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#26 2025-10-03 18:33:12

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

Should I create the `/boot/grub` folder

No! You probably don't have the boot partition mounted or mounted into the wrong location?

lsblk -f

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#27 2025-10-03 21:06:57

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

Output of `lsblk -f`:

NAME   FSTYPE   FSVER LABEL        UUID                                 FSAVAIL FSUSE% MOUNTPOINTS
loop0  squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/accountable2you/191
loop1  squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/bare/5
loop2  squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/cherrytree/86
loop3  squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/cherrytree/87
loop4  squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/core22/2111
loop5  squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/core22/2133
loop6  squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/core24/1151
loop7  squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/core24/1196
loop8  squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/gnome-46-2404/125
loop9  squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/gtk-common-themes/1535
loop10 squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/snapd/25202
loop11 squashfs 4.0                                                           0   100% /var/lib/snapd/snap/mesa-2404/912
sda                                                                                    
├─sda1                                                                                 
├─sda2 vfat     FAT32 SYSTEM       722A-4536                              34.1M    66% /efi
├─sda3 ntfs                        A40208552FAB4A9B                                    
├─sda4 ntfs                        AABF1BAEBB03F305                                    
├─sda5 ntfs           SAMSUNG_REC2 0DF94101A1CEDF93                                    
├─sda6 vfat     FAT32 SAMSUNG_REC  E3C0-E8D5                                           
├─sda7 ext4     1.0                e3e0221e-0b0d-4311-8d2e-1453c9cd307d                
├─sda8 ext4     1.0                5f228a93-7418-448d-ad83-c3d95dacf47a   96.7G    45% /
└─sda9 swap     1                  fb8fd7ff-0adf-47b6-90b9-594b90912c88                [SWAP]

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#28 2025-10-03 21:13:46

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

ls /efi
mkdir /mnt/test
mkdir /mnt/test2
mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/test
mount /dev/sda7 /mnt/test2
ls /mnt/test
ls /mnt/test2
file -s /dev/sda1

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#29 2025-10-03 21:33:40

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

Output of `ls /efi`:

Boot   bootmgr   BOOTNXT   EFI  'System Volume Information'   vmlinuz-linux

Then I did:

sudo mkdir /mnt/test
sudo mkdir /mnt/test2
sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/test
sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt/test2

Output of `ls /mnt/test`:

'$RECYCLE.BIN'   bootmgr.efi   EFI     es-es   hr-hr   ko-kr   nl-nl         pt-pt      sk-sk        sv-se                        zh-cn
 bg-bg           cs-cz         el-gr   et-ee   hu-hu   lt-lt   pl-pl         Recovery   sl-si       'System Volume Information'   zh-hk
 Boot            da-dk         en-gb   fi-fi   it-it   lv-lv   ProgramData   ro-ro      sources      tr-tr                        zh-tw
 bootmgr         de-de         en-us   fr-fr   ja-jp   nb-no   pt-br         ru-ru      sr-latn-rs   uk-ua

Output of `ls /mnt/test2`:

bin                boot   dev  home  lib64              lost+found  mnt  proc  run   sbin.usr-is-merged  srv       sys        tmp  var
bin.usr-is-merged  cdrom  etc  lib   lib.usr-is-merged  media       opt  root  sbin  snap                swapfile  timeshift  usr

Output of `sudo file -s /dev/sda1`:

/dev/sda1: data

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#30 2025-10-04 07:24:21

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

So this is a triple boot system with Windows, Mint and Arch. The Windows partitions are in a somewhat awkward order and the EFI partition contains additional files (beside the "normal" dirs "EFI" and "System Volume Information") that - together with your Dustbin post (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=307958) leaves us with even more questions.

How did you manage to get your triple boot working? Which boot manager do you use? From which OS do you maintain the boot manager?

Have you tried to temporarily disable IPv6 just to test if that's the cause?

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#31 2025-10-04 09:06:10

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

grub is probably in the /boot path of the mint distro?

ls /mnt/test2/boot

You'll have to configure it from mint, not arch!

-thc wrote:

Have you tried to temporarily disable IPv6 just to test if that's the cause?

Seems so https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 2#p2265502

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#32 2025-10-04 09:12:51

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

Thanks seth - I clearly missed that.

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#33 2025-10-04 14:06:50

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

I originally bought my laptop back in 2017 with Windows. In May of this year, I installed Mint, which came with GRUB. More recently, I installed Arch, and am still working on setting everything up.

seth wrote:

You'll have to configure it from mint, not arch!

That makes sense, since it was first installed with Mint. I also tried to install Grub Customizer on Arch, and it won't run. That's probably the same issue.

I'll boot back into Mint, and see if I can find everything.

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#34 2025-10-04 14:37:33

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

I went over to Mint, and was able to follow the instructions with no issues. I'm back in Arch now, and emails seem to work fine so far! I'll mark this solved for now, and come back if I have other issues.

Once again, thanks for all your help!

Edit - I did another couple of tests, and it seems to be broken again. I can restart Thunderbird, and it will work for a bit, but I'm not sure if it will work permanently.

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#35 2025-10-10 19:38:43

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

Update - I've been taking a break from Arch for a bit (setup/messing with stuff, not taking a break from using it, of course), but I'm back now. Sending emails with Thunderbird is still finicky. It sometimes works, but can take a while. Restarting Thunderbird fixes it, but is only good for one email.

Again, this is only with my .edu (Outlook) accounts, not my @gmail.com (personal) email.

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#36 2025-10-10 19:48:25

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

ip a

Do you still have to restart NM or only TB?

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#37 2025-10-10 20:20:29

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

`ip a`:

1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host noprefixroute 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether a0:c5:89:77:61:ea brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168.0.138/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global dynamic noprefixroute wlan0
       valid_lft 171735sec preferred_lft 171735sec
    inet6 2600:8804:5c14:3a00::9b6f/128 scope global dynamic noprefixroute 
       valid_lft 85337sec preferred_lft 85337sec
    inet6 2600:8804:5c14:3a00:fb33:69c4:3803:baab/64 scope global dynamic noprefixroute 
       valid_lft 297sec preferred_lft 297sec
    inet6 fe80::135f:27ac:39c3:8836/64 scope link noprefixroute 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

I just have to restart Thunderbird, not networkmanager. So the workaround is quicker than before, which is good.

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#38 2025-10-10 20:26:13

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

IPv6 seems enabled (again)?

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#39 2025-10-10 20:48:26

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

Ah, I think I see why. I'm back in Mint now. I went to `/boot/grub/grub.cfg`. I see `ipv6.disable=1` under `menuentry "Mint"`, but not under `menuentry "Arch"`. So I probably disabled it for Mint, but not Arch.

Can/should I edit `/boot/grub/grub.cfg` directly? It says at the top "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE." My guess is that even if I do edit this, it will get overwritten. The wiki article says to edit `/etc/default/grub` if using `grub-mkconfig`, which is what I did before. I went back there just now, but I couldn't tell how to edit the Arch menu entry from there.

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#40 2025-10-10 20:51:24

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

Idk how mint configures grub but most likely through /etc/default/grub and grub-mkconfig as well? In that case you should edit that file, not the resulting grub.cfg (since mint will likely fire grub-mkconfig automatically at some point)

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#41 2025-10-10 21:00:11

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

That makes sense, I'm just not sure how I would edit the Arch menu entry from `/etc/default/grub`.

This might be useful: here's the top block of code in that file:

GRUB_DEFAULT="0"
GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE="hidden"
GRUB_TIMEOUT="10"
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="`( . /etc/os-release; echo ${NAME:-Ubuntu} ) 2>/dev/null || echo Ubuntu`"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash zswap.enabled=1 zswap.zpool=zsmalloc zswap.compressor=lz4 ipv6.disable=1"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""

You can see I appended `ipv6.disable=1` to the second-to-last line. Do you think I could put this in `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX` also? If I'm reading this correctly, it feels like the `..._LINUX_DEFAULT` line could be just the default OS, while the `..._LINUX` line could be for all of them.

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#42 2025-10-10 21:42:16

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

What adds the arch entry to the grub.cfg? os-prober?
Did you run grub-mkconfig on mint after that edit?

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#43 2025-10-10 21:46:22

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Re: Thunderbird - I have to restart networkmanager every time

After changing `/etc/default/grub`, I ran

grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

based on the wiki instructions.

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