Arch First Impressions

japetto · 2009-03-13 15:13:48

This thread reeks of trolling, IMHO.

mythus · 2009-03-13 15:15:18

I must have installed arch 6 times already, and I happen to love it's installation method. Very simple and straight forward.. as long as you know how to read. Heck most of The Beginners Guide is a simple copy/paste into the terminal with some reading in between...

Yeah making 7 clicks here and there on a ubuntu gui installer may seem more simple at first, but then comes trying to upgrade without reinstalling, or fixing issues like "Older package still exists, so can't install newer package, can't remove older package to install newer package cause package xyz depends on it" problems. I encountered that a lot trying to update kubuntu to 4.2... talk about headaches...

You don't really get that problem here, and you already know a lot more about what is in your computer from the get go and updating to the newest release is as simple as a pacman -Syu...

Sorry.. had to rant.. he can have his ubuntu and it's troubles..

eldragon · 2009-03-13 16:56:05

jt512 wrote:

itsmeh wrote:
sorry to much work, giving up, thanks anyways
No distro can please everybody. And if the distro I've chosen fails to please those who don't know the difference between "to" and "too," can't bother to begin sentences with a capital letter, and end sentences with a period, then I've probably picked the right distro.
Jay

now i think this qualifies as the most stupid out of context remark ive ever seen. not everyone is as fluent as you are in english. and im not using cap letters on purpose. i can bother to begin the sentenses with them, but i choose not to

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Mr.Elendig · 2009-03-13 16:58:39

itsmeh wrote:

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Arch Linux is a versatile, and simple distribution designed to fit the needs of the competent GNU/Linux user.

Edit:

Anyway, there is sometimes issues with installing arch (and most other distroes) in a vm. It's often easier to get it up and running on a real machine.

Edit 2:

try vc/5 instead of vc/7

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Inxsible · 2009-03-13 17:41:07

For what its worth, you have to commend Ubuntu for at least bringing Linux to the masses, if not for anything else.

There is no point in dissing Ubuntu. It has a different niche. To be honest, we have to accept that if Arch was the only Linux distro out there, we wouldn't have so many Linux users. Not everyone wants a CLI interface -- just the same way as not many archers want heavy GUI.

So lets stop dissing other distros. Help out those who want the help -- and are also willing to help themselves.

FrozenFox · 2009-03-13 17:48:41

eldragon wrote:

now i think this qualifies as the most stupid out of context remark ive ever seen. not everyone is as fluent as you are in english.

eldragon wrote:

and im not using cap letters on purpose. i can bother to begin the sentenses with them, but i choose not to

" Not everyone's good at english! However, some of us are deliberately bad at it just to be annoying or lazy! Don't be mad! "

I'm going to try to keep this as far away from being a flame as possible while stating my irritation with the above sentiments, but it probably won't work out that way in practice.

Ignorance is a valid excuse for poor grammar and spelling in a non-native speaker until corrected. The user's alias, however, gives a strong suggestion that (s)he speaks english natively, because it's a simple tweak of the words "It's Me".

In the end, neither of you have a valid reason for poor english. You are presumably a non-native speaker with poor grammar either due to laziness or a conscious attempt to be obnoxious, and it is fair to assume that the OP is a native speaker. It's interesting that you took offense to something that really shouldn't be offensive.

The poster likely intended to express his frustration with people who are capable of good communication but consciously abandon it (ahem), on the (probably valid) assumption that most of those who refuse to type a sentence correctly are too lazy to look for their own answers. He suggested the ubuntu community has an over-abundance of such people and is glad that the Arch community is not like that in general. Don't play "discriminated-against foreigners D:" without legitimate cause. I'm sure he knows the difference between ignorance and stupidity.

In short: He was trying to say that those who don't even try to be coherent, follow standards, and solve their own problems deserve to be singled out, and (as a sort of balance) we shouldn't even try to help them. He's irritated by those unwilling to try and unwilling to learn (ie the community, not the distribution). I can't think of a single legitimate reason why such an opinion should be offensive to anyone.

Inxsible wrote:

For what its worth, you have to commend Ubuntu for at least bringing Linux to the masses, if not for anything else.
There is no point in dissing Ubuntu. It has a different niche. To be honest, we have to accept that if Arch was the only Linux distro out there, we wouldn't have so many Linux users. Not everyone wants a CLI interface -- just the same way as not many archers want heavy GUI.
So lets stop dissing other distros. Help out those who want the help -- and are also willing to help themselves.

Everyone has their own way indeed. Three cheers for rationality. Hip hip..

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beretta · 2009-03-13 18:43:03

It's interesting to see this kind of attitude in people. My younger brother decided he wanted to look into learning how to use linux last Christmas. Having used Red Hat, Gentoo, Slackware, and looked at Ubuntu (promptly to look away) I became a huge fan of Arch very quickly, and so of course my recommendation for him was to try it out. Keep in mind this is someone with no prior linux experience, but with an attitude of wanting to learn something.

Needless to say, the installation went perfectly smoothly. We sat together and read through the Beginner's Wiki, he typed everything he needed to himself, and within no time he had partitioned his hard drive, installed arch, decided to start off working with Gnome and installed it as well as a few applications that he felt would be good to have (aside from Firefox, OpenOffice and the like, he wanted spice, geda, and a few other useful tools). Within a day, he was comfortably running things from CLI and really enjoying himself. He commented to me that he had never had so much fun installing any program on his machine before. Coming from a heavy gamer, I thought that was pretty impressive.

Long story short, I don't see any reason the installation procedure needs to be "prettied up". You don't have to understand completely what every command does, but the Wiki and forums make it very easy to learn exactly what you're doing very quickly. All it takes is a desire to learn and a willingness to ask. A bit of patience helps too.

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Misfit138 · 2009-03-13 19:27:34

I'm gonna go ahead and close this one on a high note.

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