Arch Linux Logo Contest: Discussion of logo concepts

foxbunny · 2007-11-07 23:20:08

Cerebral wrote:

Yeah, it's an alpha... might cause problems.

Nope, you can't. You can't register letters. You can only register that particular artwork, and if yours is different, than it's fine. Although, you may not get away with it in Japan, because they are a real PIA for that kind of stuff.

cerise · 2007-11-07 23:20:49

dunc wrote:

Although I don't think it should cause any problems. Trademarks can usually only be registered for the specific field they're used in, so as long as the devs don't start selling cameras they should be okay. And it is just a letter of the Greek alphabet, rendered fairly significantly differently* anyway.

For the USA:
Trademarked *names* can be the same in different fields, yes, but trademarked logos are universal -- which means you can't have the same logo as anyone else in any field (the same can be true of colours, depending on how they are trademarked.)
Sony actually registered the 'alpha' symbol since is is not considered a 'letter' in the english alphabet used in the USA, from their legal disclaimer:

The "α" logo is a trademark or registered trademark of Sony Corporation.

(much-watered down version of the legal ramifications...)

(p.s. at first I thought he was pointing at your logo too....)

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dunc · 2007-11-07 23:21:54

cerise wrote:

kensai wrote:
Hate to be the one to say this but, I saw this logo at a Sony Store. The logo was almost identical the only difference was that it was italic style and orange. I'm searching to see if I find this on the net, but haven't had any chance. Can anyone go to a Sony store and verify this? I got a suggestion from my girlfriend that I should have took a picture with my cell phone, but I was leaving and weren't going back since I had an exam at University.
That's the sony alpha logo, trademarked for their newest line of digital SLR cameras.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200604/06-033E/

Phew. For some reason Firefox never opens Arch forum links at the right post here, and I thought that was one of mine he was talking about.

Although I don't think it should cause any problems. Some consideration in trademark cases is given to the specific field they're used in, so as long as the devs don't start selling cameras they should be okay. And it is just a letter of the Greek alphabet, rendered fairly significantly differently* anyway.

*Too many adjectives?

Cerebral wrote:

Actually, since the announcement went out late, I was going to accept submissions up to the end-of-day tomorrow. (ie. 23:59 Thursday, November 08, Eastern Standard Time.)

So that's 5am on Friday where I am. I think. 4 or 6, maybe. Still, cool. I've got 30-odd hours left!

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dunc · 2007-11-07 23:28:11

cerise wrote:

dunc wrote:
Although I don't think it should cause any problems. Trademarks can usually only be registered for the specific field they're used in, so as long as the devs don't start selling cameras they should be okay. And it is just a letter of the Greek alphabet, rendered fairly significantly differently* anyway.
For the USA:
Trademarked *names* can be the same in different fields, yes, but trademarked logos are universal -- which means you can't have the same logo as anyone else in any field (the same can be true of colours, depending on how they are trademarked.)
Sony actually registered the 'alpha' symbol since is is not considered a 'letter' in the english alphabet used in the USA.
(much-watered down version of the legal ramifications...)
(p.s. at first I thought he was pointing at your logo too....)

Heh!

I realised my post was a bit wrong and made a mess of editing it, so it's now below your reply. Sorry about that.

You're quite right that the logo itself can't be copied "verbatim", as it were, but if it were to go to law, the differing fields would certainly be taken into consideration. I didn't know about alpha actually being registered in the US, though, although again, if it came to court I'm sure a case could be made. Probably not worth taking the risk, though.

cerise · 2007-11-08 05:24:02

dunc wrote:

You're quite right that the logo itself can't be copied "verbatim", as it were, but if it were to go to law, the differing fields would certainly be taken into consideration. I didn't know about alpha actually being registered in the US, though, although again, if it came to court I'm sure a case could be made. Probably not worth taking the risk, though.

The risk is large in the US -- with trademarked logos and colours, the legal precedents are such that if a new symbol, regardless of what field, is within 25% recognisability of the original symbol (1 out of 4 people) -- it is a violation of the trademarked original symbol. Most of the time, the trademark office simply rejects symbols that look (subjectively) like a symbol already trademarked.

For example, if you were to take the nike swoosh, turn it upside down and round all the edges -- and then attach it to a new bottled water product with the name of L'Eau -- Nike would sue you, (if you even made it past the trademark office,) for trademark infringement. (I wish I were joking.)

Large companies are the ones to look out for -- they aggressively 'protect' their trademarks. Smaller ones may not have the money.

(it's a pain in the you-know-where...)

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foxbunny · 2007-11-08 11:45:58

My personal galleries related to Arch Linux logo that were hosted at

http://archlinux.team88.org/

are now closed off to public. The logo repository is still there, though, so you can still use that gallery.

Also, no new artowork will be released, and please keep in mind that all released artowrk up to this point is Copyrighted property with all rights (still) reserved, unless explicitly noted otherwise. This is done so that developers can have exclusive rights (at least legally) to important artwork later. Please do not copy, modify or repost the artwork without my permission.

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sH · 2007-11-08 15:45:13

As for the concept of the logo I like this http://www.archlinux.org/~travis/logo-c … rchway.png the most. It looks professional, reminds of the current logo and so shows the evolution of the distro.

However, personally I am sick of blue and would really love it if we'd go green. So how about changing the above concept to this color scheme? http://www.archlinux.org/~travis/logo-c … lsix/2.png

dunc · 2007-11-08 20:14:58

Wow, good late entry from rfquerin. I'm not so sure about the font, but the logo itself is excellent. Very nice.

foxbunny wrote:

... please keep in mind that all released artowrk up to this point is Copyrighted property with all rights (still) reserved, unless explicitly noted otherwise.

It should be pointed out that this is (or should be) true for everyone.

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foxbunny · 2007-11-08 20:20:21

Indeed

Misfit138 · 2007-11-08 20:29:42

dunc wrote:

Wow, good late entry from rfquerin. .

I agree. I love all of his stuff !

PJ · 2007-11-08 21:38:41

Somehow I am glad that I am not the one who will choose a new logo, there are to many good sugestions! Guess it was a wise decision to allow votes on multiple submissions. If I had to opportunity to vote, I would definitely vote on at least 4 of the submissions.

aRcHaTe · 2007-11-08 23:38:19

Misfit138 wrote:

dunc wrote:
Wow, good late entry from rfquerin. .
I agree. I love all of his stuff !

Its freaking awsome! i really like it a lot

dunc · 2007-11-09 00:32:06

I'm browsing through the submissions thread here, and I've just noticed I must have subconsciously ripped off the way pseb has presented the logotype. Not so much the logotype itself (although they are similar, both using URW Gothic) but just the way it's positioned in the box with the font name in brackets underneath. I assure you, it wasn't intentional plagarism.

pseb · 2007-11-09 08:10:58

@dunc: i think, we independently came to the same solution. just like in evolution - you would not accuse bats for copying birds ;-)

dunc · 2007-11-10 22:04:10

rfquerin wrote:

I wish I could reach in and grab that first one I entered though. The more I look at it, the more I disliked it.

The line between the front and back halves of the arch looks a little awkward at large sizes, but it's one of my favourites actually. Could use a bit of work maybe, but the CD sleeve in particular looks really good - which suggests it might have been better in plain colours rather than all... er, "shinyed-up". I really like the shiny versions of my entires, but it's not integral to the designs - which emphasize simplicity - so I left the main representations plain. (I just hope that doesn't turn out to have been a mistake. )

Well run contest guys.

Wait until the results are in before you say that.

cerise · 2007-11-11 00:54:47

Some help & tips for rendering shapes and logos in a 3d program.
I've been making a bunch of rendered wallpapers lately, and for anyone that wants to make rendered wallpapers, here are a few things that can save you from a myriad of headaches:

* Any angle under 30 degrees will turn into a sharp spike and will be unwieldy to make it look like a 'real' object (unless you have a special paid artist at your disposal willing to work for weeks on something that may or may not end up looking like more than a spike.)

* Irregular shapes / sharp edges have inconsistent lighting/texturing/mesh/UV mapping properties and can end up costing you *DAYS* of time to attempt to fix (or you find a special paid artist to design the meshes and textures,) and there's no guarantee that it will look like what you want. Regular geometry w/ symmetry makes this process predictable and much easier to work with. (This is why almost anyone can take the ubuntu logo and turn it into glass, metal, etc.)

* 2d projections of 3d images have a massive amount of problems moving to a rendered object, such as: you can only use the SAME perspective -- or else the object loses recognisability (so you lose out on rotations, viewing angles, etc.), applying textures can easily result in mapping errors/warped shapes, lighting problems, etc. Doing complex renderings simply take a paid 3d artist.

I hope that helps out anyone wanting to 3d-ify some wallpapers!

ibendiben · 2007-11-11 11:24:56

cerise wrote:

Some help & tips for rendering shapes and logos in a 3d program.

which 3d program are you using if I may ask? I've tried to find a nice cad/3d program lately...

cerise · 2007-11-11 19:07:44

ibendiben wrote:

cerise wrote:
Some help & tips for rendering shapes and logos in a 3d program.
which 3d program are you using if I may ask? I've tried to find a nice cad/3d program lately...

The one I'm using for all the rendering I'm playing with now is blender... (with the yafray and indigo rendering engines for some things.)

floke · 2007-11-12 23:44:29

Entry #26 absolutely, positively must win (or one of its derivatives). Dunc, its amazing.

elasticdog · 2007-11-13 00:30:26

#45...not really even a competition :-)

foxbunny · 2007-11-13 01:36:57

Sure it is.

Misfit138 · 2007-11-13 02:22:04

I like #1,5,10,12,14,18,19,20.29,32,33,37,38,39, and 46.

But my absolute favorite is #37. Very, VERY nice!

dunc · 2007-11-13 16:43:11

floke wrote:

Entry #26 absolutely, positively must win (or one of its derivatives). Dunc, its amazing.

Thanks, mate! I hope the devs agree with you. After spending a lot more time on the derivatives, I'm coming back round to the original myself. I'll post links to a few things I've been tinkering with over on the other thread once I collect them together and put them up on my web space.

cerise · 2007-11-15 05:56:35

enef wrote:

Hi!
Cerise please send me those images in 1024x768 size
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2266 … ityuu6.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2834/a … ityyp7.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7641 … zzyri8.jpg
thanks
I absolutely love all of your wallpapers!
if you can, send me all
nagyferenc3_at_gmail_dot_com

If the triple-arch design is chosen for the new logo, I'll upload all of the mockups that you see as real wallpapers. If it's not chosen, I'll send you the wallpapers -- but I won't upload them all because I wouldn't want an unofficial logo vying for mindshare from the new chosen logo.

ok?

tradiaz · 2007-11-17 18:09:08

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … 78#p288078
What about that? I failed to make a bigger screenshot of it with scrot and I'm not going to install imagemagick now.
So you should really dowload it and have a look at it. It's amazing! Both the logo itself and the background are svg.
It's IMO the best logo I've seen by now.
What do you think about it? I asked the creator to complete a logo proposal form. I hope the mail find it's way...
I have some doubt since I never got any answer when I last sent a mail with the messaging function provided by the board software to a quite active dev.

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