HAL deprecated?

soulfire · 2010-04-29 05:33:03

ok so, maybe I'm missing something here... I'm using xorg 1.8 from testing and gnome 2.30 but there is no way I can get rid of hal. gnome-vfs seems to still depend on it and half of my gnome desktop (panel, terminal, applets ecc) depend on gnome-vfs. so? need to wait till this packages get updated not to use gnome-vfs anymore or what?

ammon · 2010-04-29 10:58:29

smakked wrote:

I am now hal free, had to drop thunar for Pcmanfm2 (pcmanfm-git) it works well

How do you automount? It did not worked for me without hal.

scio · 2010-04-29 14:33:13

ammon wrote:

How do you automount? It did not worked for me without hal.

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ude … SB_devices

MindTooth · 2010-05-03 14:54:23

Using the new Nautilus which does not depend on HAL, auto-mounts the devices as far as I can tell.

grim147 · 2010-05-03 16:21:41

Strange , why did they decided to kick hal anyway ?

flamelab · 2010-05-03 16:41:03

grim147 wrote:

Strange , why did they decided to kick hal anyway ?

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … 51#p735851
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … 96#p732296

mandog · 2010-05-03 23:22:29

What this no hal in Ubuntu 10.04 its installed on mine by default?

blasse · 2010-05-04 09:32:15

mandog wrote:

What this no hal in Ubuntu 10.04 its installed on mine by default?

Maybe because Ubuntu has removed HAL from startup daemons?

MkFly · 2010-05-24 04:38:48

I like the idea of being HAL-less, but I like Thunar even more. I'll probably make the move to xorg 1.8 when Thunar 1.1.0 (and its deps) makes it into the official repos.

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nstoyanov · 2010-05-24 10:55:51

MkFly wrote:

I like the idea of being HAL-less, but I like Thunar even more. I'll probably make the move to xorg 1.8 when Thunar 1.1.0 (and its deps) makes it into the official repos.

Me too. I am a little worried that the development of Xfce is going very slowly, though... We might have to postpone Xorg 1.8 for a while.

tomk · 2010-05-24 13:09:38

You can install xorg 1.8 whenever you want, and still keep hal - 1.8 no longer uses hal, but it doesn't conflict with it either.

Gusar · 2010-05-24 13:10:22

Err, guys, why are you connecting these things together? You're not forbidden to run xorg-1.8 and HAL (for the purposes if thunar) at the same time, you know.

MkFly · 2010-05-30 06:25:25

Well, if the big draw of xorg 1.8 is the ability to run without HAL, and yet I still need it for Thunar, I don't really see the need for me to upgrade right away, since xorg 1.8 is still in testing. Which is why I think I'll just wait until I don't actually need HAL anymore.

archman-cro · 2010-05-30 06:32:47

I don't need all this stuff at all. It's perfect for me with HAL. But we'll see how will all of this end. Hope it'll work ok (sure, if I get everything done correctly ).

Radioactiveman · 2010-06-21 13:00:13

Now, because Xorg18 hit the repositories, I tried to remove hal. I read Gnome doesn't need hal no more but Pacman said gnome-vfs needs it.
As a test I removed it with -Rd and in rc.conf, after a reboot I got a working screen but no gnome-panel ...
With hal it works again like before, so hal is still needed at least in my case. ;(

Inxsible · 2010-06-21 13:03:29

Radioactiveman wrote:

Now, because Xorg18 hit the repositories, I tried to remove hal. I read Gnome doesn't need hal no more but Pacman said gnome-vfs needs it.
As a test I removed it with -Rd and in rc.conf, after a reboot I got a working screen but no gnome-panel ...
With hal it works again like before, so hal is still needed at least in my case. ;(

Read the thread about xorg 18 in the testing forums. Just because xorg doesn't need HAL, doesn't mean that nothing else needs it. It is deprecated, yes. but it takes time to port all the applications over.

In any case Gnome does not use gnome-vfs, it uses gvfs (which does not need HAL). But gnome-vfs is considered a dependency for gnome-panel because it has simply not been removed from the dependency list yet.

Cookie · 2010-06-21 14:01:35

For me at the moment only thing that requires Hal are pcmanfm and pulseaudio, Hal isn't listed as a dependency in the pulseaudio installation however the pulseaudio daemon doesn't start without it. It keeps looking for hal daemon. Until these 2 are fixed I'm stuck with hal >.<

Inxsible · 2010-06-21 14:42:28

Cookie wrote:

...... Until these 2 are fixed I'm stuck with hal >.<

All in good time

Nepherte · 2010-06-21 16:03:27

Cookie wrote:

For me at the moment only thing that requires Hal are pcmanfm and pulseaudio, Hal isn't listed as a dependency in the pulseaudio installation however the pulseaudio daemon doesn't start without it. It keeps looking for hal daemon. Until these 2 are fixed I'm stuck with hal >.<

Pulseaudio does not need hal to work, you can rely on udev instead. You need to adapt your configuration file however. Depending on whether you work on a per-user base or on a system-wide base, you have to adapt /etc/pulse/default.conf or /etc/pulse/system.pa respectively:

### Automatically load driver modules depending on the hardware available
.ifexists module-udev-detect.so
load-module module-udev-detect
.else
### Alternatively use the static hardware detection module (for systems that
### lack udev support)
load-module module-detect
.endif

NSB-fr · 2010-06-21 18:06:50

I was just curious to see if it was possible to easily (read "without using a custom Xorg") get rid of HAL. Now xorg 1.8 is in extra, the last package dependant from HAL for me was gnome-vfs.

After abs'ing extra/gnome-vfs and tweaking a bit the PKBUILD I managed to get a gnome-gvfs-nohal package that ... does not depend on HAL (damn, did you guess it by the name of it ?). I am using it right now (with HAL removed from the system) and here is what I found so for:

- Needed to install explicitly consolekit and eject that have been removed by the "pacman -Rs hal"
- Gnome: any gnome apps I tested so far is working correctly.
- Automounting: Any USB drive or CD inserted into the PC get automounted

Any idea of what may not work running gnome-vfs without HAL support ?

Inxsible · 2010-06-21 18:17:37

NSB-fr wrote:

.Any idea of what may not work running gnome-vfs without HAL support ?

As long as you have the gvfs (replacement for gnome-vfs) you should be fine. gvfs does not have HAL as a dependency.

NSB-fr · 2010-06-21 18:46:24

I was missing the point that gnome-vfs is not gvfs and also what is gvfs... Now I understand why all is running fine.

Thanks for the fast answer

Ape · 2010-06-21 19:45:36

Seems that libgnome requires both gvfs and gnome-vfs. And libgnome is required by gnome-terminal for example.

Cookie · 2010-06-21 20:21:56

Nepherte wrote:

Cookie wrote:
For me at the moment only thing that requires Hal are pcmanfm and pulseaudio, Hal isn't listed as a dependency in the pulseaudio installation however the pulseaudio daemon doesn't start without it. It keeps looking for hal daemon. Until these 2 are fixed I'm stuck with hal >.<
Pulseaudio does not need hal to work, you can rely on udev instead. You need to adapt your configuration file however. Depending on whether you work on a per-user base or on a system-wide base, you have to adapt /etc/pulse/default.conf or /etc/pulse/system.pa respectively:
### Automatically load driver modules depending on the hardware available
.ifexists module-udev-detect.so
load-module module-udev-detect
.else
### Alternatively use the static hardware detection module (for systems that
### lack udev support)
load-module module-detect
.endif

Thanks, I already had those but the pulseaudio daemon in /etc/rc.d/ had entries for hal to look for it and if not started to start it, I replaced hal with dbus and it works now

sultanoswing · 2010-06-21 20:50:55

Dave Bowman: "Open the gnome-panel window please HAL"

HAL: "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."

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