new kernel 2.6.25-ARCH - freeze often

deepnote · 2008-05-25 06:44:59

hi,

yesterday I have installed new kernel and my asus laptop freezes again randomly. Mostly while playing some audio, video or game(Xmoto freeze after minute always).

TheSaint · 2008-05-25 07:01:11

Overheat?
Is it your system requiring fan control?

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deepnote · 2008-05-25 07:38:42

TheSaint wrote:

Overheat?
Is it your system requiring fan control?

No, it doesnt. Probably it`s the problem of ACPI again. I tried to boot with no acpi parametrs and laptop didnt freeze, yet.

STiAT · 2008-05-25 10:14:48

Got similar problems. It's not a real freeze, but the system is less responsive.
I'm downgrading for now.

deepnote · 2008-05-27 15:50:12

Would be a problem to keep in repositories older kernel(with nvidia...) for cases of downgrade?

bavardage · 2008-05-27 16:03:23

Maybe my problem - http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=49269 - is linked to this - what has changed in the new kernel acpi-wise? It seems that downgrading to 2.6.24 has solved my problem too.

tigrmesh · 2008-05-27 16:09:10

deepnote wrote:

Would be a problem to keep in repositories older kernel(with nvidia...) for cases of downgrade?

You should have the old versions in /var/cache/pacman/pkg/

bavardage · 2008-05-28 10:14:31

or you can get it from some mirrors directly: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp. … pkg.tar.gz

moljac024 · 2008-05-28 10:17:59

tigrmesh wrote:

deepnote wrote:
Would be a problem to keep in repositories older kernel(with nvidia...) for cases of downgrade?
You should have the old versions in /var/cache/pacman/pkg/

Ok, why not seriously consider keeping older versions of some software in the repos ? Some people clean their pacman cache from time to time (including myself since I have a separate /var partition and it fills up)

Mr Green · 2008-05-28 10:22:17

this issue has been raised several times ... I still think that a version kernel that is listed separate ie kernel2.6.24 lernel2.6..25 would save all these problems you could then just go into old kernel... until new one is stable

my2c

[I am having problems with my new kernel too ;-(]

_Marco_ · 2008-05-28 10:31:52

moljac024 wrote:

Ok, why not seriously consider keeping older versions of some software in the repos ? Some people clean their pacman cache from time to time (including myself since I have a separate /var partition and it fills up)

+1
we'd write a list of "critical software", needed to start the system, maintained in the (core) repo in two version "bleeding-edge" & "enough stable".
It should grant you to run in a "basic arch environment" (only shell) even if everything is broken...
anyway this is just my opinion ^^

Diaz · 2008-05-28 10:56:56

for that question i think someone should just create a repo with that kind off packages, i think that including that kind of scheme in the standart repos is against KISS...

_Marco_ · 2008-05-28 11:11:41

well already exists repos with older packages ..
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Downgrade_packages
if the arch-stable project was gone on (excuse my english ) we'd have a stable repo right now...
actually the only alternative is manually download the older packages..

deepnote · 2008-05-30 08:49:57

SuperPunisher wrote:

I think that the problem is a buggy module in kernel(acpi?). I can make a diff Gentoo kernel config - Arch kernel config for see differences and the module that create problems.

Please do

_Marco_ · 2008-05-30 09:07:12

isn't possible that gentoo patch the kernel acpi module?
or.. since arch use (some) patch it is possible that one of them is buggy...
just wondering..

edit:
uhm.. no patch in arch atm ... it seems very vanilla
(just looked at /var/abs/core/kernel26/)
so survive only the first hypothesis, that could be wrong as well

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violagirl23 · 2008-06-01 06:24:32

The mirror doesn't work now. ;-;
Seriously, is there ANY way to downgrade if you don't have the older kernel in your pacman cache? I just installed Arch two days ago, so of course I only have the newer kernel! And I was having a heck of a time getting my Intel 4965 wireless card to work (it just won't find my access point) and it turns out TONS of people are having trouble with the 2.6.25 kernel and this driver so I REALLY need to downgrade because of it. But I have no cache. Is there any other way to get it? Could I possibly get someone to email it to me or something? (the package build). I'm running Arch64, so it's not i686.
I just don't know what to do. Downgrading in Gentoo was so easy since they have like 20 versions of the kernel in the repos at once, I swear.
I suppose I might have to download the vanilla sources and compile it myself, which isn't hard. I just hate having to deal with figuring out which modules need to be rebuilt to work with the different kernel, which is why I was trying to go with the repo method instead.

bangkok_manouel · 2008-06-01 06:55:18

violagirl23 wrote:

The mirror doesn't work now. ;-;
Seriously, is there ANY way to downgrade if you don't have the older kernel in your pacman cache? I just installed Arch two days ago, so of course I only have the newer kernel! And I was having a heck of a time getting my Intel 4965 wireless card to work (it just won't find my access point) and it turns out TONS of people are having trouble with the 2.6.25 kernel and this driver so I REALLY need to downgrade because of it. But I have no cache. Is there any other way to get it? Could I possibly get someone to email it to me or something? (the package build). I'm running Arch64, so it's not i686.
I just don't know what to do. Downgrading in Gentoo was so easy since they have like 20 versions of the kernel in the repos at once, I swear.
I suppose I might have to download the vanilla sources and compile it myself, which isn't hard. I just hate having to deal with figuring out which modules need to be rebuilt to work with the different kernel, which is why I was trying to go with the repo method instead.

chroot in borked system
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_Panics

build 2.6.24.4
http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/k … iew=markup

Cotton · 2008-06-01 08:29:08

A mirror here has the 2.6.24.4 kernel package.

.:B:. · 2008-06-01 22:37:38

moljac024 wrote:

tigrmesh wrote:
deepnote wrote:
Would be a problem to keep in repositories older kernel(with nvidia...) for cases of downgrade?
You should have the old versions in /var/cache/pacman/pkg/
Ok, why not seriously consider keeping older versions of some software in the repos ? Some people clean their pacman cache from time to time (including myself since I have a separate /var partition and it fills up)

Basic part of Arch Linux is its rolling release system. That's how we, well... roll . If that bothers you, then you should find a solution for that, not ask a distro to change so it suits you better.

Funnily enough only recent users seem to raise this 'issue' (which, really, isn't an issue at all - read Arch Linux' 'mission statement').

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mintcoffee · 2008-06-02 04:28:20

B wrote:

moljac024 wrote:
tigrmesh wrote:
You should have the old versions in /var/cache/pacman/pkg/
Ok, why not seriously consider keeping older versions of some software in the repos ? Some people clean their pacman cache from time to time (including myself since I have a separate /var partition and it fills up)
Basic part of Arch Linux is its rolling release system. That's how we, well... roll . If that bothers you, then you should find a solution for that, not ask a distro to change so it suits you better.
Funnily enough only recent users seem to raise this 'issue' (which, really, isn't an issue at all - read Arch Linux' 'mission statement').

Well, new users have this 'issue' simply because new users don't have a large package cache full of old versions The ABS is a great solution to this problem however, but it does have a steeper learning curve (though not by much) compared to the rest of the distro.

Cotton · 2008-06-02 05:02:10

mintcoffee wrote:

...but it does have a steeper learning curve...

Learning is what Arch is all about

shazeal · 2008-06-02 06:14:42

First thing to learn in arch is if you have any kind of hardware requirements that could be broken by kernel upgrades is to make a custom kernel to run along side the stock arch one. I have the arch kernel installed but never really use it except for the odd "I wonder if the new kernel actually works on my machine?" I have a -TEST kernel, and a -STABLE kernel which i run along side the stock -ARCH one.
If the test one dies, I load the stable one and fix it, the arch one is just there for show or any odd deps that may pop up.

Ive done the same with a business I look after the machines/server are all Arch installs with a custom kernel so the machines can just be booted off the previous working build If something goes wrong.

Stock arch kernels are for gamblers imo

gabell · 2008-06-03 15:45:06

I haven't freezes with acpi=off boot options in the same asus A6M. But I haven't acpi features too Could you help me?

benmorgan · 2008-06-18 18:55:04

I seem to be having very similar problems. I am running a Thinkpad, and just after upgrading, it starts freezing -- never happened before. How does it freeze? Mine was in both cases with music playing, and then it freezes, the music playing over that loop, with absolutely nothing responding, not even Alt-SysRq... I'll see what else I find.

schimpfj · 2008-06-19 07:48:16

@shazeal Do you have a link to a (good) docu on how to do this, having multiple kernel in parallel installed? Trying to do since quite a while but no joy.

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