kdemod - a lightified and modular KDE + additional patches

sH · 2007-05-07 15:13:12

Can you pleaz post a screenie with the new artwork and icon theme?

funkyou · 2007-05-07 15:48:04

This is KDE on first startup with a fresh user. There will be no change for people already using it with their config. Its still a work in progress, as some things are not ready yet... The background is just a placeholder for now, but i like it anyway. Also notice that KDE is nearly completely tango-i-fied, only about 20 icons have no replacement so far...

I am open for any suggestions, critics etc

rbrownclown · 2007-05-07 16:29:47

funkyou wrote:

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6017 … rg0.th.jpg
This is KDE on first startup with a fresh user. There will be no change for people already using it with their config. Its still a work in progress, as some things are not ready yet... The background is just a placeholder for now, but i like it anyway. Also notice that KDE is nearly completely tango-i-fied, only about 20 icons have no replacement so far...
I am open for any suggestions, critics etc

The icons are great. I've always been a fan of tango.

However, I do have some complaints. I can't stand the black panel. You should make it match the color of the windows, which you should also tone down.

chaosgeisterchen · 2007-05-08 06:25:42

I love the black panel, in contrary.

The default desktop is awesome. Congratulations, never seen a better-looking default KDE desktop.

But please change the color of the font in the kicker to white! Process descriptions aren't readable at all atm, as one can clearly see.

Last edited by chaosgeisterchen (2007-05-08 06:27:19)

sH · 2007-05-08 09:44:41

Looks really nice. I love Tango. How much work have you done to it? I used "BC-Tango" from kde-look.org in the past and it was not complete. It would also be nice to be able to change the folder-color for standard folders.

Suggestion: Is it possible to provide a Kickoff-Button with the Arch-Logo instead of the "K" ?
Right now I'm using CrystalDiamond Icons Arch modded. It has a nice Arch Logo for the "K" menu that could be used for the Kickoff as well.

I'm addicted to the arch-logo I must confess

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funkyou · 2007-05-08 10:20:01

rbrownclown wrote:

However, I do have some complaints. I can't stand the black panel. You should make it match the color of the windows, which you should also tone down.

You mean to make the windows more darker?? Well, i think that its already quite darker than every other default kde desktop out there... :) Maybe we will ship an additional darker color scheme. Another idea is a small first-start app based on kdialog which lets you choose some prefs, but this depends on time.

chaosgeisterchen wrote:

But please change the color of the font in the kicker to white! Process descriptions aren't readable at all atm, as one can clearly see.

This has already been done...

sH wrote:

Looks really nice. I love Tango. How much work have you done to it? I used "BC-Tango" from kde-look.org in the past and it was not complete. It would also be nice to be able to change the folder-color for standard folders.

The icon set is quite complete, there are only some icons missing. I have thrown various tango themes together and used BC-Tango and Flamenco as a base for this. Only about 20 icons are missing so far, not for apps, but for some menu entries like the "filter" one and so on...

The folder icons are available as blue, green, grey, orange, red, violet and yellow ones.

Most apps are completely tango-i-fied like kmail, kopete (including all icons and animations), kget, kgpg, knemo, kabc, kwallet and kabc for example. We will also ship some optional tango stuff like emoticons for konversation and kopete and an opera tango theme.

I suggest you try it out by installing the stuff from /testing and run KDE with a new user. The new compiler flags seem to be safe as i had no instabilities so far, so it seems to be no risk to update...

sH wrote:

Suggestion: Is it possible to provide a Kickoff-Button with the Arch-Logo instead of the "K" ?

Should be no big problem, but i need a .svg or a .png with good resolution...

sH · 2007-05-08 10:58:57

funkyou wrote:

Should be no big problem, but i need a .svg or a .png with good resolution...

You should find an icon here

http://www.paolinoland.it/index.php?opt … &Itemid=29

you can get archmod for the icons there.

How can I set the colors for the folders system-wide and not for one specific folder?

Thanks.

PS: Is it possible to get rid of "System, Home, Trash" on the Desktop but keep icons for removable media, USB-Sticks etc. on the Desktop like in Kubuntu ?

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funkyou · 2007-05-08 12:48:36

sH wrote:

How can I set the colors for the folders system-wide and not for one specific folder?

afaik this can only be achieved by renaming the icons...

sH wrote:

PS: Is it possible to get rid of "System, Home, Trash" on the Desktop but keep icons for removable media, USB-Sticks etc. on the Desktop like in Kubuntu ?

This is only a matter of configuration, i`ll take a look at this because i dont want the desktop icons too

Here are some new shots with tango running on a fresh user:

With Kickoff:

And with Kmenu:

(some apps not have the proper icons in kmenu because their .desktop entries are linking directly to .png files instead of just specifying the name of an icon, which overrides the icon theme...)

Also, i am wondering that so far no one has said something about the baghira sidebar as a default setting for konqueror

rbrownclown · 2007-05-08 13:50:53

funkyou wrote:

rbrownclown wrote:
However, I do have some complaints. I can't stand the black panel. You should make it match the color of the windows, which you should also tone down.
You mean to make the windows more darker?? Well, i think that its already quite darker than every other default kde desktop out there... Maybe we will ship an additional darker color scheme. Another idea is a small first-start app based on kdialog which lets you choose some prefs, but this depends on time.

Actually, tone down wasn't what I meant. I meant a brighter color. Something easy on the eyes, but also bright enough where Google won't blind me when I open Opera. Perhaps you could put the "classic" kdemod theme as an option? I really like how it is now.

sH · 2007-05-08 16:28:56

OK Funkyou, I installed the stuff from testing. So far it's nice.
But there are issues. I have a big blue box instead of a kde splash, the background wall on login screen is gone and the Thunderbird Icon is pretty ugly

Also I have "Baghira Sideabr hinzuf[][]en" which I guess should be "Baghira Sidebar hinzufügen"

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funkyou · 2007-05-08 17:10:52

1. A Thunderbird Icon will be added soon

2. I dont know why your splash freaks out. The only change is, that i have set the default splash to "Simple", and this should only happen on users who do not have set this... The profile script checks if there is a ksplash config and does not overwrite existing ones.

3. The missing background in kdm comes from the shipped kdmrc, there is just no background set until now :)

4. "Baghira Sidebar hinzuf[][]en" is a localization issue with the sidebar... I dont know if that is fixable but it surely needs modification of the code...

Have you tried it with a fresh user also?

sH · 2007-05-09 06:20:10

funkyou wrote:

1. A Thunderbird Icon will be added soon

Great!

funkyou wrote:

2. I dont know why your splash freaks out. The only change is, that i have set the default splash to "Simple", and this should only happen on users who do not have set this... The profile script checks if there is a ksplash config and does not overwrite existing ones.

I tried with a fresh user and now with my normal user again and if the KDE Splash is now a really simple black progress bar, then it is working now

funkyou wrote:

3. The missing background in kdm comes from the shipped kdmrc, there is just no background set until now

I must say that I like it that way. I change my wallpaper quite often and it's always a pain to make the kdm login fit to that style. So I like it, like it is now, plain and simple. Maybe add the ability to get the own wallpaper as kdm background too?

funkyou wrote:

4. "Baghira Sidebar hinzuf[][]en" is a localization issue with the sidebar... I dont know if that is fixable but it surely needs modification of the code...

I use de_DE.UTF8. These localization issues are also in some text of the domino style.

I like how everything looks with the fresh user. Domino looks quite nice, though it's a bit too "round" for my taste, but it looks different and fits very good with the rest.

I don't know right now if I like the Baghira sidebar by default. I could not press F9 and add new bars. F9 only toggles Baghira bar on/off. I like KDE because of the power of konqueror and I always use the different sidebars for amarok, files, system settings etc.
Being limited to only Baghira would not be so nice, because it looks more like "Nautilus" for me than. But maybe I do not know enough about configuration of the sidebars or what's great about baghira cause I have no experience with it.
Maybe you tell me what's great about it, in the moment it looks just like a Nautilus mock-up

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superstoned · 2007-05-09 10:42:29

funkyou wrote:

sH wrote:
I just have the feeling that a base install of kdemod should include only "kedit" and kate and kwrite should be optional, because they are the bigger apps right?
Good point, i will check if we can do this for 3.5.7...

I don't agree with this, Kedit will be removed in KDE 4 so it's deprecated, and only features code duplication compared to kwrite and kate (which share their codebase). Kwrite replaces Kedit, so dump kedit, and Kate is going into kdesdk in KDE 4, as it's a small IDE and not a texteditor - so it's not kwrite competition.

Kedit is only here for Bidi support.

superstoned · 2007-05-09 10:42:59

funkyou wrote:

rbrownclown wrote:
Pacman is still claiming that kdemod isn't in the db. Any updates?
i686 or x86_64? i686 should work, i have to ask Dunkelstern about the 64bit packages... There seems to be some b0rkage in the 64bit repo right now...

remur wrote:
Heya, the current akregator keeps crashing whenever i use the up and down arrow buttons on my keyboard
the errormsg is the following:
akregator: symbol lookup error: /opt/kde/lib/kde3/libakregatorpart.so: undefined symbol: _ZN9KHTMLView8scrollByEii
Thanks. I'll take a look at it...

I hope you can find and fix this, it is very very annoying...

superstoned · 2007-05-09 10:45:49

mata_svada wrote:

I saw that you now have A lightweight base installation listed as a future on your website. So I was wondering whether there are/will be split packages (with and without unnecessary patches) for kdelibs and kdebase 3.5.7.

kdebase is split, kdelibs I think won't, and split here means you can install eg kwrite and kate seperately, it doesn't mean with or without patches or something.

mata_svada wrote:

BTW: Did you get my email? I offered (and still offer) to help with a kdemod-light version.

Cool, I'm sure funkyou and dunkelstern can use some help...

funkyou · 2007-05-09 11:17:17

superstoned wrote:

funkyou wrote:
sH wrote:
I just have the feeling that a base install of kdemod should include only "kedit" and kate and kwrite should be optional, because they are the bigger apps right?
Good point, i will check if we can do this for 3.5.7...
I don't agree with this, Kedit will be removed in KDE 4 so it's deprecated, and only features code duplication compared to kwrite and kate (which share their codebase). Kwrite replaces Kedit, so dump kedit, and Kate is going into kdesdk in KDE 4, as it's a small IDE and not a texteditor - so it's not kwrite competition.
Kedit is only here for Bidi support.

I have checked this, and i have to agree with superstoned because:

1. Kwrite and Kate are parts of KDEbase while Kedit is shipped with KDEutils

2. I cant split Kate and KWrite into 2 packages, because KWrite is a part of Kate... Doing that would require a lot of patching and/or doing weird stuff

superstoned wrote:

remur wrote:
Heya, the current akregator keeps crashing whenever i use the up and down arrow buttons on my keyboard
the errormsg is the following:
akregator: symbol lookup error: /opt/kde/lib/kde3/libakregatorpart.so: undefined symbol: _ZN9KHTMLView8scrollByEii
I hope you can find and fix this, it is very very annoying...

I'll check that... Maybe its just akregator needing a rebuild... I hope we get rid of this from 3.5.7 on, because we want to have a policy how and when to rebuild packages... Now its all a little bit messy, especially because we are using a shared svn repo for 32 and 64 bit... We will maybe do some sort of "package days" where we include new stuff more coordinated once a week, which will minimize such sort of errors...

superstoned wrote:

mata_svada wrote:
I saw that you now have A lightweight base installation listed as a future on your website. So I was wondering whether there are/will be split packages (with and without unnecessary patches) for kdelibs and kdebase 3.5.7.
kdebase is split, kdelibs I think won't, and split here means you can install eg kwrite and kate seperately, it doesn't mean with or without patches or something.

mata_svada wrote:

BTW: Did you get my email? I offered (and still offer) to help with a kdemod-light version.

About Kate and KWrite see my comment above... Well, the planned features section on the website is quite outdated. We already have a lighweight base installation, and maybe we will create a second group that installs a full blown kde...

In terms of the patches: It would be very hard to provide a patched and unpatched version from one repo, and we simply dont have the time to maintain all this stuff... The patches we use are mostly tested and are working well apart from some errors like the kde-look issue (which is fixed in the latest version of the patchset) ... Also, most of the patched stuff can be disabled easily, so i dont see a real benefit in providing an optional unpatched version...

Well, the "light version" is there If that means to provide an unpatched version, then i doubt that we can deliver it... As said, the patches are mostly well tested and used by a lot of other distros too...

funkyou · 2007-05-09 11:27:15

sH wrote:

I tried with a fresh user and now with my normal user again and if the KDE Splash is now a really simple black progress bar, then it is working now

Yes, thats the one... Plain and simple

sH wrote:

I must say that I like it that way. I change my wallpaper quite often and it's always a pain to make the kdm login fit to that style. So I like it, like it is now, plain and simple. Maybe add the ability to get the own wallpaper as kdm background too?

I always have kdm set to a black background. This way it starts faster and the whole boot process is also mostly black, and i think a black login manager fits good to this... You can add a wallpaper for kdm in kcontrols kdm config...

sH wrote:

I use de_DE.UTF8. These localization issues are also in some text of the domino style.

Yes i know, but this is, as said, a problem of the sidebar and domino also...

sH wrote:

I don't know right now if I like the Baghira sidebar by default. I could not press F9 and add new bars. F9 only toggles Baghira bar on/off. I like KDE because of the power of konqueror and I always use the different sidebars for amarok, files, system settings etc.
Being limited to only Baghira would not be so nice, because it looks more like "Nautilus" for me than. But maybe I do not know enough about configuration of the sidebars or what's great about baghira cause I have no experience with it.
Maybe you tell me what's great about it, in the moment it looks just like a Nautilus mock-up

I have disabled the small sidebar to choose the contents on the left side, but i will make it configurable again with an update. To see what i mean you can open ~/.kde/share/config/konqsidebartng.rc and set HideTabs=true to HideTabs=false... If the file is not there, just open the one in /opt/kde/share/config...

funkyou · 2007-05-09 12:27:18

akregator should be fixed now...

chaosgeisterchen · 2007-05-09 13:29:31

Good afternoon,

since today I do not get any notification anymore if someone's wrote a new message in a kopete message window. I tried downgrading to 3.5.6-7, but it didn't work so far. Could you look into that matter?

I already tried to delete the configs to reset that, but it didn't help as well.

Last edited by chaosgeisterchen (2007-05-09 14:34:28)

mata_svada · 2007-05-09 14:21:57

funkyou wrote:

In terms of the patches: It would be very hard to provide a patched and unpatched version from one repo, and we simply dont have the time to maintain all this stuff... The patches we use are mostly tested and are working well apart from some errors like the kde-look issue (which is fixed in the latest version of the patchset) ... Also, most of the patched stuff can be disabled easily, so i dont see a real benefit in providing an optional unpatched version...
Well, the "light version" is there If that means to provide an unpatched version, then i doubt that we can deliver it... As said, the patches are mostly well tested and used by a lot of other distros too...

Thats cool with me. I have created my own kdemod-light version of kdebase and kdelibs, using the Arch Qt package, which works great with all the other kdemod packages.

I just thought that maybe it wasn't a bad idea and wanted to share it with other users.

newgargamel · 2007-05-09 19:48:19

funkyou wrote:

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6017 … rg0.th.jpg
This is KDE on first startup with a fresh user. There will be no change for people already using it with their config. Its still a work in progress, as some things are not ready yet... The background is just a placeholder for now, but i like it anyway. Also notice that KDE is nearly completely tango-i-fied, only about 20 icons have no replacement so far...
I am open for any suggestions, critics etc

I don't like domino style and I don't like tango icons. It shouldn't be default setting. And where is my Archlinux splash screen now? Personally I would revert last changes (from testing).

newgargamel · 2007-05-09 19:52:30

funkyou wrote:

akregator should be fixed now...

It's not...

remur · 2007-05-09 21:29:06

newgargamel wrote:

funkyou wrote:
akregator should be fixed now...
It's not...

It is for me (thanks, much better now), did you restart akregator ?
And is the error still the same ?
it also looks like you are using the new builds in /testing, maybe it hasn't been fixed there yet.

newgargamel · 2007-05-09 21:55:29

remur wrote:

newgargamel wrote:
funkyou wrote:
akregator should be fixed now...
It's not...
It is for me (thanks, much better now), did you restart akregator ?
And is the error still the same ?
it also looks like you are using the new builds in /testing, maybe it hasn't been fixed there yet.

To reproduce this: open kontact -> click on akregator icon -> press 'down' button on a keyboard. For me it crashes...

remur · 2007-05-09 22:10:03

newgargamel wrote:

remur wrote:
newgargamel wrote:
It's not...
It is for me (thanks, much better now), did you restart akregator ?
And is the error still the same ?
it also looks like you are using the new builds in /testing, maybe it hasn't been fixed there yet.
To reproduce this: open kontact -> click on akregator icon -> press 'down' button on a keyboard. For me it crashes...

Hrmm, it works for me, do you use the new /testing ?
(btw, I had to install kontact as I didn't had it before, maybe reinstalling might help)

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