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The way Opera deals with tabs really gets under my skin. I like Opera, and if they ever fixed their options to do so, I'd be much happier with it. I've done the whole reconfigure it thing and the extension thing with it. I've screwed with it for days, and it still is a pita when you have like 50 tabs open when you're comparing it against FireFox.
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Firefox 3 is awesome. Snappy and lots of improvements.
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jaideep_jdof wrote:I want to shift from firefox is that with every release it fells more blotted.
This is supposed to become much better with FF 3.0.
FWIW, all things considered, I find Opera to be the best of the pair, in terms of speed, configurability, and page rendering (zooming the entire page and not just enlarging the font) -- BUT I'm back with Firefox again after a long and happy marriage with Firefox, for one simple reason: Vimperator. It's the best thing that's happened to me, browserwise, in a long time. If you don't use vim, give Opera a chance. After all, the worst that can happen is that you download a file, install, don't like it, and uninstall again.
I am in the exact same boat as you. I love opera, but firefox has vimperator...
I tried putting some keybindings on for opera and i mimiced some of vimperator's features, but its just not the same. Opera is truely a great browser. Without vimperator firefox is nothing but a buggy, bloated, ugly browser.
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Just tried out netscape navigator 9.0.0.4. All the extensions work including vimperator. I thought it was just a rebranded firefox but netscape just feels more responsive and polished than firefox.
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Just tried out netscape navigator 9.0.0.4. All the extensions work including vimperator. I thought it was just a rebranded firefox but netscape just feels more responsive and polished than firefox.
Yes it does... almost like Opera but still Firefox, but I miss my StumbleUpon extension for when I get board with my bookmarked sites and LiveBookMarks.
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I can't really say why, but for some reason I grew fed up with Firefox. I just didn't like to use it anymore.
A couple of years ago I used CrazyBrowser, which basically was a hack of the Internet Explorer. From there I went to Firefox, and eventually I was using Opera for quite some time (since version 8) on Windows XP. The Opera experience was completely different than Firefox before 2.0 and it felt so much better.
When I finally made the switch to my first GNU/Linux Distro (Ubuntu) I initially kept on using Opera. But due to the fact that it's proprietory I decided to give Firefox another try. About that time 2.0 was released and I got stuck to it for a year or so.
But for me the problem with Firefox was that it doesn't integrate into the Desktop Environment very well. Also, the build in search is case senstive (which i hate).
Eventually I heard about Epiphany, which basically is very similar to Firefox, but it somewhat feels different. I especially like the very convenient bookmark system - and it's smooth looks - I change something in the Desktop theme, and there Epiphany adopts (for Gnome/ XFCE that is of course).
I am really looking forward to Firefox 3.0 though and I am curious what that WebKit engine is going to do to Epiphany (once they migrate).
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I couldn't stand Firefox. Never. The only Browser I ever used was Opera and still is. Allthough I have to say, the Windows version is better, more responsive. But things are getting better with 9.5 anyway, including native Flash support!
For Flashsites I use either Epiphany or Vimperator at the moment. Vimperator just has some nice feeling around it. Epiphany all in all is a really good Browser. If it wouldn't close unexpectedly on me from time to time I would say it has nearly no failures.
But then is the new Konqueror coming soon, which is supposed to be cleaned up a lot. Let's see how that will be, also quite a nice browser.
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I just wanted to say that the Firefox Minefield pre-beta 2 is working really nicely. I didn't like the way the released Firefox 3 beta 1 felt, but this nightly build of:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9b2pre) Gecko/2007120104 Minefield/3.0b2pre
... is working really good. It's fast as hell, has full Linux native widgets, icons, folders, tabs, and it feels so fast when browsing pages that it has now become my default browser.
Large View: http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r161 … -119-1.png
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I find Opera a much more robust browser, with an amazing rendering engine, lightweight and featurefull (but not bloated). I've used it since version 6 and tried to left it many times because of the closed source and blah-blah, but always came back. I just find FF (and all gecko-based browsers) to be very resource-hungry, buggy and slow. I read somewhere that the code is very bad written. I guess the success of FF is just due to marketing.
Khtml and webkit engines look promising, but both are still in my opinion worse than opera's one.
And when opera 9.5 comes out running over qt4, with the rewritten rendering engine, it shall be even better.
Long life to Opera, i guess more people should use it and this way force developers to test their pages also under opera.
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You should test the firefox 3 nightly packages in the AUR. While there seems to be some minor font rendering issue related to the new gecko engine, Firefox 3 feels much faster and the new bookmarking features are quite nice.
I don't find it in aur..
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mintcoffee wrote:You should test the firefox 3 nightly packages in the AUR. While there seems to be some minor font rendering issue related to the new gecko engine, Firefox 3 feels much faster and the new bookmarking features are quite nice.
I don't find it in aur..
search harder next time --> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?d … &ID=2222&O
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Opera is simply a superior browser. You can tweak Firefox to do what opera does, but it will be buggier, slower and heavier in doing so. The only real advantage it has is that you can tweak it to do just about anything - which I suppose has a strong appeal for open-source users (along with it being free as in speech).
With kestrel, Opera have taken another huge leap forwards to make sure the competition will be playing catch up for a while yet. The speed of the thing in beta is just uncanny.
Speaking of which, anyone know if there's an arch package somewhere for kestrel?
PS. I should say I still keep firefox around for its superior java implementation. Only way for me to access my bank online, so it's not all well in the land of smiles.
Last edited by b9anders (2007-12-11 17:37:15)
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How truth this is, b9anders.
PS. I should say I still keep firefox around for its superior java implementation. Only way for me to access my bank online, so it's not all well in the land of smiles.
For that kind of stuff you may use kazehakase, which uses gecko engine without suffering because of the bloated GUI of FF.
Here you can get Opera devel version:
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?d … ns=&SeB=nd
Last edited by MartinZ (2007-12-11 21:26:12)
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There was talk over at the Opera dev blog that they will implement their own Java interface in Kestrel similar to what Konqueror does (again?).
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Forget all of that netscape stuff I wrote earlier (it was nice for a few days)...
The new Swiftfox 3 prebeta is on fire. It's super fast: http://getswiftfox.com/
I stopped using Compiz Fusion, and went back to xfwm4, and between the combo of the new xfce4.4.2 (xfwm4) and the new Swiftfox 3, my pages are loading instantly... and not even using my Swap file.
Large View of Swiftfox 3: http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r161 … shot-6.png
Large View: http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r161 … shot-8.png
Last edited by methuselah (2007-12-11 22:39:32)
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Forget all of that netscape stuff I wrote earlier (it was nice for a few days)...
The new Swiftfox 3 prebeta is on fire. It's super fast: http://getswiftfox.com/
I stopped using Compiz Fusion, and went back to xfwm4, and between the combo of the new xfce4.4.2 (xfwm4) and the new Swiftfox 3, my pages are loading instantly... and not even using my Swap file.
Large View of Swiftfox 3: http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r161 … shot-6.png
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r161 … ot-6-1.pngLarge View: http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r161 … shot-8.png
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r161 … ot-8-3.png
But does vimperator work with it?
E: It does indeed!
Last edited by varl (2007-12-12 18:07:04)
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Opera is faster on my machines, but not as compatible. Some pages just don't render correctly, or not at all. (using -svn). I'd like to use Opera, but it's not an option if it doesn't work.
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Good to see someone speaking about swiftfox. If that was up to me, I would have replaced the firefox package by swiftfox. I really don't see the point of using firefox on Linux. It only makes your browsing slower.
Last edited by oliwer (2007-12-12 20:31:12)
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Forget all of that netscape stuff I wrote earlier (it was nice for a few days)...
The new Swiftfox 3 prebeta is on fire. It's super fast: http://getswiftfox.com/
I stopped using Compiz Fusion, and went back to xfwm4, and between the combo of the new xfce4.4.2 (xfwm4) and the new Swiftfox 3, my pages are loading instantly... and not even using my Swap file.
Large View of Swiftfox 3: http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r161 … shot-6.png
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r161 … ot-6-1.pngLarge View: http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r161 … shot-8.png
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r161 … ot-8-3.png
I use Opera on my KDE Desktop because it's faster than firefox (at least within KDE).
BTW, what fonts are you using @methuselah?
They look great!
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