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#1 2012-10-17 14:50:04

Doorbreath
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Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

Now that we have systemd, which I believe does things like syslog and cron, will these packages be removed from base?

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#2 2012-10-17 15:17:46

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

Good suggestion, but posting to the forums offers little chance that the package maintainer will see it.  Open a bug report against the package for direct delivery wink

EDIT:  I'm guessing this won't happen until the official move to systemd but it never hurts to make a placeholder in the flyspray system.

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#3 2012-10-17 15:20:52

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

graysky wrote:

Good suggestion, but posting to the forums offers little chance that the package maintainer will see it.

Indeed. Closing...

graysky wrote:

EDIT:  I'm guessing this won't happen until the official move to systemd but it never hurts to make a placeholder in the flyspray system.

Yes we still haven't officially moved to systemd, so those packages will stay until initscripts stays. Also I would advice against opening phantom bugs or placeholder bugs. Open one when we actually move to systemd and if the dev hasn't removed the said packages from the base.


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#4 2012-10-17 19:14:40

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

This as already been done 2 days ago: https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit … 6a3046ead5

about cron is too early IMHO.

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#5 2012-10-17 22:16:54

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

reopened...


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#6 2012-10-17 22:27:25

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

Inxsible wrote:

reopened...

why?

If syslog-ng is removed from base shouldnt the same be done for logrotate? I dont think its capable of working with systemd's journal, is it?


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#7 2012-10-18 01:56:09

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

if syslog-ng is remover from base but not from core I think
but this need a new release of filesystem adding /var/log/journal

for chron is sooo early

and fedora want switch too aparently


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#8 2012-10-18 07:44:07

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

Same issue discussed on the fedora development mailing list:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermai … 72682.html


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#9 2012-10-18 10:39:10

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

Jristz wrote:

but this need a new release of filesystem adding /var/log/journal

done 46 hours ago: https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit … ec61a3f677


dolby wrote:

If syslog-ng is removed from base shouldnt the same be done for logrotate?

no, there're logs that are not handled by syslog (e.g. kdm.log)

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#10 2012-10-18 10:59:09

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

Inxsible wrote:

Yes we still haven't officially moved to systemd, so those packages will stay until initscripts stays.

Actually, we have. What does the word "official" mean in your context?

As far as I am concerned, cron will stay - systemd does not provide a full cron replacement and I don't think that is planned.

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#11 2012-10-18 20:20:40

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

brain0 wrote:
Inxsible wrote:

Yes we still haven't officially moved to systemd, so those packages will stay until initscripts stays.

Actually, we have. What does the word "official" mean in your context?

As far as I am concerned, cron will stay - systemd does not provide a full cron replacement and I don't think that is planned.

yeah I was corrected by Andrea in an earlier post, which is why I re-opened this thread.


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#12 2012-10-20 06:19:20

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

If logging is now done by systemd can I remove syslog-ng service?


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#13 2012-10-20 07:49:05

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

Mr Green wrote:

If logging is now done by systemd can I remove syslog-ng service?

If you want.

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#14 2012-10-20 13:36:26

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

Mr Green: More details found in man journald.conf. Search for syslog and be pleasantly surprised. smile


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#15 2012-10-20 13:51:53

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

I kept around syslong-ng for a while after switching.  Systemd being new territory for me, it seemes I should keep around familiar stuff until I deemed it not necessary.  But syslog-ng was one of the first things to go, since journalctl made it seem super redundant.

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#16 2012-10-20 14:03:23

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Re: Removing syslog-ng etc from base?

@fsckd must have read systemd wiki page wrong smile simply added syslog-ng service as I was going through my daemons in rc.conf thanks for the heads up


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