no wine x86_64 pacakges...

graysky · 2009-04-14 18:51:59

I read on the wiki that there are not wine packages for x86_64. It goes on to recommend using one of the bin32-wine packages in the AUR: bin32-wine and bin32-wine-suse. What are the downsides to doing this? Will it for example require a bunch of x86 libs, performance issues, etc?

Thanks for the info!

Inxsible · 2009-04-14 18:55:38

graysky wrote:

I read on the wiki that there are not wine packages for x86_64. It goes on to recommend using one of the bin32-wine packages in the AUR: bin32-wine and bin32-wine-suse. What are the downsides to doing this? Will it for example require a bunch of x86 libs, performance issues, etc?
Thanks for the info!

I don't think there are any downsides except the fact that your 64 bit machine is hacking along at 32 bit only. Obviously the 32 bit packages cannot make use of the dual processor or 64bits.

Also, AFAIK, the 32 bit binaries are pretty much isolated under /relativepath/lib32. So i don't think there are corruption issues either.

There are many applications which don't have a 64 bit counterpart and people are using those apps without problems. Skype comes to mind.

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graysky · 2009-04-14 19:48:45

Cool, so which package for wine in the AUR are other x86_64 folks using?

Inxsible · 2009-04-14 19:53:14

graysky wrote:

Cool, so which package for wine in the AUR are other x86_64 folks using?

That I do not know. I have never used wine ever. But I just saw that the two packages in AUR that the wiki points to are flagged out of date. So you might want to install the latest versions yourself.

sirius · 2009-04-14 19:56:10

Check out this page: http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit

buttons · 2009-04-14 20:51:43

Inxsible wrote:

Obviously the 32 bit packages cannot make use of the dual processor or 64bits.

I use bin32-wine with dual core programs (such as games, deep rybka, etc) all the time. It works.

Inxsible · 2009-04-14 21:04:27

buttons wrote:

Inxsible wrote:
Obviously the 32 bit packages cannot make use of the dual processor or 64bits.
I use bin32-wine with dual core programs (such as games, deep rybka, etc) all the time. It works.

so you are saying that bin32-wine makes use of 64 bit addressing and utilizes dual processors simultaneously ?

I do not know of the game deep rybka, but are you sure you are using the 64 bit version of it? If so, why is wine called bin32-wine?

If this is the deep rybka that you were referring to then

Deep Rybka 3 runs faster on machines with more than one core, on single core computers there is no difference in playing strength.

which probably means that the more cores you have the faster it will be, but it can still run on a single core.

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Mr.Elendig · 2009-04-14 21:52:20

32bit vs 64bit has nothing to do with SMP.

buttons · 2009-04-14 22:48:08

Mr.Elendig wrote:

32bit vs 64bit has nothing to do with SMP.

This. For one thing, not all 64-bit processors have multiple cores (e.g. the Atom [not the netbook version]). Not all 32-bit processors are single core. Why would you think one would be required for the other?

Deep Rybka is a 32-bit chess program that utilises multiple processors/cores. I only used it as an example. There are games which use multiple cores, such as Oblivion (with the proper options set). These can all be utilised under 64-bit multicore systems.

In fact, there are a number of games that do not run properly in multicore systems by default (Magic Online 2.5 is an example), and while using bin32-wine one has to disable the use of the extra cores to get the client to run properly. I happen to use schedtool, but there are other ways.

graysky · 2009-04-14 23:00:21

@buttons - which package in the AUR did you install? This one? I get an 'no such file' error when I attempt to build it via makepkg.

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jumzi · 2009-04-14 23:57:16

./choo on multilibs! Long live the chroot!

buttons · 2009-04-15 00:08:35

jumzi wrote:

./choo on multilibs! Long live the chroot!

HERETIC! BURN THE UNBELIEVER!

graysky wrote:

which package in the AUR did you install? This one? I get an 'no such file' error when I attempt to build it via makepkg.

Ambiguous. You should probably mention which file is missing. Did you download 'binarynames' and put it in the same directory as the PKGBUILD?

The download also appears to be broken at the moment. Probably due to the fact that ftp.heanet.ie has updated their wine package to 1.1.19.

Edit the pkgbuild and change the 1.1.18 -> 1.1.19, remove the md5sums line, and makepkg should work. You'll just have to trust that the md5sum of wine-1.1.19 is correct. Or wait until the original AUR package owner updates his package.

...or install bin32-wine-suse. It usually works.

jack.mitchell · 2009-04-15 12:03:24

I've always just taken wine straight from the repositories and had no problems. I think it comes from the main archlinux ones, otherwise the only other I have added is archlinux.fr.

sudo pacman -S wine

Voila, the job is done.

Jack.

P.S If you need to add the archlinux.fr repository for this to work then you can find the how-to under the yaourt page in the wiki.

Edit: Yes I do run 64bit.

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graysky · 2009-04-15 18:41:00

@jack-mitchell - I don't think you're running x86_64:

# pacman -S wine
wine package not found, searching for group...
error: 'wine': not found in sync db

Can you post the results of a 'uname -a'?

Intrepid · 2009-04-16 01:45:20

Agreed I think he's confused. 64 bit processor, 32-bit archlinux

12o · 2009-05-19 19:56:13

graysky wrote:

@jack-mitchell - I don't think you're running x86_64:
# pacman -S wine
wine package not found, searching for group...
error: 'wine': not found in sync db
Can you post the results of a 'uname -a'?

I'm really new to Arch Linux and am having the same problem when I run the command.

Here is the result of my running uname -a

Linux <<machinename>> 2.6.29-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat May 14:09:36 CEST 2009 x86_64
 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

I would like to say that so far I love Arch Linux. I came from using FreeBSD but without 64bit Nvidia drivers (32 bit was causing crash problems for no reason), and decided to migrate to Linux but couldn't find one that didn't automatically come with Gnome or KDE (which I don't care for) or so much bloat that it takes up too much memory or HD space. So far, I'm finding the Wiki very informative and useful, and all problems seem to have been addressed in other parts of the internet.

Still too early for a final decision, but so far I like what I see. Works much like BSD in terms of you can start with a bare minimum install and put in only what you want when you want it.

Here's my pacman.conf

[core]
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

[extra]
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

[community]
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

In the /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist file, I have one server uncommented:

Server = http://mirror.archlinux.com.ve/$repo/os/x86_64

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blasse · 2009-05-19 21:12:16

bin32-arch is on AUR - install it usiong makepkg an pacman -U (right way) or using yaourt's yaourt -S bin32-wine (fast way)

Precompiled bin32-wine is also available on archlinuxfr repo (info about it should be on arch wiki)

12o · 2009-05-19 21:54:52

blasse wrote:

bin32-arch is on AUR - install it usiong makepkg an pacman -U (right way) or using yaourt's yaourt -S bin32-wine (fast way)

Which AUR server? And how do I get pacman to see it? Do I uncomment all of the AUR servers in the mirrorlist? Uncomment one? Is there another file I need to go into? The wiki doesn't really say unless you know exactly where to go, which I don't yet.

blasse wrote:

Precompiled bin32-wine is also available on archlinuxfr repo (info about it should be on arch wiki)

I followed the Wiki, but it doesn't say anything specific about how to get it other than "it's on the AUR". From a barebones, unmodified install being operated by someone who has absolutely no knowledge of Arch Linux, would you happen to know the step-by-step instructions to go from default install to having Wine installed?

Also, when I try to install yaourt, I get an error.

Thanks for your help, blasse. Greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the questions.

ngoonee · 2009-05-20 01:43:46

The easiest way is to use yaourt or some other AUR manager, for those who do not know how to do their own makepkg/install.

I personally use a 32-bit chroot, but that's just me and wouldn't be suitable for everyone. lib32 just freaks me out, after bad experiences with it previously.

But yes, with the sheer number of lib32-* packages needed for bin32-wine and similar 32-bit-on-64-bit installs, I figured chroot is the easier option.

To the OP, once again, download yaourt from archlinuxfr (wiki has instructions) and use it. It does everything automatically when you type 'yaourt -Sy bin32-wine'

Intrepid · 2009-05-20 02:20:56

Like ngoonee said, use archlinuxfr, download yaourt, bin32-wine is in archlinuxfr repositories. However, I have never had any problem with lib32 packages, I never needed a chroot. As long as the packages are kept separate from their native equivalents, you'll be fine!

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