ArchServer Project

fukawi2 · 2009-10-16 00:56:08

Here's a project for everyone who wants to use Arch as their Server distro!

I know there's been some attempts before at creating a 'stable' Arch, but this is subtly different in that it's aimed purely at servers -- eg, no GUI or desktop apps. ArchServer will focus on packages that provide hosting services of one type or another on top of a base system. Basically taking Arch and making a release-based version aimed at servers.

http://www.archserver.org

Initially just providing repositories, but hopefully eventually a full ISO/IMG installer etc depending on what talent is willing to join the team

Looking for skilled and interested people to join the team to try and get this project up and running so if this includes you, jump on the site and add your details to the wiki, or send me an e-mail. I'm still getting my head around the whole git thing, so bear with me on that

Regarding the website design -- yes, it's obviously based strongly on the ArchLinux site. Looking at the source code in git, this site is released under GPL, so the ArchServer website is also GPL'ed, and I think appropriate credit has been given. http://projects.archlinux.org/?p=archweb_pub.git;a=tree

Input appreciated.

smartboyathome · 2009-10-16 01:49:00

If you'd also be able to port it to arm so that it could work with the sheevaplug, I'd be in! At the moment, though, my server runs on one such computer, and can't run arch.

Allan · 2009-10-16 02:04:38

Your first bug report is awesome! Anyway, I am always willing to help out by answering questions but not actually doing anything...

BTW, I would consider kernel26-lts as your base kernel rather than 2.6.30. It is being maintained long term by upstream.

Ghost1227 · 2009-10-16 04:07:47

I'm in What do you need?

fukawi2 · 2009-10-16 04:27:01

Package Maintainers
Coders to backport security patches
A website designer -- especially if you can hack mediawiki to fit with the rest of the site. I failed miserably at that, obviously!
Contributions to the wiki, especially input for the "Packages" page: http://www.archserver.org/wiki/index.php/Packages

Probably more that I haven't even thought about

Allan - I consider it a very serious issue, so it was only fair to create a new task in the bug tracker to keep track of progress

smartboyathome - I don't have any arm devices so personally I can't port it....

Ghost1227 · 2009-10-16 04:38:39

I can pretty much do all of the above

AndyRTR · 2009-10-16 04:57:16

1) I may give suggestions and hints, no time for real work.
2) go with LTS kernel
3) first discuss internally about your future upgrade path. rolling (behind Arch) or in what timefrime you want to bump your core pkg set. that will be important how to build your base pkg set and installation media.
4) you will need cups, lighttpd and other stuff as well.
5) do you want to support media servers? (mpd, myth,...)

go and ask the arch-stable project people to work with you. there's a special irc channel.

just some ideas. good luck.

-Andy

dannytatom · 2009-10-16 05:09:18

Hopefully this one gets more traction than the others have, as I've been wanting this for a while. My only real suggestion/input at the moment is that providing repositories should be enough. I don't really see a need for an installer/ISO/etc, but maybe I'm missing something.

Oh, and I might be able to host a mirror sometime soon, and was wondering what kind of of HD space/bandwidth/etc I would need to set aside.

Oh again, in package versions someone listed PHP 5.2 with the reasoning being "5.3 causes many problems with lots of web apps, mainly due to depreciation warnings." I don't use PHP, so I could be wrong, but deprecation warnings shouldn't break anything, they're only giving you a heads up to make changes to your code before the next version is released.

Last oh, start an IRC channel.

sand_man · 2009-10-16 05:28:35

I'd like to help package.

fukawi2 · 2009-10-16 05:29:45

Sounds good Ghost - shall I create a git repo for mediawiki for you?

AndyRTR wrote:

2) go with LTS kernel

Wiki updated.

AndyRTR wrote:

3) first discuss internally about your future upgrade path. rolling (behind Arch) or in what timefrime you want to bump your core pkg set. that will be important how to build your base pkg set and installation media.

This question is on the wiki, pending input from others.

AndyRTR wrote:

4) you will need cups, lighttpd and other stuff as well.

Added to wiki.

AndyRTR wrote:

5) do you want to support media servers? (mpd, myth,...)

Personally no, but I guess if someone wants to write and maintain PKGBUILD's for them, then I guess they could be included. If nothing else, everything will remain compatible with standard Arch so packages can be mix and matched.

AndyRTR wrote:

just some ideas. good luck.

Thanks

dannytatom wrote:

Hopefully this one gets more traction than the others have, as I've been wanting this for a while. My only real suggestion/input at the moment is that providing repositories should be enough. I don't really see a need for an installer/ISO/etc, but maybe I'm missing something.

Me too
The only problem I can see if if someone installs from the standard Arch ISO, then switches to the ArchServer repos, they will most likely already have packages several versions ahead of what is in the repo (eg, if ArchServer has kernel26-lts 2.6.27, a standard Arch install at the moment will give the user 2.6.30 IIRC). The user will have to manually downgrade everything.

dannytatom wrote:

Oh, and I might be able to host a mirror sometime soon, and was wondering what kind of of HD space/bandwidth/etc I would need to set aside.

No idea at the moment. But add your name/contact to the wiki page and when/if we get to that stage it would be good to have someone else to host

dannytatom wrote:

I don't use PHP, so I could be wrong, but deprecation warnings shouldn't break anything, they're only giving you a heads up to make changes to your code before the next version is released.

Correct that they shouldn't break anything, but erring on the side of caution, there shouldn't be anything that *requires* 5.3 at this point in time so better to stick with 5.2 IMHO. A future release will include 5.3 once all the webapps etc have had a chance to 'catch up'

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fukawi2 · 2009-10-16 05:37:01

sand_man wrote:

I'd like to help package.

Can you add yourself to the wiki, or shoot me an e-mail?
fukawi2@archserver.org

mikesd · 2009-10-16 05:44:45

fukawi2 wrote:

I know there's been some attempts before at creating a 'stable' Arch, but this is subtly different in that it's aimed purely at servers -- eg, no GUI or desktop apps.
ArchServer will focus on packages that provide hosting services of one type or another on top of a base system.

Sounds like a good idea. Good luck.

Ghost1227 · 2009-10-16 05:56:58

fukawi2 wrote:

Sounds good Ghost - shall I create a git repo for mediawiki for you?

Please

tomk · 2009-10-16 05:58:20

smartboyathome wrote:

If you'd also be able to port it to arm so that it could work with the sheevaplug, I'd be in!

Uhmm.. missing the point there, smartboy. Try this:

I'm in, and I'd like to be work on the arm port!

Check out the existing Arch ARM project at archmobile.org.

fukawi2 · 2009-10-16 06:27:40

Ghost1227 wrote:

fukawi2 wrote:
Sounds good Ghost - shall I create a git repo for mediawiki for you?
Please

http://github.com/ArchServer/wiki

Thanks mikesd

Andrwe · 2009-10-16 06:29:10

I've taken a look to your site and you should change the link to your wiki because if you click it on the startpage you'll get the installation page of mediawiki.

sand_man · 2009-10-16 06:40:21

Andrwe wrote:

I've taken a look to your site and you should change the link to your wiki because if you click it on the startpage you'll get the installation page of mediawiki.

I just noticed that too. It was ok earlier.
Better fix it asap

fukawi2 · 2009-10-16 07:22:51

Whoops, told you I was still getting used to this git thing

fukawi2 · 2009-10-16 07:48:41

dannytatom wrote:

Last oh, start an IRC channel.

Done. #ArchServer on Freenode.

AndyRTR · 2009-10-16 08:41:40

fukawi2 wrote:

dannytatom wrote:
Last oh, start an IRC channel.
Done. #ArchServer on Freenode.

there's already #arch-stable

Allan · 2009-10-16 08:48:46

AndyRTR wrote:

fukawi2 wrote:
dannytatom wrote:
Last oh, start an IRC channel.
Done. #ArchServer on Freenode.
there's already #arch-stable

Didn't that dies of a long time ago? Their mailing list certainly had last time I checked.

dannytatom · 2009-10-16 08:50:32

last time i checked out #arch-stable it was dead. :<

.:B:. · 2009-10-16 09:32:20

I can be your spelling checker

Frontpage says 'derivitive' where it should say 'derivative'

On a more serious note, I applaud your effort, and I will follow it. For now I can't contribute anything more than my sharp spelling natzi eye...

keenerd · 2009-10-16 10:18:53

B wrote:

my sharp spelling natzi eye...

This is the most hilarious time to misspell something.

.:B:. · 2009-10-16 10:21:45

Don't want to spoil the fun, but it's intentional

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