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#201 2010-02-02 15:00:20

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Agreed, awesome work everyone!

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#202 2010-02-02 16:15:13

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Allan wrote:

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!

I have managed to get the toolchain completely cross compiled.  That means we can start natively compiling soon.

Woah, well done big_smile

Near one month to go from idea to bootable system with toolchain smile

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#203 2010-02-02 16:35:12

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

This is surprisingly exciting!
You may not see it but I'm sure many people are following your progress.

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#204 2010-02-02 17:45:57

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

I haven't read especially much about hurd, but it's definitely cool that you got this working!

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#205 2010-02-02 17:56:37

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Big hug!!!

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#206 2010-02-02 18:08:03

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

I'd also like to help. Is the Install page up to date?

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#207 2010-02-02 18:11:41

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Giselher wrote:

I'd also like to help. Is the Install page up to date?

*checks*

Nope, but it should still work for the latest tarball. However, Allan has yet to put the new and wonderful scripts online (I'll make any necessary changes to the installing page then), so if I were you I'd wait for that.

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#208 2010-02-02 18:24:50

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Barrucadu wrote:
Giselher wrote:

I'd also like to help. Is the Install page up to date?

*checks*

Nope, but it should still work for the latest tarball. However, Allan has yet to put the new and wonderful scripts online (I'll make any necessary changes to the installing page then), so if I were you I'd wait for that.

Okey, I will wait for your changes.

EDIT: Couldn't wait tongue. It is compiling now and i hope it will work. Is there a way to do this with Virtualbox instead of Qemu?

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#209 2010-02-02 20:44:18

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

It took me 20 minutes to enter the commands in grub, because i am not used to the english keyboard layout, to only get an hurd panic
bildschirmfotoqemu.png

It should be possible to change the menu.lst outside of hurd, shouldn't it?

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#210 2010-02-02 20:48:40

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You entered the command line for /hurd/ext2fs.static wrong, it's normal, not curly, brackets around the "task-create" and "task-resume" at the end of the command line:

module /hurd/ext2fs.static --multiboot-command-line=${kernel-command-line} --host-priv-port=${host-port} --device-master-port=${device-port} --exec-server-task=${exec-task} -T typed ${root} $(task-create) $(task-resume)

Also, the /lib/ld.so.1 line, too, that has normal brackets:

module /lib/ld.so.1 /hurd/exec $(exec-task=task-create)

If you install GRUB to the Hurd partition using the GRUB command line, you can mount it and edit the menu.lst file by hand, then you don't need to do all of this typing every time.

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#211 2010-02-02 21:52:28

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Barrucadu wrote:

You entered the command line for /hurd/ext2fs.static wrong, it's normal, not curly, brackets around the "task-create" and "task-resume" at the end of the command line:

module /hurd/ext2fs.static --multiboot-command-line=${kernel-command-line} --host-priv-port=${host-port} --device-master-port=${device-port} --exec-server-task=${exec-task} -T typed ${root} $(task-create) $(task-resume)

Also, the /lib/ld.so.1 line, too, that has normal brackets:

module /lib/ld.so.1 /hurd/exec $(exec-task=task-create)

If you install GRUB to the Hurd partition using the GRUB command line, you can mount it and edit the menu.lst file by hand, then you don't need to do all of this typing every time.

Thank you it works now without typing every time. I could rewrite the ./scripts/grub file for an easier grub installation, because the files are in /lib/grup/i386-pc which should be in /boot/grub. Also a menu.lst has to be handwritten and placed in /boot/grub.

menu.lst

timeout   5
default   0
color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue

# (0) Arch Hurd
title  Arch Hurd
root   (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/gnumach 
module (hd0,0)/hurd/ext2fs.static --multiboot-command-line=${kernel-command-line} --host-priv-port=${host-port} --device-master-port=${device-port} --exec-server-task=${exec-task} -T typed ${root} $(task-create) $(task-resume)
module (hd0,0)/lib/ld.so.1 /hurd/exec $(exec-task=task-create)
qemu -boot a -fda grub.img -hda hurd.img -net nic,vlan=1 -net user,vlan=1

In the grub command line

root (hd0,0)

setup (hd0)

After that this should work

qemu -hda hurd.img -net nic,vlan=1 -net user,vlan=1


EDIT:
One more problem
with this i get a kernel panic (panic: Debugger invoked, but there isn't one)

kernel /boot/gnumach

but with this it says it doesn't exists. Maybe this has to be renamed?

kernel /boot/gnumach  root=device:hd2s1 -s

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#212 2010-02-02 22:06:44

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Giselher wrote:

EDIT:[/b] One more problem
with this i get a kernel panic (panic: Debugger invoked, but there isn't one)

kernel /boot/gnumach

but with this it says it doesn't exists. Maybe this has to be renamed?

kernel /boot/gnumach  root=device:hd2s1 -s

It should be root=device:hd0s1 (assuming it's the first partition on the first disk). Disk numbering starts from 0, and partition numbering from 1.

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#213 2010-02-02 22:20:07

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Barrucadu wrote:
Giselher wrote:

EDIT:[/b] One more problem
with this i get a kernel panic (panic: Debugger invoked, but there isn't one)

kernel /boot/gnumach

but with this it says it doesn't exists. Maybe this has to be renamed?

kernel /boot/gnumach  root=device:hd2s1 -s

It should be root=hd0s1 (assuming it's the first partition on the first disk). Disk numbering starts from 0, and partition numbering from 1.

I tried it, but doesn't work either, hurd says Gratuitous error and with root=device:hd0s1 i get an error about disk size is to small

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#214 2010-02-02 22:28:10

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Giselher wrote:

I tried it, but doesn't work either, hurd says Gratuitous error and with root=device:hd0s1 i get an error about disk size is to small

This one: http://allanmcrae.com/hurd/hurd-superblock.png ?

Sorry, not sure what to do. A few people have had that error but I haven't been able to reproduce it.

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#215 2010-02-02 22:35:42

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Barrucadu wrote:
Giselher wrote:

I tried it, but doesn't work either, hurd says Gratuitous error and with root=device:hd0s1 i get an error about disk size is to small

This one: http://allanmcrae.com/hurd/hurd-superblock.png ?

Sorry, not sure what to do. A few people have had that error but I haven't been able to reproduce it.

Yes this one.

But now i use:

kernel /boot/gnumach -s

and get this one

bildschirmfotoqemu1.png

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#216 2010-02-03 00:40:59

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The answer to the size problem (given on one of the hurd mailing lists and untested...) is:

To make it simple, I'd advise running mkfs again, giving it 261048
(i.e. 1069254144/4096) as number of blocs.

Ah, that's why. The partitioning is limited to cylinders, i.e. it rounds
down your partition a bit, here I get

/dev/loop0p1               1         130     1044193+  83  Linux

which is not exactly like linux' loop device size
   7        0    1048544 loop0

So you indeed need to give mke2fs the proper size by hand.

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#217 2010-02-03 08:01:02

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Allan wrote:

The answer to the size problem (given on one of the hurd mailing lists and untested...) is:

To make it simple, I'd advise running mkfs again, giving it 261048
(i.e. 1069254144/4096) as number of blocs.

Ah, that's why. The partitioning is limited to cylinders, i.e. it rounds
down your partition a bit, here I get

/dev/loop0p1               1         130     1044193+  83  Linux

which is not exactly like linux' loop device size
   7        0    1048544 loop0

So you indeed need to give mke2fs the proper size by hand.

It works now. big_smile
I didn't think that i would run hurd earlier on my computer than bsd smile

I will write a manual how to install grub on hurd.

edit:
Filesystem is readonly

edit2: i forgot to fsysopts / --writeable

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#218 2010-02-03 09:11:56

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Giselher wrote:

I will write a manual how to install grub on hurd.

Shall I set up a wiki on archhurd.org so soon? smile

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#219 2010-02-03 09:20:30

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Barrucadu wrote:
Giselher wrote:

I will write a manual how to install grub on hurd.

Shall I set up a wiki on archhurd.org so soon? smile

Writing some manuals are to only thing i can do now.

I have to read how hurd works and what translators are and so on. sad

EDIT:
Is there something like a rc.local file on hurd or how do we make an rc.local file?

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#220 2010-02-03 09:32:54

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Giselher wrote:

Is there something like a rc.local file on hurd or how do we make an rc.local file?

Not really, but that is something we deal with later on...  we have much to do before then.

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#221 2010-02-03 09:36:29

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

So what can i do to help?

EDIT: I am testing a few things but every time it says "No such file or directory"

EDIT2: I am trying to get SysVinit running but it says /sbin/init doesn't exists also /sbin/reboot halt poweroff shutdown

EDIT3: I solved the problem. I forgot to enter i568-gnu-pc

EDIT4: Doesn't work either. I guess i have to wait for the native compiler sad. But i found a few things out about the boot process.

/hurd/init
    |
     ––> /hurd/auth
    |
     ––> /hurd/proc
    |
     ––> /libexec/runsystem
                |
                ––> /libexec/rc
                |        |
                |        ––> /sbin/syslogd
                |        |
                |        ––> /sbin/inetd
                |
                ––> /libexec/runttys <- (/etc/ttys)

I hope this will help you.

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#222 2010-02-03 16:37:16

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So, Allan, feel like sharing the latest version of your wonderful cross-hurd scripts with us? tongue

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#223 2010-02-03 18:54:36

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Hello everybody. I found ArchHurd today (I use ArchLinux). I´m a beginner in the programming world, but I´d help in everything I can. Seems great idea make real a GNU System with a Hurd kernel, specially if it´s in Arch way tongue.
Well, I´ll try to boot ArchHurd this night smile.
(Sorry about my english)

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#224 2010-02-03 19:38:16

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coolkaine wrote:

Hello everybody. I found ArchHurd today (I use ArchLinux). I´m a beginner in the programming world, but I´d help in everything I can. Seems great idea make real a GNU System with a Hurd kernel, specially if it´s in Arch way tongue.
Well, I´ll try to boot ArchHurd this night smile.
(Sorry about my english)

The most problems are bash related.
You should google for a spanish bash tutorial.

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#225 2010-02-04 00:54:20

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Barrucadu wrote:

So, Allan, feel like sharing the latest version of your wonderful cross-hurd scripts with us? tongue

Soon.   At the moment, it is successful at building everything (+1) but does not fully boot (-1).   there must be something I am missing.  I am going to do one more rebuild today and the will post whatever I have.

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