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#51 2009-06-24 11:56:37

shevegen
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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

> Of course, visit us on #subtle!

Will try to. Thanks big_smile

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#52 2009-06-27 19:15:52

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

You're welcome, if none answers directly be patient. wink

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#53 2009-07-13 21:58:10

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

Config has been updated and added a nicer way to build tags. There are also many fixed to bugs and cleanups as well as Xinerama support. smile

Oh and I updated the default colors to my own color scheme, many people asked me about this. wink

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#54 2009-07-17 19:41:05

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

Hi,

I tried subtle and like it so far, coming from wmii. But I have some questions/remarks:
- Is there a way to have clients that to not fit into the tagging rules open in the current view (this would mean they get the tags of the current view)? I have a tag emacsen among others and everything without a rule seems to get emacsen as its tag, which is quite annoying. At least a fallback rule would be nice, so that I can specify another tag for them.
- The keybindings for choosing the left/right/up/down clients does not seem to work if they overlap. Can this be enhanced in some way? I do not like to touch the mouse often.
- When adding a tag to a window or to a view with subtler, it would be nice if the tags/views were autocreated if they do not exist. This would save the subtler -ta or -va lines.
- Sample grabs in the default config for retagging, adding views and so on would be really nice. I just do not get it with the ruby commands, so far I can only do it with subtler by hand.

But these are all minor issues. I will probably stay with subtle and leave wmii.

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#55 2009-07-17 19:56:09

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

One more question: In one screenshot there is a GTK interface, I assume this is gtk.rb from the scripts dir. But I get this error:

./gtk.rb: line 11: syntax error near unexpected token `"gtk2"'
./gtk.rb: line 11: `require("gtk2")'

I tried to install ruby-gtk2 from the community repo, but it did not help. How do run this gtk.rb?

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#56 2009-07-17 20:00:14

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

Hi thomasd,

1) clients that match no tagging rule and your first defined view get the default tag to ensure that the client is at least visible on any view. You can just set the default tag to a view by yourself, this will stop subtle from setting it to your first view.

2) I am currently working on this issue, there are some glitches e.g. when you want to select a client with center gravity. I will inform you when it's fixed in the usually way.

3) Sure, I will add this.

4) Doing this with subtler is far easier to understand if you have no idea about ruby - I am not sure if any examples would help there?

And thanks for trying, if you like please join #subtle on Freenode. So you can get feedback more quickly and we can talk about this with others too. smile

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#57 2009-07-17 20:06:22

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

thomasd wrote:

One more question: In one screenshot there is a GTK interface, I assume this is gtk.rb from the scripts dir. But I get this error:

./gtk.rb: line 11: syntax error near unexpected token `"gtk2"'
./gtk.rb: line 11: `require("gtk2")'

I tried to install ruby-gtk2 from the community repo, but it did not help. How do run this gtk.rb?

You have to run it in this way:

ruby gtk.rb

There's no shebang line in the file.

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#58 2009-07-17 20:33:49

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Thanks for your fast reply.

unexist wrote:

4) Doing this with subtler is far easier to understand if you have no idea about ruby - I am not sure if any examples would help there?

You are probably right. I am just getting started with this view and tag stuff. In wmii you always viewed a single tag, but the tags could be regex for sophistication. Here, you have another layer with the tagged views. But I will get used to it.

unexist wrote:

And thanks for trying, if you like please join #subtle on Freenode. So you can get feedback more quickly and we can talk about this with others too. smile

If I find the time, sure. It is good to see how fast the development goes at the moment.

unexist wrote:

You have to run it in this way:

ruby gtk.rb

There's no shebang line in the file.

Ah, I am stupid... But I needed the removed ":2" in the latest revision...

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#59 2009-07-17 21:11:18

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

thomasd wrote:

You are probably right. I am just getting started with this view and tag stuff. In wmii you always viewed a single tag, but the tags could be regex for sophistication. Here, you have another layer with the tagged views. But I will get used to it.

Yes, I like this additional layer, because you can create complexer layouts without loosing overview. Also tags can be used to set various stuff like floating, stick, gravity or even screen. And the tag/view stuff is also like the code internal works.

thomasd wrote:

Ah, I am stupid... But I needed the removed ":2" in the latest revision...

I just commited this change after I posted here. It's included in #1271. smile

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#60 2009-07-19 17:52:02

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

thomasd wrote:

- The keybindings for choosing the left/right/up/down clients does not seem to work if they overlap. Can this be enhanced in some way? I do not like to touch the mouse often.

This keybinds should work better now in r1280 - I will update the PKGBUILD after this post.

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#61 2009-07-19 18:23:46

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

I will give it a try.

The PKGBUILD of subtle-hg pulls always the latest revision, so is there any other reason to update it?

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#62 2009-07-25 21:27:19

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

thomasd wrote:

I will give it a try.

The PKGBUILD of subtle-hg pulls always the latest revision, so is there any other reason to update it?

Oh, no the subtle-hg package fetches a static version, because I can now restrict it to versions that work. wink

Config has changed again, this time another color, the font stuff and new options to change the panels.

And a new screenshot:

current.th.png

Subtle showing improved panels, updated colors and the power of subtle. smile

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#63 2009-07-27 04:28:27

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

I like it. I think I will switch to this over echinus/dwm/xmonad/awesome when I reinstall.

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#64 2009-07-27 07:47:19

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

jellywerker wrote:

I like it. I think I will switch to this over echinus/dwm/xmonad/awesome when I reinstall.

You're welcome! and don't hesitate to ask if you have problems, either here or in #subtle on freenode. Maybe the others nice guys there can help if I am not around. smile

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#65 2009-08-10 10:11:09

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

subtle0811.th.png

The latest subtle, a lot changed like customizeable panel and pixmaps in comparison to the current subtle package in AUR. I will update it this evening, after I fixed the spacing of pixmaps in the panel. smile

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#66 2009-08-14 03:46:16

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How do you configure sublets?

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#67 2009-08-14 04:50:38

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efleming969 wrote:

How do you configure sublets?

What do you mean? Everthing you need is in the wiki:

http://unexist.scrapping.cc/projects/su … ki/Sublets
http://unexist.scrapping.cc/projects/su … ki/Install

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#68 2009-08-14 13:51:06

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

Will Subtle be availible for sixty-four-bit?


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#69 2009-08-14 14:17:16

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

Wintervenom wrote:

Will Subtle be availible for sixty-four-bit?

subtle-hg works fine under x86_64 I just found no time to update the subtle pkgbuild, will try to do this this evening.

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#70 2009-08-14 14:23:36

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

I needed to restart X not just reload subtle config.

Thanks

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#71 2009-08-14 14:50:04

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efleming969 wrote:

I needed to restart X not just reload subtle config.

Thanks

subtler can load sublets that are in the search path (usually $XDG_DATA_HOME/subtle/sublets) of subtle like this:

subtler -sa sublet.rb

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#72 2009-09-02 20:42:47

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

I finally updated the subtle package to close the huge gap between subtle and subtle-hg. There are so many things that have changed, if you have any problems just ask here or in #subtle on freenode and/or check the wiki. smile

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#73 2009-09-06 23:27:42

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

promising project unexist, i will give it a try some time this week. smile

(aka find-back-post wink)


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#74 2009-09-07 06:51:39

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litemotiv wrote:

promising project unexist, i will give it a try some time this week. smile

(aka find-back-post wink)

You are welcome. smile

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#75 2009-09-07 10:17:00

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Re: subtle - another tiling window manager

just gave it a try and the first impression is nice, good job smile

here's two first things for request/feedback:

- since most laptops don't have a numpad, would it be an idea to allow setting gravity the same way as window-focus, but with a modifier? for instance:

W-Left = Focus left
W-S-Left = Move gravity left ( 3 > 2 > 1 )
W-S-Down = Move gravity down ( 1 > 4 > 7 )

(counting gravities from topLeft to bottomRight in the above example, topLeft = 1, which seems more logical)

- i use feh to set a background image, i can see it through my semi-transparant urxvt but empty views show the opaque background color set in subtle.rb. is there a way to have subtle not paste it's background color on empty views?

that's it so far wink


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