[SOLVED] 2010.05 images do not ´see´ my CDROM after initial boot.

chris_debian · 2010-05-22 05:53:09

Hi, all.

I was pleased to see the new release images of 2010.05 appearing. I thought i´d try a fresh install, but on my 800mhz machine, the installer could not see the IDE CDROM on the second part of the booting process. I get the Arch menu and then when the installer looks for the CDROM to install Arch, it waits for 30 seconds and then can´t find it. Obviously the CD is readable because it booted initially. I´m guessing that whichever modules are loaded for this bit of the install, it hasn´t loaded the one I need. I can confirm that the latest cut of Debian Squeeze does not have this problem.

Can anyone help?

Thanks,

Chris.

Last edited by chris_debian (2010-05-23 07:51:23)

demian · 2010-05-22 06:40:38

You could just use the previous image.

chris_debian · 2010-05-22 12:05:55

Thatś a good workaround, but I had the same problem with all later Arch images. I workaround is good, but fixing it is better. Iḿ guessing Iḿ not the only person in the world that´s using an older machine with an IDE CDROM.

Thanks for the idea.

Chris.

hokasch · 2010-05-22 12:51:37

As I understand it, you can't boot into the live system at all?
There was an optional "IDE legacy" boot option on previous images, not sure where it's gone/what it contained. Can you boot from USB? the unoffical archboot images may be worth a try as well.

chris_debian · 2010-05-22 14:08:21

hokasch wrote:

As I understand it, you can't boot into the live system at all?
There was an optional "IDE legacy" boot option on previous images, not sure where it's gone/what it contained. Can you boot from USB? the unoffical archboot images may be worth a try as well.

Hi, hokasch!

Iĺl have a look at the installer and specifically for the IDE option you mention. Unfortunately my BIOS doesn´t support booting from USB. Unofficial archboot images? Can you tell me more?

I didn´t try to boot into the LIVE system as I wanted to do an install, not just use the LIVE environment, but I´ll boot the disk and see whether I can do that.

Thanks,

Chris.

hokasch · 2010-05-22 14:14:20

You start the installer from the booted live system, afaik the IDE option is not there anymore. Archboot:
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=97527

How much RAM does your machine have?

chris_debian · 2010-05-22 14:43:36

Hi,

Just retried the installation medium. I kept getting the prompt saying ´Waiting for 30 seconds´ presumably for the CDROM to settle. This didn´t happen. I couldn´t get beyond this, so no LIVE environment. I was able to edit the boot option by using the TAB key, but didn´t know what to append for IDE.

I have approximately 1.4Gb of RAM.

Thanks,

Chris.

Ashren · 2010-05-22 14:50:12

Try appending "cdrom=ide-cd" to the kernel line.

It's a shot in the dark, but give it a try.

chris_debian · 2010-05-22 15:22:27

Ashren wrote:

Try appending "cdrom=ide-cd" to the kernel line.
It's a shot in the dark, but give it a try.

I´d love to try that, but the keyboard mapping is so screwed-up, I am unable to input the string. Booting the start of the installation should really not be this difficult; Im going to have a break for a bit. I´ll be using a boot floppy, next!

Cheers,

Chris.

brain0 · 2010-05-22 17:37:46

chris_debian wrote:

Hi, all.
I was pleased to see the new release images of 2010.05 appearing. I thought i´d try a fresh install, but on my 800mhz machine, the installer could not see the IDE CDROM on the second part of the booting process. I get the Arch menu and then when the installer looks for the CDROM to install Arch, it waits for 30 seconds and then can´t find it. Obviously the CD is readable because it booted initially. I´m guessing that whichever modules are loaded for this bit of the install, it hasn´t loaded the one I need. I can confirm that the latest cut of Debian Squeeze does not have this problem.
Can anyone help?

There are a few IDE controllers that are not supported properly yet by the new Linux libata subsystem. In old images, we offered an option to use the old "ide" subsystem instead of libata, support for that has been removed.

However, I doubt that you have one of the very few controllers that still don't work with libata. There is no way to tell unless you provide more details about your hardware - specifically, the mainboard chipset and/or ide controller.

A stupid, yet possible workaround: Write the image to USB too. Boot from the CD and have the USB inserted at the same time. It will start booting from the CD, but mount the file system from the USB afterwards and keep running from there.

chris_debian · 2010-05-22 17:59:21

Hi,

I didn't know about libata; I'll do some research. Do you know whether an Arch image exists that was pre-libata? If so, I'll install that.

Cheers,

Chris.

chris_debian · 2010-05-22 18:05:22

I should have said, I'm not sure what Debian use, but I can boot with all images that they use.

Chris.

brain0 · 2010-05-22 18:22:14

The old 2009.08 images still support ide. But if you use it, the installer will fail to do some necessary adjustments automatically.

As for determining what is being used:

$ lsmod|grep -e ide[-_]core
$ lsmod|grep libata
libata                131808  1 ahci
scsi_mod              128242  4 sr_mod,sg,sd_mod,libata
$

chris_debian · 2010-05-22 18:48:29

Thanks for your reply. I just booted Crunchbang Linux (Debian based distro) andgot the following:

lsmod|grep -e ide[-_]core

ide_core               63850  3 ide_gd_mod,ide_pci_generic,via82cxxx

and

lsmod|grep libata

libata                114180  1 ata_generic
scsi_mod              101069  1 libata

Not sure whether that helps?

Thanks,

Chris.

chris_debian · 2010-05-23 07:51:05

This image does boot:

ftp://mirrors.uk2.net/pub/archlinux/iso/2009.02/

Many thanks,

Chris.

Dieter@be · 2010-05-23 08:41:14

you call this solved? resorting to images more then a year old..

chris_debian · 2010-05-23 09:11:08

I'm aware of the age. In an ideal world, i'd like the current release to be engineered to boot on my hardware, but I don't know whether that's possible. The initial problem was that I couldn't boot the Arch media, I can at least boot something now.

If you know a way to do this more elegantly, I'd be interested.

Thanks,

Chris.

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