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#1 2010-01-04 03:27:41

Barrucadu
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The Arch Hurd Project

I'm currently compiling this and hope to have at least a basic system up and running in a few hours time big_smile

I've been interested in GNU/Hurd for a while but for some reason never thought to try it out. Anyway, I might see if pacman will work happily on it and, if so, package everything up (unpackaged files seem messy, somehow…) and, if people really care, stick them online somewhere for others to play with.

I'll stick to free software only on it; it seems wrong using the GNU operating system with the GNU kernel and nonfree stuff tongue

edit: Subject change by request of Acecero.

Last edited by Barrucadu (2010-01-04 21:15:13)

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#2 2010-01-04 03:29:31

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

I had a Hurd cross compiler on my system and started an "Arch Hurd" out of shear boredom...  pacman works fine from (with some patching) memory and there were very little issues with other base packages.

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#3 2010-01-04 03:32:02

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

"Arch GNU/Hurd", now there's a fun sounding idea...

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#4 2010-01-04 11:25:34

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Well...  I pulled out my old Hurd cross compiler PKGBUILDs today.  They need adjusting (cvs->git transition, libpthreads has been split etc), but that should not take too long.

If people are interested in getting a very minimal "Arch Hurd" up and running, I think building enough from the base group to get a booting image would be possible without too much hassle (but a lot of time...). CLFS will cover most of the steps needed.  From there it is relatively easy to make packages with makepkg/pacman for a final system.

So if people wanted to start an Arch Hurd, I will update my cross compilers and make the packages/PKGBUILDs available and we can start setting up a wiki to document the progress cross compiling to a bootable system. I could see this being an interesting waste of time! tongue

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#5 2010-01-04 12:14:48

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Man, we are very interested.

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#6 2010-01-04 12:43:29

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Do it!

I've just spent nearly 10 hours (I did sleep for a few hours in the middle whilst things were compiling…) trying to get a bootable Hurd install, I couldn't even get Debian GNU/Hurd running…

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#7 2010-01-04 16:15:28

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Allan wrote:

I could see this being an interesting waste of time! tongue

Aren't they all?


Allan-Volunteer on the (topic being discussed) mailn lists. You never get the people who matters attention on the forums.
jasonwryan-Installing Arch is a measure of your literacy. Maintaining Arch is a measure of your diligence. Contributing to Arch is a measure of your competence.
Griemak-Bleeding edge, not bleeding flat. Edge denotes falls will occur from time to time. Bring your own parachute.

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#8 2010-01-04 19:17:13

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Did Allan add a bit to much bourbon and brandy to his eggnog this season? smile

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#9 2010-01-04 19:53:51

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Due to his PKGBUILDs Allan may soon be able to break things in multiple operating systems smile

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#10 2010-01-04 20:06:59

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

inb4rmsbashing


Personally, I'd rather be back in Hobbiton.

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#11 2010-01-04 20:28:42

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Would there be a way to switch the Linux kernel to Hurd on a current Arch Linux installation without the need to cross compile a minimal Arch Hurd system?

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#12 2010-01-04 20:43:28

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Skripka wrote:

Did Allan add a bit to much bourbon and brandy to his eggnog this season? smile

Bourbon... yes!  tongue

Anikom15 wrote:

inb4rmsbashing

Is not allowed...

Acecero wrote:

Would there be a way to switch the Linux kernel to Hurd on a current Arch Linux installation without the need to cross compile a minimal Arch Hurd system?

No, much like you can't just switch to the BSD or even windows kernel...


Anyway, I will work on getting the cross-compilers working over the next couple of days (probably not until the weekend...) and will post them here.  Then this mad experiment can start!

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#13 2010-01-04 21:03:35

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Allan wrote:

I will work on getting the cross-compilers working over the next couple of days (probably not until the weekend...) and will post them here.  Then this mad experiment can start!

Sounds good. I look forward to it.

@Barrucadu: Would you consider changing the topic title to "The Arch Hurd Project"?

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#14 2010-01-04 21:15:57

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

@Acecero: Done.

*goes off to start a wiki page*

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#15 2010-01-04 21:18:59

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Great!

*expects a link to the wiki*


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#16 2010-01-04 21:23:38

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Not much there yet, as we don't have much except the promise of some PKGBUILDs tongue

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Hurd_Project

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#17 2010-01-04 21:42:53

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Hmmm....   now I need to come through on the promise of a working cross compiler! tongue

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#18 2010-01-04 21:44:03

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Yes, or we hunt you down and smother you in your sleep. big_smile

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#19 2010-01-04 21:55:27

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Barrucadu wrote:

Yes, or we hunt you down and smother you in your sleep.

O_o  !!!  At least smiley face that!  tongue

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#20 2010-01-04 22:01:31

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Allan wrote:

Hmmm....   now I need to come through on the promise of a working cross compiler! tongue

*wiki update*

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#21 2010-01-04 22:05:37

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Allan wrote:

O_o  !!!  At least smiley face that!  tongue

Better? tongue

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#22 2010-01-05 01:39:19

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

This seems to be sparking more interest than Arch/FreeBSD. I don't care, I'm happy to have new toys to play with big_smile


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#23 2010-01-05 01:52:47

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

This has to go to Community Contributions. Why hide the coolness?

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#24 2010-01-05 02:45:11

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Barrucadu wrote:

Not much there yet, as we don't have much except the promise of some PKGBUILDs tongue

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Hurd_Project

This could be the start of something neat...how much of Hurd actually works right now anyway?  I.e. internet via say elinks or something like (I'm not expecting wireless), amd64 instructions, etc?

If Arch Hurd gets off the ground, what are the odds I can still get Opera and Flash to work? wink

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#25 2010-01-05 03:23:09

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Re: The Arch Hurd Project

Skripka wrote:

what are the odds I can still get Opera and Flash to work? wink

Opera and flash in Gnu/Hurd? Oh man now you made me sad. sad

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