KDE SC 4.5 beta 1 cucumber is out - i am excited as hell!

AaronD · 2010-06-03 06:30:12

Does anyone know if 4.5 handles backgrounds across multiple monitors properly?

Labello · 2010-06-03 10:45:33

what do u mean? what is exactly in this context?

Edit:
i got twinview enabled and for every screen i can choose another wallpaper

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AaronD · 2010-06-03 19:19:19

That isn't the way I want it to work. I want to stretch one background across both of my monitors.

Adriano ML · 2010-06-04 07:36:25

split it into two images...

may be a little inconvenient, but still easy

AaronD · 2010-06-04 21:24:59

I did. It isn't the right way though.

flamelab · 2010-06-04 21:28:08

Ι'm REALLY frustrated by the fact the Powerdevil in KDE 4.5 won't use Cpufreq for powersaving ... and CPU is ondemand governor all the time.

dhave · 2010-06-05 05:26:35

KDE SC 4.5's tiling is nice -- just right for certain applications. I'm already wondering how I got by before without it.

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kokoko3k · 2010-06-05 06:41:44

Is it possible in kde4.5 to have different panels on each activity?
on 4.4 panels are global.

Labello · 2010-06-05 14:13:09

what is this activity-stuff all about anyway!? i don't get what it is supposed to be and what i should use it for... everything i found is just some explanation of simple technical features... not some explanation on how to integrate this into a daily workflow...

mythus · 2010-06-05 18:25:58

Greetings,

The activities is supposed to provide a more integrated way of dealing with assignment workspaces, ie, different virtual desktops, but so much more. Activities if flexible that you can use them as simply virtual desktops where you can assign different wallpapers, plasmoids, and different programs to only open on them.

However you can also use activities to simulate different environments altogether, each with their own virtual desktops. In this way, for example, you should be able to manage your web based activities in the activity you name as web, were different web tools, plasmoids, and such can be managed to open in different virtual desktops. You can do the same in another activity, for example, work activity, where your work based applications and plasmoids (stock and such I guess) on different virtual desktops.

If I recall, though I admit I never tried this, you should be able to apply different window manager themes and I think different plasma themes altogether for separate activities.

Think of activities as just another tool to allow you to set up your environment the way you desire, with the ability to instantly change your set up based on the type of activity you wish to pursue. In this way you can have your bland and boring environment to concentrate on work and school and a kicking attractive environment for web surfing or play. That is, at least the idea behind it all as far as I can tell, and can be useful to those who like to categorize their life and computing needs into different activity groups. It could be useful also to the person who uses their laptop for work and for play, giving him a different environment for both so that while at work he can concentrate on work. There may be even more to this though than I am aware of, and maybe I am missing the mark altogether, but to me it seems interesting, though at the moment I haven't put it to use yet.

As for the different panels on each activity, I do not know. I swore I read the activities developer's blog on this and that it wasn't working yet or it was working... I can't really recall. However I think that you can instead assign what plasmoids show up on your existing panels in what activity, even if you can't yet have different panels altogether. It would be something to test out.

toxygen · 2010-06-05 20:54:31

in other words, if you have multiple personalities, each personality can now have it's own customized activity!

j/k

it does sound like that though

I keep trying to find a reason to use activities and multiple virtual desktops, and i have yet to find one. Dont get me wrong, i used to have 4 desktops all set up as you describe, but in the last few years I keep just the one open desktop with everything I need. I love kde, and I love seeing what activities can do, and I know more things are on the way. for me at the moment, it's really like the desktop cube, pretty eye candy that i never use.
having said that, i love plasma-netbook and it's setup with the different pages/activities. Now *that* is a good use of activities...

toad · 2010-06-05 21:03:10

Mythus put it better than I could...

I used different activities when they first came out, but they weren't really all that mature at that stage. Now kokoko3k's question really hits the nail on the head - different panels would be the absolute killer on top of different wallpapers and plasmoids!

Personally I'd have a web-cruising activity, one for arch and arch related things, obviously work which would be a no distraction kind of straight forward desktop, a music activity and a system one as well. That is for starters - all a keystroke away

flamelab · 2010-06-06 02:53:27

Ι'm STILL the only one frustrated about Powerdevil ?

toad · 2010-06-06 05:54:26

@ flamelab - perhaps you're the only one experiencing this problem? Powerdevil works fine on my laptop incl. cpu frequ scaling. So what is not working at your end?

The only thing that does annoy me is that it doesn't show time left but only a battery percentage. I've asked about this over at kde forums and been told that it will be addressed at some stage - time permitting of course (they were even nice enough to encourage me to have a go and I did. Let's say no more about it...).

flamelab · 2010-06-06 06:24:27

toad wrote:

@ flamelab - perhaps you're the only one experiencing this problem? Powerdevil works fine on my laptop incl. cpu frequ scaling. So what is not working at your end?
The only thing that does annoy me is that it doesn't show time left but only a battery percentage. I've asked about this over at kde forums and been told that it will be addressed at some stage - time permitting of course (they were even nice enough to encourage me to have a go and I did. Let's say no more about it...).

To clarify: I did an upgrade, not a clean install (I used my previous .kde4 directory). After the upgrade, I experience that : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=240485

That means, the CPU is "ondemand" only.

I can't find this in KDE 4.5 powerdevil:

(that's from KDE 4.4.4)

In KDE 4.5, there is only a checkbox with "Enable System power saving" next to it. Just this.

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toad · 2010-06-06 07:55:08

Ah, for some stupid reason I assumed that this applied to 4.4 as well, not only the beta 1 of 4.5... Thanks for pointing it out.

SpeedVin · 2010-06-07 17:41:37

Someone tested konqeror on webkit engine?
If yes how it works?

Skripka · 2010-06-07 17:50:24

SpeedVin wrote:

Someone tested konqeror on webkit engine?
If yes how it works?

You've been able to use Webkit with Konqueror wince KDE4.3 or earlier.

Grab Rekonq or Rekonq-git off AUR, Rekonq is a lightweight webkit browser with FULL KDE integration...and a better set of web browsing features than Konqueror. It is also in active development, and just plain runs better....unlike Konqueror which is basically abondonware at this point.

If you want to try Konqueror with Webkit go on AUR and grab:

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=34417

And under "View" in Konqueror select Webkit. You can also make Webkit default rather than KHTML if you want.

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SpeedVin · 2010-06-07 17:59:51

Skripka wrote:

SpeedVin wrote:
Someone tested konqeror on webkit engine?
If yes how it works?
You've been able to use Webkit with Konqueror wince KDE4.3 or earlier.
Grab Rekonq or Rekonq-git off AUR, Rekonq is a lightweight webkit browser with FULL KDE integration...and a better set of web browsing features than Konqueror. It is also in active development, and just plain runs better....unlike Konqueror which is basically abondonware at this point.
If you want to try Konqueror with Webkit go on AUR and grab:
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=34417
And under "View" in Konqueror select Webkit. You can also make Webkit default rather than KHTML if you want.

Thanks.
I know Rekonq well, and use it but I wanted to check how Webkit works in Konqeror because there were some changes in the release shipped with 4.5
Anyway Thanks again...
I will check out this package from AUR.

Skripka · 2010-06-07 18:09:46

SpeedVin wrote:

Thanks.
I know Rekonq well, and use it but I wanted to check how Webkit works in Konqeror because there were some changes in the release shipped with 4.5 :)
Anyway Thanks again...
I will check out this package from AUR.

I'd love it Konqueror got some dev attention. However there hasn't been much noticeable improvement to it since KDE4 came out. That being said-there is work scheduled to try to bring Konqueror up to par with Rekonq:

http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.5_Feature_Plan

That being said Beta2 is supposed to be tagged Wednesday this week for release....and with those Konqueror items still being "TO DO" items as of today-I doubt we'll see them in KDE4.5

Adriano ML · 2010-06-08 01:05:39

flamelab wrote:

toad wrote:
@ flamelab - perhaps you're the only one experiencing this problem? Powerdevil works fine on my laptop incl. cpu frequ scaling. So what is not working at your end?
The only thing that does annoy me is that it doesn't show time left but only a battery percentage. I've asked about this over at kde forums and been told that it will be addressed at some stage - time permitting of course (they were even nice enough to encourage me to have a go and I did. Let's say no more about it...).
To clarify: I did an upgrade, not a clean install (I used my previous .kde4 directory). After the upgrade, I experience that : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=240485
That means, the CPU is "ondemand" only.
I can't find this in KDE 4.5 powerdevil:
http://omploader.org/tNGlrOA
(that's from KDE 4.4.4)
In KDE 4.5, there is only a checkbox with "Enable System power saving" next to it. Just this.

when you do cpufreq-info do you see the ondemand governor listed?

search for this line:
available cpufreq governors: {list of governors}

if you don't see it, you must load modules like this:
modprobe cpufreq_ondemand
of course, put it in your rc.conf...

flamelab · 2010-06-08 01:08:45

The Cpufreq modules etc are properly loaded. KDE 4.5 powerdevil is problematic OR they changed it that way in purpose -> http://osdir.com/ml/kde-devel/2010-03/msg00108.html

It's maybe the first time I'm that frustrated by a move done by the KDE devs. REMOVING features due to ... users' .... supposable .... stupidity, is not their behaviour upon KDE.

That one + the removal of "X" buttons on plasmoid on "Add Widgets" bar.

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toasty_ghosty · 2010-06-08 09:59:45

Hm. What are the first things I do with a new KDE install..

Install openbox so I can have tiling..
Install firefox is I can use a better browser than Konq,

What did KDE do? Make the perfect DE.

clutch · 2010-06-18 14:37:28

Tiling looks really good, and I'll probably try it out for a day just for the hell of it. I highly doubt it will replace my beloved DWM-sprinkles though.

I think I'll give it another week or so though, for stability's sake. Has anyone tried it yet? Is it stable enough to at least play around with?

mythus · 2010-06-18 15:48:15

I have been playing around with it. It hasn't yet replaced pekwm for my critical operating space (read: for work), because of an odd issue that I am trying to track down. Basically, ever so often I have had my computer completely lock down into a hard freeze, where nothing but a manual pressing of the power button relieves the computer of this. I have yet to determine what is causing this, is it a bug with compositing, is something else going on that I am not aware of, etc. One thing I can say is that it never happened in kde 4.4, gnome, e17, or pekwm. Once I can more clearly figure out what is causing it, I plan to search for a bug report, and if not found, file one.

As I don't make much use of tiling, I haven't played with that aspect yet. I can tell you though that besides the freezing, the system seems to run a little faster and smoother than before. I am definitely liking the new window decoration management over the old 4.4 one, even though it does basically the same thing. the Get Stuff system is also greatly improved, even allowing you to go to website if the item you are trying to download, be it an icon theme, window decoration, etc, is really just a link to another site or whatever.

One thing that I found kind of disappointing was konqueror. I thought that, when I read that you could now use webkit in it, that webkit was not a selectable engine. Instead it looks much like the same, where you have to download the kpart-webkit, and can select it in view for webpages. This is just like it always has been, doesn't work really well (crashes on gmail for example), and is a bit of a let down for me.

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