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#1 2008-06-04 17:07:14

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Arch Linux Newsletter for June 04, 2008 Discussion

http://archlinux.org/static/newsletters … un-02.html

Here we are going to discuss any questions, suggestions or random talk about the newsletter for June 04, 2008. Feel free to contribute with ideas and suggestions.

As always thanks for your support,

In the name of the Arch Linux Newsletter Team

Eduardo "kensai" Romero


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#2 2008-06-04 17:42:34

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Re: Arch Linux Newsletter for June 04, 2008 Discussion

I can't wait for Flash 10.

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#3 2008-06-04 17:48:41

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That was a very good read smile
I'm looking forward to see you in DretchStorm by the way, since I always play on that server (finferflu@arch, perhaps I should edit it).

Anyway, the only thing I would fix in the newsletter are the links, I hate copy-pasting, and I'm sure you do too tongue


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#4 2008-06-04 17:57:30

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nice job again Dusty and Eduardo cool
Good to see the newsletter continuously improving.

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#5 2008-06-04 18:22:15

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finferflu wrote:

That was a very good read smile
I'm looking forward to see you in DretchStorm by the way, since I always play on that server (finferflu@arch, perhaps I should edit it).

Anyway, the only thing I would fix in the newsletter are the links, I hate copy-pasting, and I'm sure you do too tongue

I hope to see you there as well, just fear me. big_smile

The links were that way intentionally, but I don't know why. lol wink maybe Dusty can tell us why he left the Schwag Report links like that.


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#6 2008-06-04 18:48:43

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Kensai:  IMHO some mention of FaunOS, archlinux-based, utilizing Larch scripts, and providing PacTrac gui and booting from USB flash as r/o seems appropo.

In, particular, it enables a rather extensive look-see at archlinux with a simple download and even simpler install via dd command, into a KDE desktop.  Minimal details added into /etc/rc.conf, and either a removal of openoffice-base(to reduce the install size in overlay) or, a resize of the partition to enable added packages or changes in /etc are usual initial activities.

Alternate download of DVD .iso permits a resize of the active partition as well.

These Faunos installs are r/o and install utilizing none of the users storage devices(except USB flash) and operates in ram through squashfs and aufs.

I see it as a simple method for newbies to linux to "get acquainted" and in a fuller measure without affecting their present system arrangement.

I see it as "better" than arch install CD, IMHO.

Give it its due..................


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#7 2008-06-04 18:50:36

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Re: Arch Linux Newsletter for June 04, 2008 Discussion

Nice, a new newsletter! Keep them coming! :-D

I found some small typos that seems to have slipped through the proofreading:
"orselves" -> "ourselves" (Tremuluos article)
tar cvz $(INPUT) | split [OPTION]  - [PREFIX]] - one extra right bracket too much (Tips and Tricks)
"Thisactually" -> "This actually" (The Humor Section)

There is one spelling error in the featured interview, but I'm not sure if that should be corrected, or have [sic] attached to it.

I also think it should have been made clear that Tremuluos is only available for i686 and you need to enable the Community repository (I think it's enabled by default now, but I bet some people have it disabled).


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#8 2008-06-04 19:11:08

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[vEX] wrote:

I also think it should have been made clear that Tremuluos is only available for i686 and you need to enable the Community repository (I think it's enabled by default now, but I bet some people have it disabled).

Ok fixed everything but the interview, since I don't like correcting people in interviews, he is from Germany so English might not be his first language, still I always like Interviews to be left untouched.

Oh, and check it out now, I updated the Tremulous article with your note. wink


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#9 2008-06-04 19:54:10

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Re: Arch Linux Newsletter for June 04, 2008 Discussion

In the forum highlights section for the penny arcade game I think it should say "The Penny Arcade game has been made available for Linux, which makes this game special and worth discussing."

Nice newsletter.

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#10 2008-06-04 22:34:53

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I'd like to point out the my demonstration of "the best way to hijack a forum thread" was before I had Forum Mod power.  I'm much more responsible now...   Really! big_smile

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#11 2008-06-04 22:54:43

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Allan wrote:

I'd like to point out the my demonstration of "the best way to hijack a forum thread" was before I had Forum Mod power.  I'm much more responsible now...   Really! big_smile

I take that as a demonstration of skills. Wow! You must be a professional tongue


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#12 2008-06-05 02:34:28

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Allan wrote:

I'd like to point out the my demonstration of "the best way to hijack a forum thread" was before I had Forum Mod power.  I'm much more responsible now...   Really! big_smile

Well, take it this way, how will you be able to fix the problem if you don't know how is caused? Now we all know you know how to reproduce the problem, we just need to see how you fix it. lol


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#13 2008-06-05 02:58:05

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Re: Arch Linux Newsletter for June 04, 2008 Discussion

Sorry about the missed typos, I did the proofreading at about 2AM...

The links in my contributions are like that cause I didn't write them in HTML... One of us should have converted them. :-D

Dusty

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#14 2008-06-05 03:43:02

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By the way, I've given up on mouse gestures and have started trying to yell single letters at my computer. It hasn't responded to me yet, but I think eventually it'll be intimidated enough to cave in. Right now I am using my incredibly anti-KISS (who on earth needs something with 104 buttons all labeled differently? It's driving me up the wall.) keyboard.


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#15 2008-06-05 03:53:10

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Re: Arch Linux Newsletter for June 04, 2008 Discussion

You can go old style - yell letters at your secretary. She'll cave in, no doubt. [Oh well, tell me about hijacking threads...]

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#16 2008-06-05 06:27:23

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Howdy.

The point to take away here is that development is guided by developers, not users. We are volunteers, so we would much rather volunteer our time doing work we want to do rather than implement someone else's feature request. If you want to influence libalpm/pacman/makepkg development, by far the best way is to follow the mailing list and contribute small fixes for things that bug you.

From "http://archlinux.org/static/newsletters/newsletter-2008-Jun-02.html#devland :: Section II : Dan McGee's Report :: Where is pacman development going?"

Last night I was thinking: "Ah, finally, a distribution which respects its developers and openly admits it. This is just what I was looking for.". And for good reason; I'm guessing many people see teams behind various FOSS Operating Systems as people who are striving to build a product with the sole purpose of satisfying "the user base"; when in fact those people -should- be working on scratching their itches and "as a side effect" scratch various users' itches too. Not having users decide "where stuff is going" is "the natural way", as I see it. Users need Devs more than Devs need Users. (This is why Exherbo Linux' philosophy appeals to me very much indeed)

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#17 2008-06-05 10:57:37

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Update: [vEX] from the forums pointed out: "it should have been made clear that Tremuluos is only available for i686 and you need to enable the Community repository (I think it's enabled by default now, but I bet some people have it disabled)."

false.
trem is for x86_64 too. the backport client you linked is only for i686, but if you search a bit on google, you can find svn client versions for 64 too.
playing trem on an arch64 laptop smile

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#18 2008-06-05 12:05:21

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Re: Arch Linux Newsletter for June 04, 2008 Discussion

kensai wrote:
[vEX] wrote:

I also think it should have been made clear that Tremuluos is only available for i686 and you need to enable the Community repository (I think it's enabled by default now, but I bet some people have it disabled).

Ok fixed everything but the interview, since I don't like correcting people in interviews, he is from Germany so English might not be his first language, still I always like Interviews to be left untouched.

Oh, and check it out now, I updated the Tremulous article with your note. ;)

Yeah, I feel the same way about the interview, it's just that previously in some interviews small typos have had [sic] next to them to point out the editor being aware of them.

weseven wrote:

Update: [vEX] from the forums pointed out: "it should have been made clear that Tremuluos is only available for i686 and you need to enable the Community repository (I think it's enabled by default now, but I bet some people have it disabled)."

false.
trem is for x86_64 too. the backport client you linked is only for i686, but if you search a bit on google, you can find svn client versions for 64 too.
playing trem on an arch64 laptop :)

Oh, I didn't spend much time searching for it, I just checked what's available in the Arch repositories, so in one way I'm still correct. It'd be nice to see a package (be it in Extra/Community or AUR) for us 64-bit users.

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#19 2008-06-05 13:48:33

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I'm glad that I was able to amuse you, kensai, by embarrassing myself at the ubuntu forums.

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#20 2008-06-05 15:05:12

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Re: Arch Linux Newsletter for June 04, 2008 Discussion

weseven wrote:

trem is for x86_64 too. the backport client you linked is only for i686, but if you search a bit on google, you can find svn client versions for 64 too.
playing trem on an arch64 laptop smile

Added another update pointing out to your statement.

Also fixed some general things, like making links available to the Schwag report section.

miggy wrote:

I'm glad that I was able to amuse you, kensai, by embarrassing myself at the ubuntu forums.

I do apologized for this in the newsletter, but in fact is kind of cool to know you have people that care about you and what is happening on Arch Linux on a true interest sense, not on a criticizing point of view. So, all in all your post was not a bad thing, in fact it showed interest.

We sometimes like to have fun, and that is good team dynamics. wink


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#21 2008-06-05 15:19:58

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Thanks for the link to the Linus Torvalds presentation. It was quite good. And was that Ken Thompson sitting in the first row asking about how Linus considers the communal aspect of computing?

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#22 2008-06-05 16:39:30

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peets wrote:

And was that Ken Thompson sitting in the first row asking about how Linus considers the communal aspect of computing?

It sure looks like him, but well I can't tell geeks tend to look alike, thats why I'm a geek with fashion. big_smile


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#23 2008-06-05 17:29:02

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[vEX] wrote:

Oh, I didn't spend much time searching for it, I just checked what's available in the Arch repositories, so in one way I'm still correct. It'd be nice to see a package (be it in Extra/Community or AUR) for us 64-bit users.

well, in community there's a package for it ( ftp://archlinux.puzzle.ch/community/os/ … pkg.tar.gz i.e.),
about a backport package... well, when i manage to find again the one i'm using, i'll surely put a PKGBUILD for it in AUR smile

kensai wrote:

Added another update pointing out to your statement.

thank you for your work smile

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#24 2008-06-05 18:01:46

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weseven wrote:

well, in community there's a package for it ( ftp://archlinux.puzzle.ch/community/os/ … pkg.tar.gz i.e.),
about a backport package... well, when i manage to find again the one i'm using, i'll surely put a PKGBUILD for it in AUR smile
thank you for your work smile

Keep me posted on your progress about this. It will make it to the newsletter if you do, and that way we can make more peoples life enjoyable. wink


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#25 2008-06-05 18:29:52

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I'm just honored to have made it into an official arch publication smile

Edit:  PS I should express my gratitude to everybody who contributes to the newsletter; I think it is well done.

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