[SOLVED]General system care |long journalctl

jojo06 · 2025-07-03 04:29:39

Hi,

Last night I ran “sudo pacman -Syu && shutdown now” and went to bed. When I woke up I got a black screen that said “system will shutdown now” and there were 1-2 more lines. The keyboard LEDs were off but (as far as I remember) the fans were still running.

I wanted to look at journalctl and see if there were any errors, warnings, and general Arch maintenance. But there were 1200 lines “sudo journalctl -b”. Is this normal ? So much so that 0x0.st refuses to load. So I guess it's assumed to be longer than normal.

sudo journalctl -b | curl -F 'file=@-' [url]https://0x0.st[/url]
curl: (35) TLS connect error: error:0A0000C6:SSL routines::packet length too long
sudo journalctl -b | curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st

The last command returned empty. What could be the problem?

https://termbin.com/n22c

Last edited by jojo06 (2025-07-06 16:53:14)

seth · 2025-07-03 08:10:15

Last night I ran “sudo pacman -Syu && shutdown now” and went to bed.

Do NOT run unattended updates!

A 1200 line journal isn't very long and that's a TLS connection error, not a quota.
It's also todays journal and only 25m, so not very relevant wrt what happened last night.
Unlike "and there were 1-2 more lines"…

Can you shutdown the system now?

jojo06 · 2025-07-03 09:17:03

Do NOT run unattended updates!

OK. Noted.

Why im facing TLS issues tho ? Also, the second command returned nothing.

So it's not directly for the shutdown issue, but for general optimization and bug fixing. That is my intention. I think there is a situation where you need to use “sudo shutdown now”. I didn't add “sudo” in the update command. Sometimes it doesn't work, I don't understand it. In some operating systems it even shuts down when I type ‘shutdown’ or “sudo shutdown”. The “now” parameter was working in Arch.

Yes, it's working now, but as I said, I think sometimes things are broken or there are small conflicts that I can't describe. The internet says this is related to systemd. There are a lot of errors and warnings in the journal. I wanted to investigate these.

EDIT: I never run spring update or anything. But when KDE's discover program Postman update showed up, I said update. I wonder if it ran “yay -Syu” ?
Right now it shows 2 updates for “org.freedesktop”. There were many warnings/errors about this in the journal.

Last edited by jojo06 (2025-07-03 09:19:29)

Nikolai5 · 2025-07-03 09:44:06

If the reason you tried to do this is that your download speed is really slow so it takes a long time to source the packages, then alternatively you could use "checkupdates" provided by the pacman-contrib package.
If your speed is fast, but the mirror is slow and that's why you did this, then get on a faster mirror.

Run

checkupdates -d

This will download the packages required to update and you can run that earlier on, then at the end of the day when you run "pacman -Syu" unless in that time those packages have had another update, it will install them from the cache meaning it will be done without waiting very long.
There is a command to download only with pacman, but checkupdates does not update your package database, doing it through pacman will, and so your system will be in a "partially upgraded" state. Checkupdates avoids this.

In regard to why 0x0.st is not working for you, you may find your ISP is blocking it, some do by default, such as Virgin Media.

jojo06 · 2025-07-03 10:46:48

No, not internet speed, think of it as an additional command. I was going to turn off the computer and go to bed, I said I would update it, and instead of waiting, I went straight to the room.

In regard to why 0x0.st is not working for you, you may find your ISP is blocking it, some do by default, such as Virgin Media.

I hate this kind of restrictions! They ruin everything with their two-penny minds. Can't we make a request like “DON'T INTERFERE WITH ME” to our internet provider ? Or can't I use a universal provider ? Or completely “managed” ? I can't understand that there was no such problem before. How can they interfere even in Linux ? Can't it be done with Linux configuration or something ? Is it like this in every distro ?

Like BlackArch, Tails, Whonix, Qubes, none of them can get rid of these damn controls?

Nikolai5 · 2025-07-03 10:51:49

If it is your ISP blocking that domain, then it has nothing to do with the operating system. Some ISPs do actually allow you to disable some "protections" or report websites, etc as being safe, but that has to be reviewed.

jojo06 · 2025-07-03 11:01:55

I just spoke to them and they said there are no restrictions. There was a malfunction. They will send a team. I think the TLS problem is solved.

Going back to the Journalctl fıx/debug, it used to be 300 lines. Why is it around 1200 now? And should I update from the software - discover program? Opera update came but I see it in the spring. For example, one of the minor problems (I mentioned it in a topic) is that i can't play videos in twitter in Opera. For freedesktop, I see a lot of warnings / errors in journalctl. Are they any related tho ?

seth · 2025-07-03 16:13:35

I think there is a situation where you need to use “sudo shutdown now”. I didn't add “sudo” in the update command. Sometimes it doesn't work, I don't understand it.

You will be able to shut down as unprivileged user as long as you're holding an active session,

loginctl session-status

However:

black screen that said “system will shutdown now” and there were 1-2 more lines

Means that this has also worked - what did not work is unknown, but includes the power off, might be an ACPI issue, might be related to the update.

Going back to the Journalctl fıx/debug, it used to be 300 lines. Why is it around 1200 now?

Because it's a journal and constantly growing as the day goes on?

And should I update from the software - discover program? Opera update came but I see it in the spring.

I've no idea what you're talking about, you update the system w/ pacman - KDE discover is a GUI tool that might or not frontend pacman, the AUR and flatschpaks.

one of the minor problems (I mentioned it in a topic) is that i can't play videos in twitter in Opera. For freedesktop, I see a lot of warnings / errors in journalctl. Are they any related tho ?

Read that. Now estimate the information it actually holds about the situation. How do you suppose anyone here will know whether playing videos in opera (btw you're looking for vivaldi, opera was taken over by some chinese consortium. It is not "opera") on twittwat (specifcially? maybe elon jused musked it…) is related ot completely unspecified warnings / errors that somehow relate to "freedesktop"?
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=57855

jojo06 · 2025-07-03 18:33:17

loginctl session-status

3 - guns (1000)
  Since: Thu 2025-07-03 07:15:24 +03; 14h ago
  State: active
 Leader: 1445 (gdm-session-wor)
   Seat: seat0; vc3
    TTY: tty3
 Remote: no
Service: gdm-password
   Type: wayland
  Class: user
   Idle: no
   Unit: session-3.scope
         ├─1445 "gdm-session-worker [pam/gdm-password]"
         ├─1507 /usr/lib/gdm-wayland-session --register-session "/usr/lib/plasma-dbus-run-session-if-needed /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland"
         └─1511 /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland

Jul 03 07:15:25 roses systemd[1]: Started Session 3 of User guns.

Because it's a journal and constantly growing as the day goes on?

But i ran with `journalctl -b` which means it will list only from last boot, isnt it ?

Its a program named `Discover` from software center. I guess its KDE's. When you type `update` in search you can see. Anyways I know we don't update from there or with the spring, we just use “pacman -Syu”.

In Opera, I didn't see any errors. But I thought maybe it has something to do with Arch or an update and you might know, or maybe you could tell me how to look at the logs, because I don't know what to do or where to look.
I was about to ask for a browser recommendation, so I'm switching to vivaldi.

seth · 2025-07-03 20:26:56

But i ran with `journalctl -b` which means it will list only from last boot, isnt it ?

Current boot. The running one. The ones where stuff happens and gets logged.

Your session is active, but again: you've not described a failure to invoke the shutdown anyway.

The browsers all have a debug console on ctrl+shift+i

jojo06 · 2025-07-04 03:39:41

Blocked by Adblocker: `/api/video`. But it doesn't play even when I turn off adblocker and nothing in console. Vivaldi solved it. Is it safe as opera ? Ad blocking and block tracking ?

Yes so its not like you said `it's a journal and constantly growing as the day goes on?` So why 1200 lines ? Is the system trying to start something it can't open/run over and over again and displaying a bunch of errors?

And the package name is `discover` its alerting packages need update.

seth · 2025-07-04 07:12:29

Is it safe as opera ? Ad blocking and block tracking ?

From all the closed source browsers I'd still trust Jon von Tetzchner the most

So why 1200 lines ? Is the system trying to start something it can't open/run over and over again and displaying a bunch of errors?

How am I supposed to tell without seeing the journal?
But I look at peoples journals every day - 1200 lines is not much at all.

jojo06 · 2025-07-04 11:30:48

I posted it `https://termbin.com/n22c` but i guess the journals become 1200 lines. It was 300 lines before.

seth · 2025-07-04 18:27:19

Line 300 is

Jul 03 07:05:35 roses kernel: HugeTLB: registered 1.00 GiB page size, pre-allocated 0 pages

which is WAAAAY before the root switch - you might simply have only looked at the session journal (and now check the system journal because you use sudo or added yourself to the wheel or adm group)
There's really nothing to worry about a 2653 line journal.

jojo06 · 2025-07-06 03:28:54

There's really nothing to worry about a 2653 line journal.

Ok than.

which is WAAAAY before the root switch - you might simply have only looked at the session journal (and now check the system journal because you use sudo or added yourself to the wheel or adm group)

I didnt understand that. There was second user, i deleted it.

EDIT: I forgot about Vivaldi, it's pretty good. I like it a lot. Workspace and break mode features are very nice. You really know what you are doing @seth

https://imgs.search.brave.com/z2mca1AkJ … F0ZXMuanBn

This is what I mean by the Discover package. Now the notification is showing, I updated the postman package in this way. Now it recommends `Freedesktop Platform` and `org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-575-64` updates. Should we do it from here or should we disable it directly?

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seth · 2025-07-06 07:34:33

I know what KDE discover is

seth wrote:

KDE discover is a GUI tool that might or not frontend pacman, the AUR and flatschpaks

and seth wrote:

you update the system w/ pacman

if you're using that GUI tool, you'll have to start paying attention to what you're actually installing and whether you're flooding your system w/ unvetted AUR packages or bloated flatschpaks with poor system integration.

jojo06 · 2025-07-06 10:44:49

As I know and as you said, there is no update other than pacman. There is no such thing as `yay -Syu`. But it just occurred to me, isn't this directly `flatpak update`/`snap refresh` (I think it was refresh), so I guess it's okay to use that?

seth · 2025-07-06 13:41:40

There is no such thing as `yay -Syu`

There actually is and that's the problem w/ yay (and GUI frontends like KDE discover) because they blend the various sources (repos, AUR and flatschnapdockontainer) together what makes it harder for you to keep track what you're actually installing from where.

jojo06 · 2025-07-06 15:00:23

So yes, when I say no, I mean it was said in the forum that we should never use anything other than `pacman -Syu`.

But snap and flatpak offer nice packages. So I would like to close by saying that if we are using it, we will update it. But what about freedesktop? I'm afraid to update now, in case I break something.

seth · 2025-07-06 15:32:00

But what about freedesktop? I'm afraid to update now, in case I break something.

Right now it shows 2 updates for “org.freedesktop”. There were many warnings/errors about this in the journal.

They're not in the screeshot so I've still no idea what you're talking about, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=57855
Provide that information verbatim.

The screenshot however suggests that you've basically installed all of plasma as flatschpaks from https://neon.kde.org/ ?

jojo06 · 2025-07-06 16:12:35

https://ibb.co/PG6Hs2CT

Sorry it was general example of package.

By the way, vivaldi has 2 windows at once? Should I open 2 different vivaldi instead of defining a workspace? It would pull the open tabs from the current state anyway

seth · 2025-07-06 16:42:01

Those are flatschpacks, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/c … it_such_a/ and you need the nvidia driver inside your flatschpaks to match the host one.

Not sure what you're relating to w/ vivaldi but pretty much every major browser allows you to have as many windows and tabs as you like?

jojo06 · 2025-07-06 16:52:59

Okay, I'll update it then.

What I'm trying to say is that when I freeze/stop the browser in Linux/KDE workspace1, this also applies to the browser in worskpace2. I have 2 workspaces of vivaldi open in workspace 1 and 2. I guess we don't have the option to stop workspace 1 and not stop workspace 2? I was wondering how it would be if I didn't use vivaldi workspace but had 2 different states/windows, I'll try and see. OK SOLVED

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