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#51 2005-04-12 22:11:41

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

try compiling it normally first (ie without distcc) and see if the errors continue.


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#52 2005-04-15 12:43:15

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

cactus wrote:

try compiling it normally first (ie without distcc) and see if the errors continue.

Disc-Devil is getting the error on various packages and he isn't using distcc.


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#53 2005-04-15 12:50:12

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

Looks like it isn't linked to libstdc++.so and/or libgcc. Sure it's compiled with g++ instead of gcc?

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#54 2005-05-23 22:50:32

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

w00t! there is a new mirror for the i586 ftp://xentac.net/i586

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#55 2005-09-01 18:30:26

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

Thanks for making the i586 distro! I'm pleased to announce that it runs on a 90MHz Pentium i586 PC!


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#56 2005-09-01 22:48:39

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wow,  i thought no one was using it anymore

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#57 2005-09-01 22:56:27

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

I'm still running it on two boxes! smile I should update the packages.


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#58 2005-09-01 23:34:23

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if you do update the package let me know and i can host them or mirror them

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#59 2005-09-01 23:52:12

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

yah i can mirror the i586 repo too. 5 gigs of space plus 40 gigs of bandwith for anonymous ftp/http


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#60 2005-09-02 07:28:48

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Oh, that's great! smile


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#61 2005-09-12 02:42:16

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

Disc-Devil wrote:

Very Important Notice

It has come to our knowledge, that glibc with 'linuxthreads' is technically impossible to build on i586...

I don't know if this is contradictory or not, but here is an excerpt from a recent Slackware changelog (Slackware is i486)

a/glibc-solibs-2.3.5-i486-5.tgz:  Recompiled against header files from
    linux 2.4.31 (linuxthreads version) and linux 2.6.13 (NPTL version).

So it at least seems possible to compile glibc with linuxthreads for i486.  The SlackBuild script for glibc can be found here for comparison.

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#62 2005-09-15 14:41:35

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Well, two members of our "team" have gone AWOL for quite some time: Disc-Devil and rjs. rjs was also the maintainer of the i586 project board, so I decided to make a new board. What good is an adminless board? wink

The new board is at http://marcosaxo.madoka.be/archi586. I'd like anyone who's got some knowledge about a porting project to go and visit it and post suggestions or useful information so we can make this project finally work.
Currently there are two threads and guests can reply in those, no need to register.


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#63 2005-09-15 15:46:07

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

Why is it i586 anyway? Doesn't that cover about 5 chips?  Why not do it as i386 and cover everything below i686?  I'm confused...

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#64 2005-09-15 16:10:13

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

dibblethewrecker wrote:

Why is it i586 anyway? Doesn't that cover about 5 chips?  Why not do it as i386 and cover everything below i686?  I'm confused...

Hmm, that's a good point. I dunno tho: I never heard of anyone wanting to install it on anything lower than i586.

Aren't i586 compiled packages supposed to run faster than i386 on i586 machines? Or is that still a Gentoo-myth?


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#65 2005-09-15 16:15:10

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

Well, yeah, but then they will ONLY run on a i586 machine and nothing lower - it just seems like a weird aim to me.  Take a really optimized distro and put loads of work into optimzing it again for one other architecture?!  Seems bizarre...And if people really want performance why are they running a i586?  If the aim is to open Arch up to more people why not open it up to i386 and i386 too?!

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#66 2005-09-15 16:44:24

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

dibblethewrecker wrote:

Well, yeah, but then they will ONLY run on a i586 machine and nothing lower - it just seems like a weird aim to me.  Take a really optimized distro and put loads of work into optimzing it again for one other architecture?!  Seems bizarre...And if people really want performance why are they running a i586?  If the aim is to open Arch up to more people why not open it up to i386 and i386 too?!

Then why is it i686 optimized? tongue


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#67 2005-09-15 16:54:08

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Cos i686 is the most common recent architecture?!

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#68 2005-09-16 16:20:54

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

I don't think it is that much work to build an Arch system from source optimized for i586.  It's time-consuming, and there are a handful of packages that cause problems, but most of the real "work" is already done by the package maintainers who write all the PKGBUILD scripts.

I'm currently building an Arch system from source for a VIA C3 machine that will be a fileserver/firewall/router.  I think it is worth the effort compared to just going with another distribution because I like the way Arch is laid out -- it is very simple to configure, customize, and keep up to date, and most of the grunt compiling can actually be done over on my P4 Arch system.

Asking "why do you want to do <insert project here>?" is pretty much the opposite of the open source / hacker philosophy.  If you have an itch and have the spare time to scratch it, go for it!

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#69 2005-09-17 14:54:30

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

loserMcloser wrote:

I'm currently building an Arch system from source for a VIA C3 machine that will be a fileserver/firewall/router.  I think it is worth the effort compared to just going with another distribution because I like the way Arch is laid out -- it is very simple to configure, customize, and keep up to date, and most of the grunt compiling can actually be done over on my P4 Arch system.

Aren't you building i586 packages then? Care to join us? smile


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#70 2005-09-21 03:29:16

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

FUBAR wrote:

Aren't you building i586 packages then? Care to join us? smile

I'm using

CHOST=i586-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS="-march=c3 -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"

I'm not sure, but I don't think -march=c3 is the same as -march=i586.  I think at first c3 was just an alias for i586, but these days the gcc man page says:

i586, pentium
     Intel Pentium CPU with no MMX support

c3
     Via C3 CPU with MMX and 3dNOW!  instruction set support.  (No scheduling is implemented for this chip.)

So I'm not sure my packages would be usable by the general i586 audience.

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#71 2005-09-21 20:28:33

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

well the C3 is kind of between i586 and i686

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#72 2005-09-22 06:08:05

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

I just download the two iso file from
http://genesis.blogdns.net/packages/i586/iso/.

But I found both without md5 checksum.
And when I try to use
mount -o loop xxx.iso /mnt
the /mnt 's content is empty.

So, I think the iso file is broken.
Is it broken?


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#73 2005-09-23 22:57:52

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

I personally have never tested the arch i586. I am just hosting it. I'll try it in vmware and see if it boots.

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#74 2005-09-24 15:03:26

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

syamajala wrote:

I personally have never tested the arch i586. I am just hosting it. I'll try it in vmware and see if it boots.

I use the ISO on 2004 http://archlinux.veloxis.de/i586/%20boot%20cdrom.
And binary repo on http://genesis.blogdns.net/packages/i586/.

unfortunely, I foudn the binary repo lack the most import package glibc.  That cause me can't do 'pacman -Syu' which will occurs following error.

grep: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by grep)


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#75 2005-09-24 23:30:51

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Re: Arch - i586 - Repo [Project Start]

try i586.archlinux.nl

this is the most up2date mirror

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