XFCE 4.8 - getting broken more and more

Behemot · 2011-01-26 10:25:10

I just noticed few weird things after upgrading to XFCE 4.8. Not only problems, it finally detects both of my displays (the built-in in NTB and also the external CRT) and I can choose the resolution on both of them. Maybe next time I'll be even able to choose whether to clone or extend the Desktop :-D

But there are some thigs:
1. I cannot find recycle bin, not even on panel in Thunar what leads me to an idea something more serious happened to him :-)
2. session saving does not seem to be working, if I left some programs opened when logging of, they are not opened any more when I log on again.

Did you encountered that as well? If so, could you help me a little bit:-)

Last edited by Behemot (2011-01-27 23:06:25)

Velophile · 2011-01-26 10:41:23

Hi, you need gvfs for the recycle bin to work, if you've not already got it.

No idea on the session saving, I don't use it, all I can suggest is maybe it's turned itself off?

Behemot · 2011-01-26 11:08:58

Nice, trash is there, thanks :-)

As for the sessions, I tried to turn the saving of and on again in settings, but it still behaves the same way. But, could it have soemthing in common with the gvfs? I'll try logging off and report back…
ADD// nah, no change. Also when I have VLC window maximized, it does not want to log off at all, weird.

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Behemot · 2011-01-26 12:58:28

Another broken thing: xarchiver uses whatever the crap wants to open files (images, videos…) from archives, usually Firefox (WTF?) no matter what I have set in XFCE.

Behemot · 2011-01-27 13:43:47

The session thing starts to be annoying: it totally broke my windows so I have replaced the xfce folder in .config under my home directory with the working one from root home directory. It was working until next try to log off: it hanged, when I tried to reach the log-off button, it said some kind of error than after a while X shut down. Now windows are broken again, window manager option don't want to open.

/ADD the session saving seems to not be working even for root, it just stucks for a while and then the X shut down.

/ADD2: manually started xfwm4, don't know why it did not run on the first place. I also hope it will start next time :-)

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Inxsible · 2011-01-27 14:57:49

That's part-n-parcel of using a rolling release distro. Sometimes the updates are not as clean. Arch requires its users to be able to fix things in case of breakage.

Alternatives like Debian and Ubuntu exist so that you can continue with using a distro without major breakage.

KimTjik · 2011-01-27 15:13:29

If you upgraded from a previous version of XFCE, some issues related to sessions can be corrected by removing old XFCE directories in ~/.cache/.

Miles28 · 2011-01-27 15:22:01

You can also wait for two or three weeks before upgrading certain groups of applications. Look at your /etc/pacman.conf file.

zippy · 2011-01-27 18:33:04

Behemot wrote:

The session thing starts to be annoying: it totally broke my windows so I have replaced the xfce folder in .config under my home directory with the working one from root home directory. It was working until next try to log off: it hanged, when I tried to reach the log-off button, it said some kind of error than after a while X shut down. Now windows are broken again, window manager option don't want to open.
/ADD the session saving seems to not be working even for root, it just stucks for a while and then the X shut down.
/ADD2: manually started xfwm4, don't know why it did not run on the first place. I also hope it will start next time :-)

And did you set the permissions correctly if copied from the root home? Why not just delete ~/.config/xfce4 ? It will start you with a fresh default desktop that you can remodify accordingly instead of messing with stuff from the root's home.

Do you use .xinitrc or a login manager?

.xinitrc without a login manager -

if test -z "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS"  ; then
    eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session`
    export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
fi
export GTK2_RC_FILES="$HOME/.gtkrc-2.0"
export DE=xfce
exec ck-launch-session startxfce4

Zero issues ever, except for the initial gvfs miss that should be a depend and not an optdepend.

BTW, thunar-archive-plugin + file-roller works well. IMHO xfarchiver is garbage.

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Behemot · 2011-01-27 22:25:02

zippy wrote:

And did you set the permissions correctly if copied from the root home? Why not just delete ~/.config/xfce4 ? It will start you with a fresh default desktop that you can remodify accordingly instead of messing with stuff from the root's home.

I think I changed the ownership of all files to me, isn't that sufficient. I'll try with the deletion. I din't do so because of fear it would do even more harm :-)

zippy wrote:

Do you use .xinitrc or a login manager?

I'd say neither one. I login into console and have line as folows in my bash_profile:

if [[ -z "$DISPLAY" ]] && [[ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ]]; then
. startxfce4
logout
fi

It's good when something goes wrong - I just log in using another tty.

As for the xarchiver or Thunar, sounds promising. Can it handle rar? Anyway, I'll try later, should've learn to my tomorrows exam but I was dealing with one guy and his problems with live mail (M$ shines again). As for now, I am trying to make Thunar mount devices under non-root user account. There is something about this on forum, I'll report when I'll have troubles :-)

Inxsible wrote:

That's part-n-parcel of using a rolling release distro. Sometimes the updates are not as clean. Arch requires its users to be able to fix things in case of breakage.
Alternatives like Debian and Ubuntu exist so that you can continue with using a distro without major breakage.

Well I want to learn and the true is, this way I learn fastest. As for Ubuntu, that's garbage; I tried Server, it's as I like it - tabula rasa, not Ubuntu loaded with GBs of stuff I have to remove anyway; but it was not able to run any graphical enviroment on my notebook. So I picked up Arch, I like it up to time. You're not glad having another user spreading good name of Arch? I think more users means bigger repository, be happy:-D

Thanks for your replies up to time.

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ngoonee · 2011-01-27 22:58:38

@Behemot - while I appreciate that you're frustrated, the maintenance of our packages is done by volunteer devs/TUs. While your tone has been civil throughout the thread, can I request that you change the title to better reflect your questions (and to remove the impression that you're just ranting).

Behemot · 2011-01-27 23:11:59

No prob, I just wanted to do it now anyway :-)

I've encountered a thread abour the Thunar archive plugin, it's being told to not work after upgrade to newest version (1.2.0.1 I think) so I probably won't use it now.

But my problem (let's hope the final one for XFCE 4.8, indeed it's good step from 4.6) is with mounting disks as it is discussed here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=875571. I believe the /etc/pam.d/login of mine is already fixed but I still get the message. Do I have to be in some special group for mounting, e.g. like there is the power group?

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skunktrader · 2011-01-27 23:16:18

storage?

Behemot · 2011-01-27 23:20:22

I tried flash disk and SD card (integrated reader).

skunktrader · 2011-01-27 23:36:28

Is your user in group "storage" ?

Behemot · 2011-01-27 23:47:48

I've add myself, no change. Gonna sleep, better to try later :-)

zippy · 2011-01-27 23:48:43

Behemot wrote:

No prob, I just wanted to do it now anyway :-)
I've encountered a thread abour the Thunar archive plugin, it's being told to not work after upgrade to newest version (1.2.0.1 I think) so I probably won't use it now.
But my problem (let's hope the final one for XFCE 4.8, indeed it's good step from 4.6) is with mounting disks as it is discussed here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=875571. I believe the /etc/pam.d/login of mine is already fixed but I still get the message. Do I have to be in some special group for mounting, e.g. like there is the power group?

It was updated a few days ago and works fine now. And rar works, even multiple volumes.

It sounds like you are having consolekit issues wih everything you have been describing. I see that https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_Boot says it will register with consolekit but it just sounds like it isnt from all the issues youve been having. If you feel like trying new things, install gdm or use the xinitrc method to startx xfce and see if you still have issues.

Behemot · 2011-01-28 00:17:14

Well most of this things work under root so I'd say problem is somewhere else. I could try, but are you sure it is not wasting of time? Some people report problems even with .xinitrc, there is thread about greyed power of and restart buttons. It is OK when being logged as root so…only saving sessions don't work anywhere for me now, the rest just under user.

brebs · 2011-01-28 07:08:58

The XFCE devs are fixing bugs in git, currently.

zippy · 2011-01-28 07:44:31

Behemot wrote:

Well most of this things work under root so I'd say problem is somewhere else. I could try, but are you sure it is not wasting of time? Some people report problems even with .xinitrc, there is thread about greyed power of and restart buttons. It is OK when being logged as root so…only saving sessions don't work anywhere for me now, the rest just under user.

Of course they work in root, you're root.
If installing one daemon to test user function is wasting time than im sorry.

Behemot · 2011-01-28 10:31:25

So using xinit I can not only shut down and restart, but also sleep and hibernate. Fantastic! How can I make execution of .xinitrc automatic just after loging in?

However, still cannot mount memory card.

ADD// at least the buttons for sleep mode and hibernation are there; the first one even seems to be working good, the second one just shuts NTB down after a while (I notice journal recovering during another start so probably not nice process), under root it won't turn of, just all LEDs start blinking like crazy. But it does not matter, i don't NEED hibernation just now this could wait :-)

ADD2// I was hinking about the sessions; maybe the problem lays somewhere else, because under the sessions manager settings, I don't see programs like FIrefox or Thunderbird to be running. The behaviour during turning off indicates it - session manager do no see them so it could not kill them; after some time, they probably get sigterm But, by the time the session is still not saved, for that reason not even programs like xfwm are started next time (I have windows without windows than :-)) and I have to start it manually from console :-D

ADD3// found working way for running xinit, only this one works so far:

exec xinit ck-launch-session dbus-launch %session

in my .bash_profile

ADD4// one possible explanation for the delay during logging off - it says something about too long time for response from Qclipboard.

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