Winiconify
+ I Current Thumbnail

#Program Functions 
DestroyFunc    Editor
AddToFunc    Editor
+ I Exec exec geany

DestroyFunc    Browser
AddToFunc    Browser
+ I Exec exec firefox

DestroyFunc    Filer
AddToFunc    Filer
+ I Exec exec rox

DestroyFunc    Music
AddToFunc    Music
+ I Exec exec audacious

DestroyFunc    Terminal
AddToFunc    Terminal
+ I Exec exec mrxvt


#Basic Styles
Style    *    IconBox 1200x1024-25+100, IconFill top left, SloppyFocus
Style    *  Padding 300 100
Style    *    NoIconTitle
Style "mrxt" NoTitle, !Handles,
Style "audacious" NoTitle, !Handles
Style "pypanel" NoTitle, !Handles

#Colorsets
Colorset 2  fg black, bg f8/00/00, 
  Tint rgb:f8/00/00 35, TiledPixmap $[fvwm_icon]/himenu.png


#Setting of Desktop and Page backgrounds
DestroyModuleConfig FvwmBacker: *
*FvwmBacker: Command (Desk 0, Page * *) Exec exec feh --bg-scale $[fvwm_wallpaper]/LinuxForce.jpg

#Pager Configuration
Style "FvwmPager" NoTitle, !Handles, !Borders, Sticky, WindowListSkip, 
  CirculateSkip, StaysOnBottom, FixedPosition, FixedSize, !Iconifiable, NeverFocus

DestroyModuleConfig FvwmPager: *
*FvwmPager: Geometry 100x100-0+0
*FvwmPager: Colorset * 2
*FvwmPager: Icons
*FvwmPager: UseSkipList
*FvwmPager: Rows 0
*FvwmPager: Columns 0
*FvwmPager: MiniIcons
*FvwmPager: Font none
*FvwmPager: NoDeskHilight

#Window Controller

Style "WinCtrl" NoTitle, !Handles, !Borders, Sticky, WindowListSkip, 
  CirculateSkip, StaysOnBottom, FixedPosition, FixedSize, !Iconifiable, NeverFocus


DestroyModuleConfig WinCtrl: *
*WinCtrl: Geometry 240x40-512+0
*WinCtrl: Colorset 2
*WinCtrl: Rows 1
*WinCtrl: Columns 5
*WinCtrl: (1x1, Icon 32x32/apps/xkill.png, Action(Mouse 1) `WinClose`)
*WinCtrl: (1x1, Title "Max", Action(Mouse 1) `WinMax`, Action(Mouse 3) `WinIconify`)
*WinCtrl: (1x1, Title "Expose", Action(Mouse 1) `FvwmExpose` Action (Mouse 4) `ScrollThroughWindows 4`, Action(Mouse 5) `ScrollThroughWindows 5`)

Style "Launcher" NoTitle, !Handles, !Borders, Sticky, WindowListSkip, 
  CirculateSkip, StaysOnBottom, FixedPosition, FixedSize, !Iconifiable, NeverFocus, Pixmap $[fvwm_icon]/kicker-020.png

  
DestroyModuleConfig Launcher: *
*Launcher: Geometry 360x24+0+0
*Launcher: Colorset 2
*Launcher: Frame 0
*Launcher: Font "Shadow=1:xft:Georgia:Bold:size=10:antialias=True"
*Launcher: Rows 1
*Launcher: Columns 60 
*Launcher: (12x1, Title "System", Action(Mouse 1) Menu SysMenu rectangle +1+24 +0 +0
*Launcher: (15x1, Title "Programs", Action(Mouse 1) Menu ProgramMenu rectangle +72+24 +0 +0
*Launcher: (11x1, Title "Places", Action(Mouse 1) Menu PlacesMenu rectangle +162+24 +0 +0
*Launcher: (15x1, Title "Windows" Action(Mouse 1) `Expose`, Action(Mouse 3) Menu WindowMenu rectangle +228+24 +0 +0 
                    Action (Mouse 4) `ScrollThroughWindows 4`, Action(Mouse 5) `ScrollThroughWindows 5`)

#Bindings
Mouse 1 R A Menu RootMenu
Mouse 3 R A Module FvwmPager -transient
Mouse 1 1 A Menu WindowMenu
Mouse 1 2 A Current Delete

#Menus
Read $[FVWM_USERDIR]/conf/menu.fvwm2rc

#Window Decorations
Style *    Button 1, Button 2, Button 4, Button 6, GrabFocusOff
Style *    Colorset 0, HilightColorset 1
Style * Font "shadow=1 C:xft:Georgia:Bold:pixelsize=16"
#Colorsets
# Inactive windows
Colorset 0  fg lightgray, bg lightgray, sh lightgray, 
        fgsh darkgray, RootTransparent buffer
# Active windows
Colorset 1  fg rgb:05/46/a0, bg white, sh white, 
         RootTransparent buffer

DestroyDecor    Default
AddToDecor    Default
+ BorderStyle    Simple -- HiddenHandles NoInset
+ TitleStyle    LeftJustified Height 28 -- flat
+ ButtonStyle    Reset
+ ButtonStyle    All Active (Colorset 0 -- flat) Inactive (Colorset 1 -- flat)
  
+ AddButtonStyle    1        AdjustedPixmap $[fvwm_theme_img]/fvwm_bw_small.png -- flat
#+ AddButtonStyle    1        MiniIcon

+ AddTitleStyle Active        MultiPixmap LeftButtons    AdjustedPixmap    $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_leftend.png, 
                    LeftEnd        AdjustedPixmap    $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_titlelefton.png, 
                    Main        TiledPixmap    $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_titlemainon.png, 
                    RightEnd    AdjustedPixmap    $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_titlerighton.png
+ AddTitleStyle    Inactive    MultiPixmap LeftButtons    AdjustedPixmap    $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_leftend.png, 
                    LeftEnd        AdjustedPixmap    $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_titleleftoff.png, 
                    Main        TiledPixmap    $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_titlemainoff.png, 
                    RightEnd    AdjustedPixmap    $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_titlerightoff.png

+ AddButtonStyle    6        Active    Pixmap $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_minon.png -- flat
+ AddButtonStyle    6        Inactive    Pixmap $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_minoff.png -- flat

+ AddButtonStyle    4        Active    Pixmap $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_maxon.png -- flat
+ AddButtonStyle    4        Inactive    Pixmap $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_maxoff.png -- flat

+ AddButtonStyle    2        Active    Pixmap $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_closeon.png -- flat
+ AddButtonStyle    2        Inactive    Pixmap $[fvwm_theme_img]/tb_closeoff.png -- flat


#Colorset 3 fg black bg Wheat
#Colorset 4 fg wheat bg Black

#DestroyDecor WinDeco
#3AddToDecor WinDeco
#+ TitleStyle Height 25 
#+ AddButtonStyle 1 Title "Menu"
#+ TitleStyle Flat
#Style "*" UseDecor WinDeco
#Style "*" Colorset 4
#Style "*" HilightColorset 3
#Style "*" Font "xft:Georgia:Bold:size=10:antialias=True"
##################
#Functions
##################

#Scroll windows by mouse
DestroyFunc ScrollThroughWindows
AddToFunc   ScrollThroughWindows
+ I PipeRead `[ $0 -eq 4 ] && echo "Prev (CurrentPage, AcceptsFocus) FocusAndRaise" || echo "Next (CurrentPage, AcceptsFocus) FocusAndRaise"`

DestroyFunc FocusAndRaise
AddToFunc   FocusAndRaise
+ I Focus
+ I Raise 

#Show Window Screenshots in Pager
DestroyFunc     GenerateMiniIcon
AddToFunc       GenerateMiniIcon

+ I PipeRead "xwd -silent -id $[w.id] | convert -scale 100 -frame 1x1 
    -mattecolor black -quality 0 xwd:- png:$[HOME]/.fvwm/tmp/miniicon.tmp.$[w.id].png 
    && echo WindowStyle EWMHMiniIconOverride, MiniIcon $[HOME]/.fvwm/tmp/miniicon.tmp.$[w.id].png 
    || echo nop"

DestroyFunc     DestroyMiniIcon
AddToFunc       DestroyMiniIcon
+ I PipeRead "rm -f $[HOME]/.fvwm/tmp/miniicon.tmp.$[w.id].png"

*FvwmEvent: raise_window GenerateMiniIcon
*FvwmEvent: destroy_window DestroyMiniIcon
*FvwmEvent  focus_window FocusAndRaise



#Thumbnailer
*FvwmEvent: deiconify DeThumbnail
SetEnv fvwm_icon_size    150
DestroyFunc    Thumbnail
AddToFunc    Thumbnail
+ I Raise
+ I SetEnv Icon-$[w.id] $[w.IconFile]
+ I ThisWindow (!Shaded, Iconifiable, !Iconic) PipeRead "xwd -silent -id $[w.id] | convert -scale $[fvwm_icon_size] -quality 0 
    xwd:- png:$[HOME]/.fvwm/icon.tmp.$[w.id].png; 
    
    echo WindowStyle IconOverride, Icon $[HOME]/.fvwm/icon.tmp.$[w.id].png"
+ I Iconify

DestroyFunc    DeThumbnail
AddToFunc    DeThumbnail

+ I PipeRead "echo WindowStyle IconOverride, Icon \$\[Icon-$[w.id]\]"
+ I UnsetEnv Icon-$[w.id]
+ I Exec exec "rm -f /$[HOME]/.fvwm/icon.tmp.$[w.id].png"


#####
# FvwmExpose
###########
DestroyFunc Expose
AddToFunc Expose
+ I AddToMenu ExposeMenu "e x p o s e" Title
+ I + DynamicPopDownAction DestroyMenu ExposeMenu
+ I All (!Iconic !Shaded AcceptsFocus)
    PipeRead "echo Raise; 
        xwd -silent -id $[w.id] | convert -scale $$(($[w.width]/10)) -quality 0 xwd:- 
        png:$[FVWM_USERDIR]/tmp/icon.exp.$[w.id].png 
    && echo AddToMenu ExposeMenu 
    %$[FVWM_USERDIR]/tmp/icon.exp.$[w.id].png%\'"$[w.name]"\' WindowID $[w.id] WarpToWindow 50 50 
        && echo AddToMenu ExposeMenu \"\" Nop 
    || Nop"
+ I Popup ExposeMenu rectangle 512x48+228+24 +0 +0 
+ I Exec exec rm -f $[FVWM_USERDIR]/tmp/icon.exp.*


# composite -geometry +5+5 $[w.IconFile] 
#    $[HOME]/.fvwm/icon.tmp.$[w.id].png $[HOME]/.fvwm/icon.tmp.$[w.id].png;

thujone · 2007-01-01 14:30:34

sokuban wrote:

My problem with openbox was things like having no clipboard for cutting and pasting, these are the kinds of things that I needed to ask the WM users how they fit everything together.

I'm moving from Kubuntu and fell in love with Arch and WMs (right now experimenting *boxes and FWVM); i googled for the same issue 10 mins ago, this could be useful to still-newbies like me:

http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/paste.html

For a more power approach FWVM's faq suggests xcb. Happy 2007.

superstoned · 2007-01-01 16:58:09

what kind of problems do you have with KDE? i didn't get the script stuff, and kopete on all desktops should be easy. you can just add a 'on all desktops' button to the windowdecoration if you want, or even configure specific window settings (rmb on windec > advanced > special windowsettings). pretty good stuff...

about the ram usage, it depends on your usagepatern. if you frequently run many apps at the same time (eg music, agenda, mail, news and stuff in the background, some desktops with webbrowser, office and stuff) you're better of running KDE, as it shares much more between the apps compared to other environments. so you actually save lots of ram... but if you mix environments and apps, you don't get that advantage, it'll all be just big

timtux · 2007-01-01 18:15:45

The problem with most of the "modern" WMs is that they cant be controlled to 100% from teh keyboard Thats why im using ion3

sweiss · 2007-01-01 20:58:55

Well, I'm a KDE user. I didn't like KDE at first, really. I'm an XFCE convert.
The best tip I can give you is start playing with KDE. You have to tweak it to make it right.

As for the bloat, well, I don't lack that much HDD space, so I can live with the extra text editors, I just don't use them.
As for RAM usage, I rather to have my RAM used and have my system a bit more responsive. The optimal way of using KDE is using KDE applications. They will use plenty of shared resources, so they won't take up much RAM. I use Konqueror for browsing (Firefox only in certain cases), Kontact and Kopete. They work pretty well.
KDE is also bloated with features, and some very useful ones at some cases. Search the forums for a thread called "Smart desktop working tips" or something similar, it contains several tips and tricks regarding KDE.

And some other things to consider:
- Amarok (Well, that's just a famous KDE application)
- Integrated spell checking
- KIO slaves (This requires some reading, but a nice example for it would be the fact that you can open files in a KDE application regardless of where the file is. It can be on your local drive, on a network etc.)

Damn, I really am a KDE "groopie" sometimes.
To sum it up, KDE has a lot to offer. You just have to discover it all.

rab · 2007-01-01 21:29:16

ratpoison is good enough for me

Kenetixx · 2007-01-03 00:59:21

I use gnome now, simply cant be fucked tweaking anymore just want to run what i want with out having to tweak it to get it to where i like, openbox is still good tho if you want to mess with it to get it right, these days im just to damn lazy, working ridiculos hours ina a new job does that to you.

Basu · 2007-01-03 04:42:06

satanix wrote:

I use gnome now, simply cant be fucked tweaking anymore just want to run what i want with out having to tweak it to get it to where i like, openbox is still good tho if you want to mess with it to get it right, these days im just to damn lazy, working ridiculos hours ina a new job does that to you.

For me XFCE is the ultimate compromise between good looks and weight. And besides, it has it's own compositor which is quite stable.

Kenetixx · 2007-01-03 08:36:00

Yeah i like XFCE aswell but it just feeels like it lacks something...maybe its just me.....KDE4 is looking good so that might be worth a try when its released

Basu · 2007-01-03 11:42:39

satanix wrote:

Yeah i like XFCE aswell but it just feeels like it lacks something...maybe its just me.....KDE4 is looking good so that might be worth a try when its released

KDE 4 does look as if it's going to be good, but it's gonna be one hell of a fat baby.

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