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#1 2005-02-01 12:22:40

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Board organisation

this has been discussed before but couldn't we remove a few headers in the forum?

here are a few examples:

Announcements: Could be merged with Arch Discussion
Board Discussion: Could be merged with Arch Discussion
Documentation Discussion: Could be merged with Arch Discussion
Security Advisories: Could be merged with Networking, Server and Security
Installation: Could be merged with Newbie Corner

What do you say?


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#2 2005-02-01 12:40:34

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Re: Board organisation

Announcements: Could be merged with Arch Discussion
Board Discussion: Could be merged with Arch Discussion
Documentation Discussion: Could be merged with Arch Discussion

I agree with the above.

Security Advisories: Could be merged with Networking, Server and Security

Quite like there being a separate security advisories forum. I say keep it.

Installation: Could be merged with Newbie Corner

I say keep Installation, and get rid of Newbie corner. I think it's then better to expect users (new or experienced) to post to the appropriate group. So, a newbie problem with X and an "experienced" problem with X should both be in the same forum, rather than the newbie one being in Newbie Corner. (Does that make sense?!)

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#3 2005-02-01 15:29:27

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Re: Board organisation

good that someone else thinks the same as me, it's hard to know which place to look when you are in a hurry,
maybe it's better to start from the top with the urgent stuff also,

Example.

Arch Problems
· Installation
· Workstation
· Multimedia
· Kernel
· Server

Arch Packaging
· Pacman
· Making Packages

General
· Arch Discussion
· Linux Discussion
· Security Advisories
· Off Topic


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#4 2005-02-01 20:59:38

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Re: Board organisation

what is the difference between arch discussion and linux discussion? Talk on this forum about linux, would most likely be related to arch. If not, then it might be better served being in off topic.

and...Arch problems is kind of negative. Maybe.."Arch Help" would be better. I also think a seperate section for networking help would be good. Networking could be associated with either workstation, or server, or installation, so it makes sense to split it out.

Arch Help
· Installation
· Workstation
· Server
· Laptop
· Networking
· Multimedia
· Kernel/Hardware

Arch Packaging
· Pacman
· new and requested packages
· Making Packages

General
· Arch Discussion
· Security Advisories
· Off Topic


"Be conservative in what you send; be liberal in what you accept." -- Postel's Law
"tacos" -- Cactus' Law
"t̥͍͎̪̪͗a̴̻̩͈͚ͨc̠o̩̙͈ͫͅs͙͎̙͊ ͔͇̫̜t͎̳̀a̜̞̗ͩc̗͍͚o̲̯̿s̖̣̤̙͌ ̖̜̈ț̰̫͓ạ̪͖̳c̲͎͕̰̯̃̈o͉ͅs̪ͪ ̜̻̖̜͕" -- -̖͚̫̙̓-̺̠͇ͤ̃ ̜̪̜ͯZ͔̗̭̞ͪA̝͈̙͖̩L͉̠̺͓G̙̞̦͖O̳̗͍

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#5 2005-02-01 21:22:27

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Re: Board organisation

that  looks great cactus, maybe you and rasat can fix it,

there is also "laptop" and "other languages" , I think we can ditch both of those,
laptop issues could go under other topics and other languages are not very likely to get help here,

this will bring us down to 12 from 21,


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#6 2005-02-01 21:26:28

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Re: Board organisation

i think laptop was a recent addition to fulfill a requested need. It might be nice to keep it around.
*shrug*
What do other people think about this?


"Be conservative in what you send; be liberal in what you accept." -- Postel's Law
"tacos" -- Cactus' Law
"t̥͍͎̪̪͗a̴̻̩͈͚ͨc̠o̩̙͈ͫͅs͙͎̙͊ ͔͇̫̜t͎̳̀a̜̞̗ͩc̗͍͚o̲̯̿s̖̣̤̙͌ ̖̜̈ț̰̫͓ạ̪͖̳c̲͎͕̰̯̃̈o͉ͅs̪ͪ ̜̻̖̜͕" -- -̖͚̫̙̓-̺̠͇ͤ̃ ̜̪̜ͯZ͔̗̭̞ͪA̝͈̙͖̩L͉̠̺͓G̙̞̦͖O̳̗͍

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#7 2005-02-01 21:34:32

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Re: Board organisation

yes, that's ok to keep laptop, there are a few specific problems with those, acpi and wireless,


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#8 2005-02-01 21:38:01

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Re: Board organisation

Where to post pkgbuilds now? "Making packages" isn't realy appropriate, what about its own forum for that, "Packages"? (With a sticky on top explaining AIR, AUR, what will be, what would be and what should be. ;-)

And keeping kernel/hardware issues one thread may be good.

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#9 2005-02-01 21:47:59

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Re: Board organisation

cactus wrote:

what is the difference between arch discussion and linux discussion? Talk on this forum about linux, would most likely be related to arch. If not, then it might be better served being in off topic.

very good idea, ditch "linux discussion" and dump the threads in "off topic" ,

and maybe there should be a "new and requested packages",


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#10 2005-02-02 04:22:22

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Re: Board organisation

I sugest we do this discussion/planning with the help of wiki.
http://wiki2.archlinux.org/index.php/BoardSuggestion

We are dealing with 60,000 posts and to merge/move any forum is not a problem but once done its difficult to redo. Example, earlier we had Multimedia forum and was merged with Workstation. The Workstation got too many types of topic and now Multimedia is back.... but all old topics are still in Workstation. To move them among 5,600 topics, will take time.

Keep in mind, this forum is not only for you (current users) but also for new users who come after you expecting to find solution to their questions with the help of browsing and search.
This forum is also a media (PR) presenting the public what Arch does and can do.

In wiki when adding a new forum also include a short description.

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#11 2005-02-02 08:24:41

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Re: Board organisation

You could start with the following merges (I consider them safe):

Linux Discussion -> Off-Topic (LD is low-traffic, no problem here)
Newbie -> Installation
Making Packages -> Pacman (these two are really related, they should be together)

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#12 2005-02-02 09:06:40

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Re: Board organisation

I agree with the first two, the last one I do not.
I think those should remain seperate.


"Be conservative in what you send; be liberal in what you accept." -- Postel's Law
"tacos" -- Cactus' Law
"t̥͍͎̪̪͗a̴̻̩͈͚ͨc̠o̩̙͈ͫͅs͙͎̙͊ ͔͇̫̜t͎̳̀a̜̞̗ͩc̗͍͚o̲̯̿s̖̣̤̙͌ ̖̜̈ț̰̫͓ạ̪͖̳c̲͎͕̰̯̃̈o͉ͅs̪ͪ ̜̻̖̜͕" -- -̖͚̫̙̓-̺̠͇ͤ̃ ̜̪̜ͯZ͔̗̭̞ͪA̝͈̙͖̩L͉̠̺͓G̙̞̦͖O̳̗͍

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#13 2005-02-02 09:36:03

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Re: Board organisation

You could be right, so I'm stripping my list:

Linux Discussion -> Off-Topic (LD is low-traffic, no problem here)
Newbie -> Installation

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#14 2005-02-03 17:04:41

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Re: Board organisation

you can start with those two Vicious said,
and fix a new theme if you can, the current one is boring,  tongue


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#15 2005-02-03 19:33:05

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Re: Board organisation

It doesn't really matter; not everybody will be happy with the results no matter what. This discussion will always come up again and again. Same as GUI pacman. tongue

I could never figure out what the difference between 'package configuration' and 'making packages' was. wink

There will always be a Newbie Corner forum. 'No stupid questions here' is important for a lot of users!

Dusty

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#16 2005-02-04 02:35:17

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Re: Board organisation

Dusty wrote:

I could never figure out what the difference between 'package configuration' and 'making packages' was. wink

Seems like "Package Configuration Problems"  should merge with "      Workstation User"

Workstation User:
Setting up Arch as a workstation, post your problems here. Package install and configure, and issues about printing and mounting.

Package Configuration Problems:
Problems setting up apache, vsftpd, php, bind, etc etc..

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#17 2005-02-04 13:31:26

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Re: Board organisation

How about having a "Package Upgrade Conflict" forum? There has been talks having a "roll-back" system whenever an upgrade fails, but oldtimers prefer instead to check the forum before upgrading. A forum for this would help.

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#18 2005-02-04 20:04:13

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Re: Board organisation

rasat wrote:

Seems like "Package Configuration Problems"  should merge with "      Workstation User"

Workstation User:
Setting up Arch as a workstation, post your problems here. Package install and configure, and issues about printing and mounting.

Package Configuration Problems:
Problems setting up apache, vsftpd, php, bind, etc etc..

There is some duplication there, perhaps, but all the listed projects (apache, vsftpd, php, bind) should actually probably go into Networking, Server, and Security. However, the contents of Package Configuration should probably be divided between this and Workstation, since a lot of workstation packages go there. What say, Rasat? (you da boss smile)

Dusty

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#19 2005-02-05 19:27:17

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Re: Board organisation

the version in the wiki looks pretty good now,
it makes sense to start with installation and workstation from the top,
that's the most urgent matters,

how is it going with the theme Dusty? You've been working on it for years now, must be a bloody good looking one when it's done,   big_smile


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#20 2005-02-05 20:39:16

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Re: Board organisation

xerxes2 wrote:

how is it going with the theme Dusty? You've been working on it for years now, must be a bloody good looking one when it's done,   big_smile

lost interest.  8)

Will probably be losing interest in bbs.archlinux.org soon too.... just not my kind of talk

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#21 2005-02-06 14:03:10

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Re: Board organisation

I see, well it's the same for me, arch just works so there is not so much to post about,
I've been coding instead,
ftp program, frontend for mplayer and editor, all written in pygtk,

you said you were looking for a ftp klient to kde,
python got built-in ftplib so you can pretty easy write one yourself,
I don't know anything about pyqt but I think it is working atleast,


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#22 2005-02-08 09:28:45

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Re: Board organisation

Dusty wrote:

Will probably be losing interest in bbs.archlinux.org soon too.... just not my kind of talk

Its understandable when Arch has matured and there are no longer problems requiring long discussion. Now its more about usage and helping new users to get into Arch. For oldtimers there is not much to do when there are many willing to share/help with their first experience.

It was expected, therefore I took interest in the user contributions to keep focusing in programming and have a place to discovering new things.
http://user-contributions.org/forums/userproject/
http://user-contributions.org

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#23 2005-02-08 19:36:53

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Re: Board organisation

I haven't seen that site before rasat, pretty good idea,


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#24 2005-02-22 10:34:43

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Re: Board organisation

What do you all think, will this do? If I missed something, please let me know.
http://wiki2.archlinux.org/index.php/BoardSuggestion

Once we agree, I will forward the layout to mods discussion.

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#25 2005-02-22 11:21:04

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Re: Board organisation

I like the new structure.

One small point: I'd move the Package Upgrade out of General and maybe to Arch Help.

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