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#1 2008-06-04 18:04:19

MONODA
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Why isnt fox more popular?

I recently came across the fox toolkit: http://www.fox-toolkit.org/ and was wondering why it isnt more popular, it is very fast and portable. The goggles media player is written in it and it is very fast.

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#2 2008-06-04 18:56:35

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

I hope it can look nicer than what appears from those screenshots. Interesting to know anyway.


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#3 2008-06-04 19:17:09

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

Fox is a nice toolkit, but it is plagued by the same problem that faces Tcl/Tk programs, the non-blending "ancient" look (well, ancient to some users) that doesn't mix well with gtk or qt apps.

The app in the 2nd screenshot looks interesting to I must say smile


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#4 2008-06-04 19:26:30

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

Yup, it all comes down to the theming issue.

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#5 2008-06-04 19:43:31

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

xaw wrote:

Fox is a nice toolkit, but it is plagued by the same problem that faces Tcl/Tk programs, the non-blending "ancient" look (well, ancient to some users) that doesn't mix well with gtk or qt apps.

The app in the 2nd screenshot looks interesting to I must say smile

Which one? The CFD-VIEW one?

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#6 2008-06-04 19:59:28

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

MONODA wrote:

I recently came across the fox toolkit: http://www.fox-toolkit.org/ and was wondering why it isnt more popular, it is very fast and portable. The goggles media player is written in it and it is very fast.

Because sometimes - and you may find it absurd - nobody wants YAT (Yet Another Toolkit). Also, what dictates the use of one or another toolkit is much less the toolkit itself, but what you get adopting them. E.g.: Gtk+ or Qt alone don't do much more than any other, but with Gnome bindings, KDE libs, D-Bus, Gstreamer, Cairo, etc... gives a lot more features to the developer. Anything more than a common application needs those features, and reinveinting the wheel is not desirable - opensource is here for that, reusing.

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#7 2008-06-05 12:50:04

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

Internationalization might be a problem with fox. See http://www.lxde.org/faq.html (#5)

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#8 2008-06-05 13:11:31

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

It's ugly! >.<

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#9 2008-06-05 14:37:52

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

While I agree it's a bit dated looking, I actually used this in an app for a client (seemed to me it was the most accessible cross platform toolkit with ruby bindings at the time), and it wasn't too bad to work with. If I had it to do over, though, I'd do it w/ qt.


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#10 2008-06-05 14:47:58

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

Lyceuhns wrote:

It's ugly! >.<

Not only is it ugly, but it looks like windows! tongue

Altho goggles music manager is great, would be greater in QT but then again I'd prolly use amarok2 anyways hmm

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#11 2008-06-05 14:50:23

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

I never thought about the look actually, to me it doesnt matter. I would much prefer a fast ugly look than a slow pretty one.

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#12 2008-06-05 22:51:25

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

GogglesGuy wrote:
xaw wrote:

Fox is a nice toolkit, but it is plagued by the same problem that faces Tcl/Tk programs, the non-blending "ancient" look (well, ancient to some users) that doesn't mix well with gtk or qt apps.

The app in the 2nd screenshot looks interesting to I must say smile

Which one? The CFD-VIEW one?

Yep, the CFD-VIEW app would be the one I'm talking about.

MONODA wrote:

I never thought about the look actually, to me it doesn't matter. I would much prefer a fast ugly look than a slow pretty one.

Anyone up for a little Xlib/XAthena programming? smile

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#13 2008-06-05 23:07:14

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

xaw wrote:
GogglesGuy wrote:
xaw wrote:

Fox is a nice toolkit, but it is plagued by the same problem that faces Tcl/Tk programs, the non-blending "ancient" look (well, ancient to some users) that doesn't mix well with gtk or qt apps.

The app in the 2nd screenshot looks interesting to I must say smile

Which one? The CFD-VIEW one?

Yep, the CFD-VIEW app would be the one I'm talking about.

I work on that one big_smile smile

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#14 2008-06-05 23:19:11

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

For many reasons:

-> It's not beautiful;
-> It's hard to use (I think GTK is a lot easier [C API]);
-> l10n issues (bidi text?);
-> Not so complete;

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#15 2008-06-05 23:53:52

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Re: Why isnt fox more popular?

@GogglesGuy: That's really neat! I was not expecting to see that in this thread. I wish you all the best in working on it; it's a really nice app (I'm experimenting with it right now) big_smile


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