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MONODA

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Why isnt fox more popular?

I recently came across the fox toolkit: http://www.fox-toolkit.org/ and was wondering why it isnt more popular, it is very fast and portable. The goggles media player is written in it and it is very fast.

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finferflu

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

I hope it can look nicer than what appears from those screenshots. Interesting to know anyway.

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xaw

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

Fox is a nice toolkit, but it is plagued by the same problem that faces Tcl/Tk programs, the non-blending "ancient" look (well, ancient to some users) that doesn't mix well with gtk or qt apps.

The app in the 2nd screenshot looks interesting to I must say

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Sp4rkR4t

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

Yup, it all comes down to the theming issue.

GogglesGuy

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

Fox is a nice toolkit, but it is plagued by the same problem that faces Tcl/Tk programs, the non-blending "ancient" look (well, ancient to some users) that doesn't mix well with gtk or qt apps.

The app in the 2nd screenshot looks interesting to I must say

Which one? The CFD-VIEW one?

freakcode

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

I recently came across the fox toolkit: http://www.fox-toolkit.org/ and was wondering why it isnt more popular, it is very fast and portable. The goggles media player is written in it and it is very fast.

Because sometimes - and you may find it absurd - nobody wants YAT (Yet Another Toolkit). Also, what dictates the use of one or another toolkit is much less the toolkit itself, but what you get adopting them. E.g.: Gtk+ or Qt alone don't do much more than any other, but with Gnome bindings, KDE libs, D-Bus, Gstreamer, Cairo, etc... gives a lot more features to the developer. Anything more than a common application needs those features, and reinveinting the wheel is not desirable - opensource is here for that, reusing.

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gothmog.todi

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

Internationalization might be a problem with fox. See http://www.lxde.org/faq.html (#5)

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Lyceuhns

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

It's ugly! >.<

nogoma

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

While I agree it's a bit dated looking, I actually used this in an app for a client (seemed to me it was the most accessible cross platform toolkit with ruby bindings at the time), and it wasn't too bad to work with. If I had it to do over, though, I'd do it w/ qt.

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Mikko777

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

It's ugly! >.<

Not only is it ugly, but it looks like windows!

Altho goggles music manager is great, would be greater in QT but then again I'd prolly use amarok2 anyways

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MONODA

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

I never thought about the look actually, to me it doesnt matter. I would much prefer a fast ugly look than a slow pretty one.

xaw

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

Fox is a nice toolkit, but it is plagued by the same problem that faces Tcl/Tk programs, the non-blending "ancient" look (well, ancient to some users) that doesn't mix well with gtk or qt apps.

The app in the 2nd screenshot looks interesting to I must say

Which one? The CFD-VIEW one?

Yep, the CFD-VIEW app would be the one I'm talking about.

I never thought about the look actually, to me it doesn't matter. I would much prefer a fast ugly look than a slow pretty one.

Anyone up for a little Xlib/XAthena programming?

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GogglesGuy

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

Fox is a nice toolkit, but it is plagued by the same problem that faces Tcl/Tk programs, the non-blending "ancient" look (well, ancient to some users) that doesn't mix well with gtk or qt apps.

The app in the 2nd screenshot looks interesting to I must say

Which one? The CFD-VIEW one?

Yep, the CFD-VIEW app would be the one I'm talking about.

I work on that one

Kknd

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

For many reasons:

-> It's not beautiful;
-> It's hard to use (I think GTK is a lot easier [C API]);
-> l10n issues (bidi text?);
-> Not so complete;

xaw

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

@GogglesGuy: That's really neat! I was not expecting to see that in this thread. I wish you all the best in working on it; it's a really nice app (I'm experimenting with it right now)

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