arch manual ?

archunex · 2009-07-08 00:38:39

hey archain

happy to join the most intresting linux forumS , can we see a manual for archlinux for can spead it with arch .iso ?:D

fukawi2 · 2009-07-08 00:45:26

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners_Guide -> File -> Print.

Xyne · 2009-07-08 00:48:24

The "manual" for Arch Linux consists of the man pages for the various apps along with the online wiki. I think the installation media contain the beginners guide and maybe some other docs. There are also some packages which contain documentation (pacman -Ss docs) such as arch-wiki-docs.

Do a forum search as well. There have been a few attempts to compile something resembling an Arch manual.

Welcome to Arch and to the forum btw.

*edited for typos*

Last edited by Xyne (2009-07-08 00:49:02)

eldragon · 2009-07-08 03:07:49

the nature of a rolling release distro makes manuals useless, before you are done, it will already be obsolete.

wiki + forums + upstream homepages are what i use as a manual

AngryKoala · 2009-07-08 05:56:19

eldragon wrote:

the nature of a rolling release distro makes manuals useless, before you are done, it will already be obsolete.

That may very well be true, but the FreeBSD man pages are excellent and saved me time, sometimes just a few seconds, sometimes a ton of time depending on the command/app.

rasat · 2009-07-08 06:19:41

In my opinion, the man pages are for the developers / authors to write what they want to say, but not designed for the users to learn what they want to know, except for those who like technical information. What I like with wiki manuals, deals with practical things.

XFire · 2009-07-08 06:26:13

I rarely use the man pages. I only use them if a Wiki, forum and Google search yield nothing or little. Or its something simple and want something more in-depth than --help

R00KIE · 2009-07-08 11:26:22

fukawi2 wrote:

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners_Guide -> File -> Print.

That one made me laugh like crazy
But good answer.

archunex · 2009-07-08 22:23:21

ukawi2 wrote:

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners_Guide -> File -> PrinT ## that i dislike it i dont like more paper ,)

i think adda manaul to iso is more flexable !!!

ty u all

Mr.Elendig · 2009-07-08 22:38:37

archunex wrote:

ukawi2 wrote:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners_Guide -> File -> PrinT ## that i dislike it i dont like more paper ,)
i think adda manaul to iso is more flexable !!!
ty u all

The official install guide is on the iso, I don't remember if the beginners guide is on it too.

thayer · 2009-07-08 22:58:26

lulz wtf

sand_man · 2009-07-08 23:30:36

XFire wrote:

I rarely use the man pages. I only use them if a Wiki, forum and Google search yield nothing or little. Or its something simple and want something more in-depth than --help

Really? I use man pages all the time. If I just need to find out what command line args I can use and that sort of thing, it's easier to bring up the man page than go searching for a wiki document.

Misfit138 · 2009-07-09 16:56:39

rasat wrote:

In my opinion, the man pages are for the developers / authors to write what they want to say, but not designed for the users to learn what they want to know, except for those who like technical information. What I like with wiki manuals, deals with practical things.

Completely agreed. I have always found man pages quite limited in conveying practical usage information.
Then again, I have Asperger's, and I am easily overwhelmed by what I find to be long technical and complex instructions...(which is why I began contributing to the Beginners' Guide; so that I could organize my understanding of Arch with a cathartic mode of contribution).

Dusty · 2009-07-09 17:00:02

to understand man pages, you must first understand man pages.

They're usually mi first recourse.

Dusty

marxav · 2009-07-09 17:19:11

Man pages like many guides are "2 columns" guides where col 1 is the "switch" and column 2 the "action". To me it's like a dictionnary: a word and its definition. From a user point of view, it is not very usable because he does not know the "word" required to execute the command (definition). For a developer it is great because he will normally wants to be remembered what the heck switch -S does (the definition). A user on the other hand will want to know which switch to use to peform the desired action. Man pages age great for a given audiance but not for everyone IMHO.

Oh, and I meant to say that man pages are great if they have good exemples.

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daf666 · 2009-07-09 18:36:57

@marxav, for that there is 'apropos <keyword>' (or man -k <keyword>)

In general, yeah man pages are cool, but writing one sucks goat..

marxav · 2009-07-09 21:06:03

@daf666 Interesting. As soon as I got home I actually did "man man" As per all man pages, man is an interesting one. I guess this is what Dusty meant ... We definitely need a user manual on man

sand_man · 2009-07-09 23:34:22

marxav wrote:

Oh, and I meant to say that man pages are great if they have good exemples.

I have to agree with you there. man pages are a good reference tool but if you don't know how an application works at all then a man page is useless without examples.

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